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Old 09-02-2008, 09:07 AM
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A few minutes from the beginning of this conversation, including the introductions, had to be edited out, which is why the diavlog begins with Ana's otherwise-puzzling introduction of her cat.

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Old 09-02-2008, 09:33 AM
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I'm loving the humor in this diavlog. This is my personal preference for political discussion. Disagree without being disagreeable. (Bob and Mickey do a good job of this too.)

On the grammar front, sometimes not correcting someone can be good, because they might be right. (To be fair though, Ana doesn't say actually say he's wrong, just that she is against the usage. It's really Matt who assumes that he's made a mistake.)
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Old 09-02-2008, 10:02 AM
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After watching about 14 minutes, and thinking of Kingfish's complaint about the Glenn and Josh diavlog, I'll say this: at least when two liberals talk, they talk about their concerns about their own candidate's shortcomings and the areas where they disagree with him. Matt Lewis is about as plausible as a McCain campaign spokesperson appearing on Fox News. Up next: Sarah Palin: A Great Pick or Greatest Pick Ever? He's a perfect illustration of why we call his outfit ClownHall.

I'll say this about the whole "experience" question, comparing Palin to Obama: Whether or not you think Obama gained anything from the first 40-odd years of his life that would help him to be a good president, there is no getting around the fact that he has spent the better part of the last two years immersed in the issues. He's been reading briefing books, consulting with and learning from experts, being challenged on his views by his own party, the other party, and the media, and he has not shown the slightest hint of being an intellectual lightweight. Agree with him or don't, but it's a crock to say he's not prepared at this point.

By contrast, everything Palin has said, that's been transcribed or caught on tape and posted to YouTube, indicates that she hasn't spent minute one thinking about anything outside the boundaries of Alaska. It should also be noted that as far as being an "executive" goes, there are numerous accounts out there that portray her as a "hands-off" governor who spent little time at the office, who left the bulk of the work and decision-making to her staff.

As for Ana Marie, her utter disrespect of the blogosphere is appalling. It's amazing how quickly she has become a Villager. Granted, there is all manner of noise out there, but there is also a wealth of informed opinion, on the right, on the left, and from all sorts of moderates, mavericks, and out-of-the-box thinkers, to boot. There's also been real reporting on stories the MSM missed, from Powerline's Rathergate exposé to TPM's breaking the story of the attorney firings scandal. I have a feeling she is judging the worth of the blogosphere mostly from the comments left under her own posts. And no matter where she's looking to form her misguided impressions, if she's sincere about them, then I wonder why she deigns to be on BloggingHeads.tv in the first place.

I'm going to give this diavlog a few more minutes, but it doesn't look good. This pair is making the babbling fools who covered the convention seem like sages in retrospect.

[Added] Just noticed it's only twenty minutes long. Thank Bob for small mercies.
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Old 09-02-2008, 10:45 AM
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After watching about 14 minutes, and thinking of Kingfish's complaint about the Glenn and Josh diavlog, I'll say this: at least when two liberals talk, they talk about their concerns about their own candidate's shortcomings and the areas where they disagree with him. Matt Lewis is about as plausible as a McCain campaign spokesperson appearing on Fox News. Up next: Sarah Palin: A Great Pick or Greatest Pick Ever?
I wonder sometimes whether this isn't a deliberate conservative strategy. When the left is willing to weigh pros and cons and the right focuses on the positive, it's kinda like putting your thumb on the scale.

However, I wouldn't want the left to start doing the same thing or it's just Crossfire. Hopefully conservatives can be found who are willing to make the same sort of analysis.

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As for Ana Marie, her utter disrespect of the blogosphere is appalling. It's amazing how quickly she has become a Villager. Granted, there is all manner of noise out there, but there is also a wealth of informed opinion, on the right, on the left, and from all sorts of moderates, mavericks, and out-of-the-box thinkers, to boot. I have a feeling she is judging the worth of the blogosphere mostly from the comments left under her own posts. And no matter where she's looking to form her misguided impressions, if she's sincere about them, then I wonder why she deigns to be on BloggingHeads.tv in the first place.
That was slightly odd. It's the kind of thing you'd expect from the MSM not BH.tv. Maybe it's a sort of self-effacing modesty. And it is true, as you say, that there is a lot of junk out there. But you'd think that she'd want the blogosphere to have more influence and impact, not less.

