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Old 03-23-2010, 05:03 AM
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Default Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric

This is a thread that probably should have been started long ago, but ... better late than never, maybe.

So, to start us off with something quite recent, let us visit the official website of one of the two major political parties in the most powerful nation on Earth: GOP.com.

(via, via)

Hmmm ... interesting redirection there. And probably the flames surrounding the Speaker of the US House of Representatives and the prominent word BOMB "are just metaphors," amirite?

Please feel to contribute examples as you come across them. It is important to document the atrocities.

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[Added] For historical purposes, since this redirection will probably not last: as of this posting, gop.com redirects to http://www.gop.com/firepelosi/

[Added2] For several other examples, see also the thread titled "HCR and the right's reaction;" e.g., here, here, here, here, and here.
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Old 03-23-2010, 07:40 AM
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Screenshot from bow-tied twerp Tucker Carlson's new "news" site, just in case there was any doubt remaining about his being a full metal wingnut.



Or at least, desperate to pander to them. Which is worse.
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Old 03-23-2010, 08:32 AM
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Default Brick follow-up

Remember the brick that was thrown through the window of the office of my Representative, Louise Slaughter?

Turns out (via) there were other bricks thrown through other Democratic offices in the same area, too, including one with this note:*



and that Slaughter also received a threat of assassination via "recorded message" at her office last Thursday.

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* Ironic that a t-bagger would forget that one letter, don't you think?
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Old 03-23-2010, 11:39 AM
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Default Bob Owens ...

... <strike>fapped</strike> asked this past weekend:

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Ready to Riot?

I ran out on some errands this morning, and noticed several things.

The gun store downtown was doing what I suspect was unusually brisk business for an early Saturday morning outside of hunting season. This same gun store's parking lot was overflowing mid-afternoon yesterday shortly after 3:30 PM, with traffic filling the lot, the nearby on-street parking filled, and overflow parking spilling into the gravel lot next door.

I've also seen a minivan with a warning/threat against Obamacare written in red paint on the windows (I didn't get a great look at it as it was moving in the opposite direction, but I got the gist of it).

This is hardly the equivalent of militiamen forming on the village green, but there seems to be a distinct undercurrent of frustration and rage building against the federal government in general, the tricks of Democratic Party in specific, and tomorrow's Obamacare may be the catalyst.

I don't sense any organization, but strong sentiment appears to be brewing. Is anyone else seeing similar behavior where they live?
In another recent post, he says he "proudly stand[s] by" his statement that "the next one of these jackasses that calls #healthcare a 'right' deserves to be drawn and quartered." He also says the same should be done to "the Democrats who crammed this unwarranted bill down the throats of the American people."

[Added: A comment left under this post is nut-picking to a degree, but it does illustrate what this kind of talk produces: drooling readers eagerly chiming in, and upping the ante.]

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Where do we go from here?

Some are calling for the armed revolt against this encroaching tyranny. It was for this specific reason, after all, that our Founders made sure Americans would not be denied the use of arms.
This will later be referred to as "the morally-required alternative." He wags a finger at the brick-throwers, because:

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This sort of petty vandalism is not what the Founders sought to protect.
Oh, good.

Oh, wait.

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They sought to protect our right to replace—yes, overthow—would-be tyrants and rouges that history has taught us always eventually arrive to usurp power and run roughshod over the rights of the people.
Rouges? Interesting Freudian slip there, Bob.

He goes on to reminisce fondly about the Battle of Athens* and reminds us, with increasing tumescence, "We live in a nation full of freshly-experienced combat veterans and graying patriots," but somehow, does not see fit to mention a more recent and better-known combat veteran patriot. Maybe the dog-whistle was apparent enough?

How significant is Bob Owens? Eh, hard to say. Big enough, though, to get a gig with Pajamas Media, an earlier one with Brent Bozell's Media Research Center, and profiled by the Washington Post.

