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![]() Don't miss that Paul campaign ad about Newt that Sarah and Michael reference in the diavlog.
If I can be forgiven a violent metaphor, the ad really drives a stake through Gingrich's political heart. RIP, Newt. I'm really rooting for Dr. Paul to triumph in the Iowa caucuses, as Michael suggests he may. Whatever his flaws, and I concede they are many, Ron Paul is the only major-party peace candidate out there this cycle, and it's heartening to know that his counter-militarism, counter-exceptionalism message is being heard.
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Seek Peace and Pursue it בקש שלום ורדפהו Busca la paz y síguela --Psalm 34:15 |
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Gingrich is smirking and Santorum is rolling his eyes, but talking truth to power on national television has got to throw them off their game. Paul's message is utterly heretical in both parties, but it's especially cognitively dissonant to his über-exceptionalist pro-Iraq War colleagues on the debating stage. How did a guy whose foreign policy views are compatible with those of Noam Chomsky and Dennis Kucinich even get invited to the venue among Republican presidential wannabes, much less share a podium and a mic as an equal? It's like an abolitionist suddenly running for president of the Confederacy. (Who knew that 15% of the white South opposed slavery?) I also like how Chomsky references Eisenhower in the post-debate clip. It's a message to the Republican base: go back to your pre-Nixonian, pre-Reaganista roots, i.e., when you had enough cognition to experience dissonance about creeping and catastrophic militarism.
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![]() He had to have compensating benefits (i.e., be especially nutty in other ways).
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Whether Dr. Paul has other baggage is secondary. Future Republican politicians will come along who don't have the "nutty" baggage but who do agree on peace. For the US to change its policy of global military domination and virtually perpetual war-making and mongering, there needs to be a new bipartisan consensus. In that regard, Dr. Paul is an exciting and inspiring historical figure.
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I'd much rather have libertarianism subsumed under the Democrats, but it looks like the Republicans are doing a much better job of co-opting them. In twenty years, the GOP will probably be somewhere between libertarians and conservatives today.
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![]() Source. Numbers are from July 2011, so take that with a grain of salt.
Here are 2007 numbers for comparison.
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Marijuana? Gay Rights? It can't be demilitarization, that would end their careers. His Libertarianism as social service gutting would deny them the benefits and pensions that are just about the best part of their service. Maybe they like the idea of service more than the application? Can't say as I'd blame them. |
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I wasn't talking about his appeal to you, FTR, but his appeal to primary voters. |
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Never a good sign when they drag out the "doctor" appellation. It's an appeal to authority, and a bit manipulative. No, it really isn't. It's actually pretty normal and mainstream in the Democratic Party. Or, I should say, I guess it depends what part of his message you're talking about. If you're talking about closing all our bases and eliminating the US military, then, yes, Paul's message is utterly heretical in both parties, as well as among the US population. I doubt 5% of Americans would support Paul's full blown agenda. But if you're talking about some of the things Chomsky described as non-controversial, or the bulk of what Paul says about treason and war and the police state, those are pretty mainstream views in the Democratic Party. It reminds me of the praise rfrobison gets for being a nice guy. People have remarked before that Rob gets all this praise not just because he's nice, but because he's a nice conservative. A polite manner and willingness to discuss issues without animus are just normal for the liberals around here, but when a conservative does it, no one can believe it and we fall all over ourselves heaping praise on him. Bob Wright even went out of his way to highlight the anomaly by naming a politeness prize in Rob's name. But this is roughly how you treat Democrats. You claim they are their moral equivalent of Hitler, and then make a conspicuous display of showering love on Ron Paul. I've always assumed I knew what you were doing: You figured the Republicans were the ones who needed encouraging, so you'd highlight the one guy on their side who deserved praise. I get that; it was Bob Wright's reasoning, too, in praising rfrobison. But I don't want to let your claim about about the Democrats stand without challenge. Quote:
* If your libertarianism says that everything government does is illegal or un-Constitutional, that all federal agencies should be dismantled, that everything government does (save for courts, police, and the military) should be stopped , you have effectively decided that government is not a tool the public can use to shape the kind of society they want to live in. Quote:
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![]() A sus órdenes, Doctora.
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Plus, it reminds me of this nutty law school professor I had who used to bitch about how medical doctors were the only ones to use the title on a social basis. He'd say that if MDs in Congress were going to demand "Dr." as a title, all the JDs should, as well, which obviously would remove any specialness. So I can't wait til it comes down to Dr. Romney and the anti-Dr. Romney, whether that be Dr. Gingrich, Dr. Paul, or Dr. Bachmann. |
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I think official guidelines discourage or prohibit the Phd nurse from calling him/herself "doctor."
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In any case, I see no reason to follow it in referring to politicians. Last edited by stephanie; 12-05-2011 at 08:51 PM.. |
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![]() I don't know what the regulations are in California, and we don't have to get off on this tangent, but I see exactly why such regulation or custom would be put in place. It's very easy for many people to get confused about who is who in a health care environment. And a nurse is not a medical doctor. So anything that's done to avoid misunderstandings is a good idea. I've seen people very indignant, thinking that they are being deceived when someone who is not an physician calls himself or herself a doctor while they are in hospital or clinic.