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Old 09-02-2008, 12:24 PM
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He's been reading briefing books, consulting with and learning from experts, being challenged on his views by his own party, the other party, and the media, and he has not shown the slightest hint of being an intellectual lightweight. Agree with him or don't, but it's a crock to say he's not prepared at this point.

You're kidding, right? By this standard, Adlai Stephenson should have easily trounced the guy who led the D-Day invasion both times he ran against him, but amazingly, that didn't happen! I agree that he is not an intellectual lightweight, but how much does that matter? I don't see the electorate caring about that as much as you do, whether that's good or not.

I agree that Palin's experience seems limited; she's a bit of blank slate at this point, but she's obviously fired up a campaign that seemed moribund up to this point. I think a debate with Biden will be the most interesting test, and where people's true feelings will emerge.
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Old 09-02-2008, 12:34 PM
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I'll say this about the whole "experience" question, comparing Palin to Obama: Whether or not you think Obama gained anything from the first 40-odd years of his life that would help him to be a good president, there is no getting around the fact that he has spent the better part of the last two years immersed in the issues. He's been reading briefing books, consulting with and learning from experts, being challenged on his views by his own party, the other party, and the media, and he has not shown the slightest hint of being an intellectual lightweight. Agree with him or don't, but it's a crock to say he's not prepared at this point.
You're kidding, right? By this standard, Adlai Stephenson should have easily trounced the guy who led the D-Day invasion both times he ran against him, but amazingly, that didn't happen! I agree that he is not an intellectual lightweight, but how much does that matter? I don't see the electorate caring about that as much as you do, whether that's good or not.
No, I wasn't kidding. And if you'll re-read, you'll see I wasn't talking about general electability, either. I was talking, here, about experience related to foreign policy.
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Old 09-02-2008, 12:41 PM
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Sorry, I'm not seeing the specific foreign policy references in the post.
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Old 09-02-2008, 01:01 PM
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Sorry, I'm not seeing the specific foreign policy references in the post.
You're right. I was thinking it, but wrote it in terms of experience in general. Same argument, though: you can add to foreign policy any domestic issues you like, and my point still stands -- Obama has spent the better part of the past two years immersed in preparation. Palin has not.
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Old 09-02-2008, 01:06 PM
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Sorry, I'm not seeing the specific foreign policy references in the post.
here is one of the first things google popped up: http://obama.senate.gov/press/070111-lugar-obama_non/

Please feel free to grab keywords like Foreign Relations Committee or non proliferation ... stuff like that. I mean I know Palin is going to toe-to-toe with the Ruuuuskies across the Bearing Strait and you know the Bearing Strait is dangerous as well so add "...defends America against subversive bodies of water.." to her resume as well but are we really ready to defend the fact that Obama has more experience in the private sector than Mccain.


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... I think a debate with Biden will be the most interesting test, and where people's true feelings will emerge.
This means what ??? If you don't mind being asked.

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Old 09-02-2008, 02:27 PM
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Sorry thou, I was just responding to a post I saw on Bloggingheads, and not going to Google, etc. I'm being chastised for not reading something that wasn't written and then told to go look up policy issues. Put in the post, or drop it. On Bloggingheads, I tend to just want to respond to the dialog between the speakers.

This means what ??? If you don't mind being asked.