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* Yeah, me neither. But I guess they fantasize about this quite a bit. Wolverines!!!1!
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Old 03-23-2010, 12:06 PM
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Speaking to a crowd of teabaggers Sunday night, after the House passed its HCR bill, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) encouraged secession and violence:

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If I could start a country with a bunch of people, they’d be the folks who were standing with us the last few days. Let’s hope we don’t have to do that! Let’s beat that other side to a pulp! Let’s take them out. Let’s chase them down. There’s going to be a reckoning!
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Old 03-23-2010, 01:04 PM
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Default Lambchop's law again

James Zogby at the Huffington Post on violations of Lambchop's law as frightening behavior. I don't really like the whole warnings of creeping totalitarianism thing, but I like that he pinpointed the same phenomenon that all the commenters here did earlier.
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Old 03-23-2010, 02:15 PM
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James Zogby at the Huffington Post on violations of Lambchop's law as frightening behavior. I don't really like the whole warnings of creeping totalitarianism thing, but I like that he pinpointed the same phenomenon that all the commenters here did earlier.
That is a good post. Thanks for the link. I agree he probably didn't need to throw that T-word in there; on the other hand, a minority faction claiming to speak for "the people" does have some disturbing historical resonances.

BTW: Just in case anyone else is hesitating about clicking, the author is not that dubious pollster guy. Completely different person.
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Old 03-23-2010, 02:09 PM
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It's not going to take long for this thread to fill up.
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:56 PM
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Here is a flyer that Heather Armstrong recently found tucked in her doorway.



This organization, America Forever, appears quite well-funded, judging by their website -- for one thing, it costs a lot to host your own video, rather than putting it up on YouTube. (Looks like someone has posted a copy on YouTube, too, for the record.)

If you'd rather not sit through their latest, "Obama Killer Song," here is a partial description of what's in it, from the Salt Lake Tribune:

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The video, now playing on YouTube, features a man who appears to be light-skinned wearing a full-head Obama mask. Three men sing as the Obama figure skulks into a bedroom to "kill grandma" by strangling her in her sleep. He snatches a "U.S. Constitution" from an infant and burns it. He interrupts a CIA agent waterboarding a suspect and uses a noose -- a noose! -- to choke the agent.

It just gets worse: a couple of GI Joe figures holding hands, rainbows in the classroom. The Obama figure ducks into a room and emerges, transgendered, in a pink jacket and feather boa.

And the worst: the figure approaches a pregnant woman drowsing in a chair and stabs her belly repeatedly.

Oh, and the Obama figure with a scoped rifle taking aim at political opponents. The video ends, predictably, with a nuclear blast ...
More information on America Forever in that column. From that and a glance at Google, it looks like this group used to be driven exclusively by their anti-gay hate. Good to see them branching out, huh?

(h/t for the dooce link: mistermix)
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:50 PM
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Default Re: Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric

What these guys want is a general strike, but they're too anti-socialist to know it.
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:51 AM
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What these guys want is a general strike, but they're too anti-socialist to know it.
They are planning one -- April 15 - 18.

They say it's our "last chance to do something peacefully."


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Old 03-24-2010, 09:26 PM
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Default Interactive map tracks Republican violence, threats, vandalism

Talking Points Memo has decided to put up an interactive map to visualize and track the wave of violence, threats, and vandalism committed by conservatives in recent days.

You might want to bookmark that page, because we're obviously now seeing what TPM describes as the beginnings of a domestic terror campaign against Democrats.
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Old 03-24-2010, 09:49 PM
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I'm also hoping that FBI, CIA, Secret Service, and all Homeland security forces are keeping track of threats of potential violent actions.
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Old 03-24-2010, 11:05 PM
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Below is how "alarmrideratl" (aka restoretheconstitution@alarmandmuster.com) plans to present himself on 19 April 2010, at the "Restore the Constitution rally." This will be held at Gravelly Point Park, Virginia, billed elsewhere as "based on research so far, the closest carry-legal location to [Washington] DC."

Does the 19th of April have any significance? Yes. It is the day Timothy McVeigh bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City.

In another, more recent, post, this guy begins:

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It doesn’t look like the “conventional” forms of protest (signs, chants, phone calls, emails) that we’ve been using so far are having enough of an impact on our representatives. Been there, done that, let’s try something else.
Hurrah for the democratic process! And patience, also, too!

Steve M. at No More Mister Nice Blog (via) has a bunch more on this event.



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P.S. Screen grab from another post on the site linked to above as "elsewhere:"

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Default Sarah Palin's Violent Rhetoric

The following appears on Sarah Palin's Twitter feed:

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Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.
10:01 PM Mar 23rd via OpenBeak
Here's what she refers to on her Facebook page: a map of "20 House Democrats," with their locations marked with obvious cross-hairs.



