Originally Posted by ohreally
The courier's tip came from KSM years after waterboarding had stopped. Remember that he was waterboarded 183 times. And that didn't make him talk. If anything this proves that torture does not work.
Plus it's hard to invoke the ticking bomb scenario when years pass between the tip and any actionable intelligence.
But of course this is all irrelevant. Torture is wrong. Period. It's not wrong "because it does not work." It's wrong even if it works (which it doesn't).
The US Marine Corp (re)learned that torture doesn't work during the Second World War. I guess they weren't invited to the meeting. You can read Major Morans memo on the subject here http://mcittahistory.bravehost.com/aamitcsm.pdf