Not at all. For most people, even Palin's fans, a debate would go a long way to showing them if Palin is the of person they would want on the ticket. Right now, it's analogous to Obama earlier in the summer, but if she does poorly vs. Biden the optimism will fade quickly, rightly or wrongly.
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Old 09-02-2008, 03:17 PM
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As for Ana Marie, her utter disrespect of the blogosphere is appalling. It's amazing how quickly she has become a Villager.
And how!
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Old 09-02-2008, 04:18 PM
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. . . and he has not shown the slightest hint of being an intellectual lightweight.
You say that as if it's a good thing. Palin surely was not picked to siphon the egghead vote away from Obama. Voters don't much like eggheads (which is the only reason I can fathom that Gore and Kerry lost to Bush). Palin is meant to appeal to people who either don't much go in for book larning or moreover, would reflexively prefer Idaho State to Columbia/Harvard. (I'm leaving aside the whole religious/antiabortion thing, which apparently is a huge deal but is nevertheless totally opaque to me.) McCain's strategy is contained in something I heard Paul Belaga say to Donna Brazille when he was promoting Hillary in the primaries: Obama isn't going to win the election with only blacks and eggheads.

Palin is not my cup of tea, but so far based on what little bit I've seen of her, I don't look at her an think, jesus, I really want bad, humiliating things to happen to that person. I'm in awe of what's expected of her. I get stressed out when I have to talk to a roomful of people, but Wednesday night she's got to get up on her hind legs in front of the whole world and charm the pants off the American electorate.
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Old 09-02-2008, 04:38 PM
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You say that as if it's a good thing. Palin surely was not picked to siphon the egghead vote away from Obama.
Granted. I was merely trying to make the point that he is prepared to be president, because he's had time to learn and he's shown that he's capable of learning.

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(I'm leaving aside the whole religious/antiabortion thing, which apparently is a huge deal but is nevertheless totally opaque to me.)
That's a big mistake. That's the reason McCain didn't get to pick the guy he wanted (Lieberman), that's the main reason she got picked instead, and that's the reason she's being supported right now.

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Palin is not my cup of tea, but so far based on what little bit I've seen of her, I don't look at her an think, jesus, I really want bad, humiliating things to happen to that person.
Nor do I. I want bad, humiliating things to happen to John McCain and the GOP as a whole.
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Old 09-02-2008, 10:12 AM
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The conservative excitement over Sarah Palin is most certainly sincere. If Barack Obama had selected Dennis Kucinich to be vice president, liberals the country over would have rejoiced. Sincere excitement doesn't necessarily mean anything pragmatic, of course, and most people wouldn't want Kucinich anywhere near the White House.
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Old 09-02-2008, 10:21 AM
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The conservative excitement over Sarah Palin is most certainly sincere. If Barack Obama had selected Dennis Kucinich to be vice president, liberals the country over would have rejoiced. Sincere excitement doesn't necessarily mean anything pragmatic, of course, and most people wouldn't want Kucinich anywhere near the White House.
This liberal wouldn't have. I think Kucinich's heart is in the right place, and I thought his five-minute speech at the convention was outstanding, but I would not at all like to see him running things or being next in line. And that doesn't even begin to count the host of politically motivated complaints that I'd raise.
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Old 09-02-2008, 10:47 AM
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This liberal wouldn't have. I think Kucinich's heart is in the right place, and I thought his five-minute speech at the convention was outstanding, but I would not at all like to see him running things or being next in line. And that doesn't even begin to count the host of politically motivated complaints that I'd raise.
I couldn't have said it better. Kucinich seems like a good guy to have on your side, to help keep the (we?) cynics honest, but I'd have a hard time mustering enthusiasm for him as a national candidate.
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Old 09-02-2008, 04:30 PM
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I couldn't have said it better. Kucinich seems like a good guy to have on your side, to help keep the (we?) cynics honest, but I'd have a hard time mustering enthusiasm for him as a national candidate.
I am feeling extremely isolated here. Am I the only commenter on Bheads who supports Kucinich for president? Where is the audacity? Where is the hope? My life is over.
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Old 09-02-2008, 04:42 PM
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I am feeling extremely isolated here. Am I the only commenter on Bheads who supports Kucinich for president? Where is the audacity? Where is the hope? My life is over.
Sorry, Wonderment, but I can't get behind someone to be president (or VP) simply because his heart is in the right place.
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Old 09-02-2008, 04:44 PM
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I am feeling extremely isolated here. Am I the only commenter on Bheads who supports Kucinich for president? Where is the audacity? Where is the hope? My life is over.
Cheer up!!! There's hope!!!