Accompanying text includes this:

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We’ll aim for these races and many others. This is just the first salvo in a fight ...
Backup copies of the Tweet and Facebook graphic here.

(h/t: John Cole)
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Old 03-27-2010, 04:02 AM
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... and outfit?
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Old 03-27-2010, 04:10 AM
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... and outfit?
Yeah, I noticed the leather (or is it pleather?) outfit. Must be very appealing to those in her thrall (I could name some famous names, but like Walter Winchell, I won't) who would love nothing more than for Mistress P to be their dominatrix.

And McCain in the background -- how awkward and uncomfortable can a person look?
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Old 03-27-2010, 04:21 AM
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Yeah, I noticed the leather (or is it pleather?) outfit. Must be very appealing to those in her thrall (I could name some famous names, but I won't) who would love nothing more than for Mistress P to be their dominatrix.
Will David Letterman dare to say the same thing?

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And McCain in the background -- how awkward and uncomfortable can a person look?
You must watch a bit of the video where I grabbed the image from. As Newell says:

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At :32, clapping like that robot monkey with the cymbals. He has no idea what the fuck is happening.
Of course, we are not allowed to make fun of John McCain's awkward clapping, BECAUSE HE WAS A POW.
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Old 03-27-2010, 04:33 AM
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Will David Letterman dare to say the same thing?
Did you see the clip from "Duck Soup" at the bottom of the page? Ah, the incomparable Margaret Dumont at her finest! (And Groucho is not so bad himself.)

Yes, and I did see some of the Palin/McCain video. Maybe I'm too softhearted, but I just couldn't help feeling sorry for McCain as he stood there listening to Palin make jokes about how old he is.
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Old 04-01-2010, 08:01 AM
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Did you see the clip from "Duck Soup" at the bottom of the page? Ah, the incomparable Margaret Dumont at her finest! (And Groucho is not so bad himself.)
I did. For some reason, it made me uncomfortable. Different times, different standards, I know, but still.

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Yes, and I did see some of the Palin/McCain video. Maybe I'm too softhearted, but I just couldn't help feeling sorry for McCain as he stood there listening to Palin make jokes about how old he is.
In her defense (and no, I have no idea why I am speaking on Sarah Palin's behalf), one thing she is very good at is turning around attack points by using self-mockery. Remember how after she got busted at the Teabaggers' Ball for having notes written on her hand, she wrote stuff on her hand for her next several public appearances.

In this case, I'm not sure whether JD Hayworth is making an issue out of McCain's age, though I'd be amazed if he wasn't, at least obliquely, and so the best way to deal with something that is indisputable (John McCain is old, and more importantly to the casual voter, looks it) is to embrace it and then make jokes about it, to defuse it.
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Yeah, I noticed the leather (or is it pleather?) outfit. Must be very appealing to those in her thrall (I could name some famous names, but I won't) who would love nothing more than for Mistress P to be their dominatrix.
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Will David Letterman dare to say the same thing?
No, but Robin Williams did. (clip is about 6 minutes long, but relevant portion is right near the beginning)
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Old 04-01-2010, 07:57 AM
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No, but Robin Williams did. (clip is about 6 minutes long, but relevant portion is right near the beginning)
Thanks for that. I am always happy to see Robin Williams, even though it appears fashionable these days to disparage him.
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You didn't think that title wasn't ironic, did you? What a piece of shit that woman is.
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Condemning Threats, Condemning Assumptions


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The fact that plenty of Republicans get threats every day and nobody says a thing notwithstanding, taking Hoyer’s words at face value, as a conservative Republican, I condemn real threats of violence almost as much as I condemn desperate claims that are manufactured in a cheap attempts to further broken agendas. That said, I’d like Rep. Hoyer and people of all political stripes to condemn the assumption that any physical threats of retribution over the health care bill are coming from Republicans.

Sure, maybe some of us owe Steny an apology for over-reacting to the completely unfounded fear that thousands of IRS agents may soon be monitoring our blood pressure, collecting urine samples and making sure we haven’t kicked our 25-year-old kids out of our basements and off our insurance doles — but, as sure as Bart Stupak’s already secretly working on his concession speech, I know this bothers more than just Republicans.

Steny’s been busy serving the constitution the way a dog serves a fire hydrant, so maybe he hasn’t had time to notice, but a solid majority of the country is against this bill that recently passed through the Senate and House, and is in the process of passing through America like shards of glass through the bowels of a hemophiliac. Hoyer may not have taken the time to consider that Americans are incensed by the passage of this bill, and as such there’s a slight chance that non-Republicans are less than happy too.