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![]() Here's an article that explores the issue and legislation introduced in various states to address it:
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Random story: I deposed a bunch of German business executives in a case once. In Germany, as everyone probably knows, "Dr." is used much more commonly, and not just for those with medical degrees, but for those with advanced degrees in other fields. Therefore, it's common for high-level politicians and business people and even lawyers to be termed "Dr." and it seemed that most everyone we were dealing with was Doktor something or other. But during my first deposition I referred to someone (a corporate officer) as Doktor Someone and the deponent (who was a Dr. and another officer) quickly corrected me "he is not a doktor." |
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As a clinical psychologist who used to work in a medical center, I can relate. |
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It's like Americans owning the name, when there are other inhabitants of the Americas that aren't recognized as such. It just happens. |
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The upside is that with his accent the usage evoked both Dr. Mengele and Dr. Strangelove.
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![]() The problem with your attempt to elevate Mr/MD/Dr/Great Thinker Paul (as used by you elsewhere also) is that most everyone else sees him for the mere mortal and wacky politico that he is. Your love and affinity for his single dovetailing issue does not overrule the complete package that most everyone else recognizes. Highlighting him as a beacon for the youth and a uniter of the extremes of both parties is wishful thinking. Electoral politics requires leavening "hope" (like your sometimes man Obama -- would that be mister?) with practicality. Polishing a turd doesn't remove its stink.
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Dang. I was going to answer the rest of this, and a couple of other posts on this topic, but there's a new Bob diavlog; going to watch that, instead, and then I'll need to go to bed. Last thing I'll say today is I don't think you really understand who's in that 7.5% of the GOP that supports Paul. They aren't all supporting him because of his peace agenda. You should look into who his followers are. Most of them appear to be Alex Jones fans, conspiracy theorists, virulent anti-Semites, and other survivalist-type far right wackos. Remember: Paul is the one who promoted armed, anti-government militias during the 1990s and during the early years of the Obama administration. And he's the one who calls Lincoln a tyrant and objected to the end of slavery. Paul is also the one who wanted to preserve the legal framework for Jim Crow. You've picked a hell of a guy to valorize.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTO5x0rlJJo a candidate whose campaign had some of the most inspired political advertising of modern history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rZdAB4V_j8 ![]() |
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![]() Thanks for reminding us of Mike Gravel.
Speaking of reminding, remind the current President and Nobel Peace Prize winner of his obligations under the NPT that Gravel cited. In the debate clip, Gravel was referring to Article VI of the Treaty. No wonder no one took him seriously. Quote:
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![]() On Ron Paul and the use of "Dr. Paul", I don't think including the "Dr." would be a big deal for people who have a habit of referring to all politicians with such titles (e.g., "Mr. Bush", "Ms. Pelosi", etc.). But from Paul-ites who don't normally do that for other politicians, it tends to signify a kind of creepy reverence, as if the fact the fact that he has a medical degree is a reason for him to be awarded the presidency.
[And this is coming from someone with a PhD, even though, ironically, my username includes "Mr".] Will Wilkinson had a good take on Paul, and how his "nationalist libertarianism" differentiates him from more conventional libertarians, here: http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/400...2&out=00:38:57 and here: http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/400...5&out=00:44:30 I've sometimes wondered if there is legitimately more support for Paul's eclectic brand of paleoconservative/libertarian fusionism than there is for more traditional libertarianism, or if Paul just happened to catch fire at the right time (running in 2008, when even the Mike Gravels of the world were being allowed into the debates). If, in 2008, a Gary Johnson or a similar candidate with more libertarian positions on social issues like abortion and immigration had been running instead of Paul, would that candidate's anti-Iraq War and anti-Drug War commentary in the debates have gone viral as well? Would it have spawned the same kind of cult of personality that arose around Paul? Or were Paul's non-libertarian positions on some of the other social issues necessary for this to happen? |
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Abortion is actually an issue on which there's more room for dissent, it seems to me, depending on whether you see the embryo/fetus as a person. |
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![]() Whatever people who like to call themselves libertarian say, it seems inconsistent with the theory behind libertarianism in much the way trade restrictions would be. Clearly nations have a right to impose trade barriers or tariffs, that's not the issue. The question is whether they should. Libertarian theory would say no.
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But then of course there would be all kinds of other issues to address when hospitals would no longer be compelled to treat everyone. No simple solutions anywhere.
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He also is against the fence, since it will be used to keep Americans in, a rather ridiculous view on the face of it (though I did read a magazine piece on a small town in southern Texas that was having trouble due to it...). Sometimes I think he just pretends to be a crazy old person who can't hear the question so he doesn't have to answer it. |
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![]() I somehow doubt a fence is the way to do. One smart thing Perry said is that if you build a twenty ft fence, people who sell 22ft ladders will get rich. I think the best way is to punish employers but that will never happen. Recently there was a lot of stuff about how Paul is a racist because of his old newsletter and a kook because he appears on Alex Jones. My notion is that he doesn't have a grasp of how the public perceives him. He is mostly intent on his message and everything else takes a back seat in his mind. It's kind of refreshing really and is probably part of his appeal.
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(But if we want to use titles, why not use Rep. for both Pelosi and Paul? That's the relevant one when we are talking politics. I'll call Paul Dr. Paul if I decide to see him for his medical expertise. Dr. King isn't weird, because in the African-American tradition especially, but not exclusively, it's common to refer to ministers with doctorates in theology or the like as "doctor." And King was acting in his ministerial role as a civil rights leader. Plus, in the '50s and '60s our culture was more likely to use titles in general in referring to people.) |
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