I'd love to have someone with Kucinich's principles and determination for president!

Does that help? Please put that poison back in a locked cabinet... Thank you.

The problem is that there aren't that many that would agree, and that additional qualities are needed for a president...

Cheer up, Wonderment!

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Old 09-02-2008, 05:51 PM
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I am feeling extremely isolated here. Am I the only commenter on Bheads who supports Kucinich for president? Where is the audacity? Where is the hope? My life is over.
Does it help that I support your right to support the candidate of your choice? Even if I just can't quite bring myself to support him? I do find your attitude audaciously hopeful - which brings to mind... Oh. Never mind.

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Old 09-02-2008, 06:08 PM
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I see different people as having different roles. Kucinich is the crazy uncle that you definitely want at the Thanksgiving table to add some life to the party, but most agree he shouldn't be the one handling the electric carving knife.
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Old 09-02-2008, 06:11 PM
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I see different people as having different roles. Kucinich is the crazy uncle that you definitely want at the Thanksgiving table to add some life to the party, but most agree he shouldn't be the one handling the electric carving knife.
I'm not sure I'd want to run that image past some of my nieces and nephews.
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I see different people as having different roles. Kucinich is the crazy uncle that you definitely want at the Thanksgiving table to add some life to the party, but most agree he shouldn't be the one handling the electric carving knife.
Hey, that's some inspiring imagery... not the knife of course, just the crazy uncle part...
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Old 09-02-2008, 06:30 PM
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I am feeling extremely isolated here. Am I the only commenter on Bheads who supports Kucinich for president? Where is the audacity? Where is the hope? My life is over.
Yup, Guess so. Makes me feel pretty happy that Dennis Kucinich and his thinking is at the fringe of the party and not the heart of it.
Dennis Kucinich doesn't personify hope, he personifies despondence. It's like a Bollywood melo-drama from the seventies.
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Old 09-02-2008, 10:40 AM
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unnerved by the not so perfect coverage we have a fine bloggers like Jay Nordlinger accidently displaying his unchristian-like attraction to the Democratic ticket.

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I don’t think Barack Obama needed to have a big, jazzy closing night — the “O-cropolis,” the fireworks, the bells and whistles. Why? Because he has enough jazz and sex — enough pizzazz and charisma — on his own. Some people think he has too much.

Consider Ronald Reagan, in 1980. He was regarded as a Hollywood guy, and the rap against him was that he was all style, no substance — just a bunch of Tinseltown glitz. So his ads were very, very plain: They had Reagan speaking straight into the camera, about some issue — some kitchen-table issue. No music, no Hollywood. Very, very effective.

Biden may need to be sexed up (or shut up). Same with McCain. Obama — and Palin — no.
The gratuitous use of the word SEX has to explained somehow. :-) I mean it's not as if conservatives have been deploying sexual imagery near obama to somehow stoke the unconscious fears of the general public. To quote Bill Cosby "RIIIIIIGHT"
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Old 09-02-2008, 10:50 AM
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thouartgob:

Funny stuff. One minor point that caught my eye:

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It's amazing that the wingnuts are still trying to get mileage out of this. Anyone who watched Obama speak on TV did not see the whole stage. They saw a background of two (Oval) office-looking windows and an American flag, blowing smartly in the breeze. Very presidential-looking.

I guess Nordlinger's doing what he's paid to do -- preach to the choir -- but the only people who obsessed about the set design weren't going to vote for Obama in any case.
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Old 09-02-2008, 11:03 AM
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Actually there are a bunch of people who get obsessed by set design that could vote for Obama and might be presaging another shift in the Mccain Strategy to grab up another democratic demographic.

Ana Maries Cox not to thrilled with McCain at the moment could this be the beginnings of a Cronkite Moment of Clarity: "... Hang it up Uncle John ..."
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Old 09-02-2008, 11:14 AM
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Actually there are a bunch of people who get obsessed by set design that could vote for Obama and might be presaging another shift in the Mccain Strategy to grab up another democratic demographic.