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Old 03-25-2010, 01:28 AM
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Wow. It's almost like she's saying "not only Republicans have reason to fantasize about violence and make threats!!"
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Default Sarah Palin wants you to murder your representative

There is so much more I could have added to this Republicans-advocating-violence thread today, if only I had more time.

This really is, I'm sure, the most under-reported story of the last year. I wish someone could explain to me why it goes almost completely unremarked upon.

I've said it a zillion times, but if you follow Republican blogs, or read comments on newspaper articles or on youtube videos, or listen to the people who call into radio or TV call-in shows, it's a constant drumbeat of conservatives calling for violent retribution against Democrats and liberals. And it's not just the base: the leadership of the party and the conservative movement are doing it, too. Sarah Palin herself just issued a demand that her followers "reload" and "take aim" at a list of Congressmen she identified on a map with rifle scopes.

It's a deliberate campaign of incitement and intimidation.

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Putting aside for a moment the ugly hateful vitriol, isn't "Constitution" supposed to be capitalized? Freudian slip, perhaps.
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You didn't think that title wasn't ironic, did you? What a piece of shit that woman is.
It continues, unsurprisingly, and she's getting her fans riled up. Reports LGF:

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To Michelle Malkin, if President Obama shows any sign of being even slightly happy about the success of his health care reform bill, it’s “gloating.”

And in the comments for her thread (among dozens of comments talking about buying food, guns, and ammunition, joining militias, and going on “a war footing”), “Snowfire” tries to raise the plummeting morale by posting the poem “Invictus” by William Ernest Henley — which also happens to be the final statement of Timothy McVeigh.
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The House Minority Leader, John Boehner (R-Ohio), speaking to National Review, 18 Mar 2010, about a Democratic colleague from his same state:

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“Take [Rep.] Steve Driehaus, for example,” he says. “He may be a dead man. He can’t go home to the west side of Cincinnati."
Shortly afterward, an attack ad ran in a local newspaper, The Cincinnati Inquirer, featuring a picture of Driehaus with his kids, and anti-HCR bloggers also posted directions to his house.

Driehaus is one of a number of Democratic members of Congress who have received death threats since the bill passed. Rachel Maddow reports: part one, part two.
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The House Minority Leader, John Boehner (R-Ohio), speaking to National Review, 18 Mar 2010, about a Democratic colleague from his same state:

Shortly afterward, an attack ad ran in a local newspaper, The Cincinnati Inquirer, featuring a picture of Driehaus with his kids, and anti-HCR bloggers also posted directions to his house.

Driehaus is one of a number of Democratic members of Congress who have received death threats since the bill passed. Rachel Maddow reports: part one, part two.
I've been listening to some of the recorded messages that have been left on Rep. Stupak's answering machine. Absolutely chilling. I'd never thought that anything could ever cause me to view Stupak as an admirable and courageous patriot, or that I'd ever want to rally to his defense, but the unspeakably vicious hatred contained in those phone messages (and there were many of them) rattled me to my core, and my heart went out to the Congressman.

The recent numerous violent acts and threats of violence, including murder, toward various other members of Congress and their families are equally appalling to me. And I am very disturbed by the language used by influential Republicans that serves to fuel such violence. How can they ignore the dire consequences such incitement has led to in our past?
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Ladies and Gentlmen, the conservative movement:

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VANDERBOEGH: I am telling you we are motivated to break windows, we feel a deadly threat from the Federal government and the orders that the Democrat party has given us. [...]

COLMES: You’re telling people to break the windows of Democratic headquarters. You’re telling people to commit acts of vandalism. You’re supporting breaking the law.

VANDERBOEGH: May I tell you my personal motive for doing this? I’m trying to save the lives of Nancy Pelosi, and every one of these people who do not understand the unintended consequences of their actions. [...] Because they are not paying attention to the million of people across this deepening divide that politics no longer avails them. [...] We refuse to participate in the system, and we refuse to pay the fines, and we refuse arrest. Now where do you suppose that’s going but a thousand little Waco’s.
Vanderboegh runs a blog devoted to inciting revolution.