Ana Maries Cox not to thrilled with McCain at the moment could this be the beginnings of a Cronkite Moment of Clarity: "... Hang it up Uncle John ..."
I do confess to being shocked that she didn't gush about His Mavericky Wonderfulness the entire time. I think I even heard "I might vote for Obama" at one point, but I can't be sure, because I fainted.
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Old 09-02-2008, 11:11 AM
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Anyone who watched Obama speak on TV did not see the whole stage. They saw a background of two (Oval) office-looking windows and an American flag, blowing smartly in the breeze. Very presidential-looking.
Should have added this earlier:



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Old 09-02-2008, 12:07 PM
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You would think that Obama's appearance in a west wing mockup would send the Mccain camp into a tizzy about Obama's audacity !! Another talking point missed. So sad. Well maybe we can come up with something.., Okay Ayers blows up federal buildings and federal buildings look like Greek Temples so Ayers would want to bomb Greek Temples, The syllogism is complete .... Has Ayers ever traveled to Greece... Get the NRO on the job to find out.

.... Now a joke mmmm Oh I wonder if Obama was worried that Ayers would bomb the set at the stadium... Jay Nordlinger you can have that one I owe ya one Buddy.

Actually since Obama is basically best buds with Ayers and his that middle name of his... Maybe Obama might have blown up his own set... K-LO can have that train of thought.
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Old 09-02-2008, 11:09 AM
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I agree with Matt Lewis about very little. But one thing on which we agree completely is McCain's choice of Sarah Palin.

The first thing that I find particularly attractive about her is her recent membership in the Alaskan Independence Party. The last time I looked their website had crashed but this statement had been on the front page of it:

"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."

And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

Ms. Clark has been quoted as saying that party members need to "infiltrate" the two major parties in order to promote Alaskan independence. hmmm...

No word yet on the chance of her being an ax murder.

This election just got a lot more fun.
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Old 09-02-2008, 11:25 AM
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No word yet on the chance of her being an ax murder.
LOL!

And, it looks like another major scandal is about to erupt:

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Amy Gwin, 43, of University City, grew up in Alaska and competed in the Miss Wasilla, Alaska, competition in 1984 against GOP vice presidential choice Sarah Palin. Gwin said Friday that she won the Miss Congeniality award in the competition, although Palin's Wikipedia entry says she won the contest — and the Miss Congeniality award.
(h/t: John Cole, who lists four additional (serious) potential scandals, as well.)

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For Democrats, at least.

And now, for dessert, who wants polls?
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Old 09-02-2008, 10:06 PM
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I'm sure by this time next week we'll all know from Palin that "that's not the Alaska Independence Party" she knew, right ohcomeon?
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Old 09-02-2008, 11:27 AM
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I think this pairing works pretty well. Contrary to many of my fellow travelers, seemingly, I like AMC. Maybe I give too much credit, but she seems to me to offer pretty sophisticated observations with a lot of "meta" content. Cornered, and asked to illustrate what I mean by that, I'd probably wouldn't have a clear example, so judge for yourself. Matt is guy with whom I probably don't share many opinions; and I think his process, insofar as I can divine it from this single short segment, seems shallow in the sense that he doesn't seem to have any questions at all about the fundamental "rightness" of his point of view, nevertheless seems like an appealing guy who can have a substantive conversation with someone he doesn't agree with on a deep level. All in all, these two held my attention for twenty minutes and probably could have for a full hour.
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I call upon the Go12 to banish AemJeff.

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I call upon the Go12 to banish AemJeff.

;^) <--- (attn: harkin)


You wouldn't want me to email the passwords to harkin and rcocean, would you?
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You wouldn't want me to email the passwords to harkin and rcocean, would you?
Already changed, my former friend.

As is the secret handshake.
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Already changed, my former friend.

As is the secret handshake.
Yeah well, I'm keeping the Ché t-shirts!
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Not a problem. We have new ones.

And, for laundry day, these.
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Not a problem. We have new ones.

And, for laundry day, these.
I give up! The Che ney shirts are sublime!
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