I wonder what the reasonable conservatives in the forum think about this growing right wing movement.
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Rep. Eric Cantor, desperate to trick our deeply pathetic media into reporting the story as "both sides are doing it," filed a police report stating that his office was fired upon.

Read the police report:

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A preliminary investigation shows that a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window. The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds. There was no other damage to the room, which is used occasionally for meetings by the congressman.
So, it almost certainly was not a shot fired at Cantor's office and likely had no political connection.

Suppose, though, that it did. Let's just stipulate for the sake of argument that some unhinged lefty fired the shot into the air and carefully calculated the trajectory so that the bullet would fall through the window of Cantor's office.

It would still prove nothing, and it certainly would not prove that "extremism is a problem on both sides."

How do we know? We know because you almost never can find any examples of violent liberal rhetoric, but you can't miss violent conservative rhetoric. Go to virtually any political news story or YouTube video, or conservative blog, and read the comments, and you are sure to find several threats of violence. It would be exceedingly difficult to find examples of the same kind of rhetoric coming from the left.
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I know the feeling, Ezra.
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And Newt is making speeches saying that the Dems are partly to blame because of their arm-twisting approach to legislation. Pot meet...well you know.

What disturbs me the most is: where is the outrage among the decent people on the Right? I've seen very little from pundits, politicians or just GOP-leaning civilians expressing any disgust over these terrible offenses. Even people on this board who I generally think have morals not far from my own though we may disagree on policy have been strangely hesitant to call out their party's abhorrant behavior. I'd like to think that if Democrats were encouraging this kindof dangerous atmosphere, I would be willing to speak up and point out that these people are sick and demented and this kinda shit has no place in politics for either party. So far...nothing but crickets from all the decent, God-loving Amurkens. It's pretty disappointing.
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And Newt is making speeches saying that the Dems are partly to blame because of their arm-twisting approach to legislation. Pot meet...well you know.

What disturbs me the most is: where is the outrage among the decent people on the Right? I've seen very little from expressing any disgust over these terrible offenses. Even people on this board who I generally think have morals not far from my own though we may disagree on policy have been strangely hesitant to call out their party's abhorrant behavior. I'd like to think that if Democrats were encouraging this kindof dangerous atmosphere, I would be willing to speak up and point out that these people are sick and demented and this kinda shit has no place in politics for either party. So far...nothing but crickets from all the decent, God-loving Amurkens. It's pretty disappointing.
Yes, the outrage from those you mention sounds kinda like this.
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Yes, the outrage from those you mention sounds kinda like this.
the most interesting part being that you are all gleeful about implementing a right wing heritage foundation plan.
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the most interesting part being that you are all gleeful about implementing a right wing heritage foundation plan.
Aren't you one for saying you care about good ideas, not where they come from?
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Aren't you one for saying you care about good ideas, not where they come from?
and aren't you one for judging things based on their provenance? or are you completely open to ideas emanating from the Templeton foundation - evaluating each with an open mind?

I think the health care "reform" is pretty horrifying. the idea that i have to pay private corporations for the right to be alive is sickening. It is also sickening how the bush administration set-up a surveillance state that is still operating (but nobody complains now that Obama is in charge of the apparatus).

The basic model I've seen since Reagan is the parties take turns selling us out to corporate interests, and gutting the constitution. they get people riled-up enough about pointless distractions that the base on the right and left both turn a blind eye to what is going on when "their" party is in charge of fucking America.
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You know, there are non-profit health insurers. With rescission and pre-existing conditions banned, and the new 85% minimum medical-loss ratio, things are looking good for the non-profits.
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You know, there are non-profit health insurers. With rescission and pre-existing conditions banned, and the new 85% minimum medical-loss ratio, things are looking good for the non-profits.
Interesting. I'd like to know more about that.
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Interesting. I'd like to know more about that.
So would I!

I've been fascinated by the non-profits and co-ops for a long time. It's weird how markets shake out: 99.9% of colleges are non-profit. The #1 mutual fund group, Vanguard, is a co-op. Credit unions have better fees and rates than most banks. There aren't many in America but I guess grocery coops are common around the world.

The big benefit of co-ops is that people work harder and smarter on team projects than they do when they're working for the man. From what I've read the main thing that holds back cooperatives is that it's harder for them to raise capital. They can't issue equity and sometimes they have higher borrowing costs because there's too many "owners" for the bank to deal with. The other "problem" with co-ops is that they can work too well: members can demutualize and cash in!
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