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Old 04-02-2008, 01:30 PM
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Old 04-02-2008, 02:12 PM
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Thank god. I've been refreshing the homepage every hour or so hoping not to see Goldfarb's pudgy smirk, and it finally happened.
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Old 04-02-2008, 02:15 PM
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I hope Ana Marie gives an update on the Drudge Report no longer being relevant.
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Old 04-02-2008, 02:20 PM
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I don't buy Ana Marie's argument at all. Appearances are important. Even if it was just a joke, the media should not go around reinforcing it.

I would also like to see an end to things like the Gridiron Club dinner, White House Correspondents dinner, etc. I think the press should never be at all chummy with the people it covers. The press should be adversarial and appear adversarial.

Also, an end to anonymous quotes. No more "senior White House official" crap.
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Old 04-02-2008, 03:19 PM
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Glen, it seems to me that the general discussion in American politics is to use "Al Qaeda" to represent all "Islamic extremism" or Islamo-Fascism" without differentiating between Shia or Sunni groups.

It is a mild mistake and the media was correct to see it that way.
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Old 04-02-2008, 03:26 PM
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No, that's ridiculous. The president of the United States need to understand what's going on in the Middle East on a more granular level than Muslims = Bad Guys. "Who can tell the difference?" is a piss poor excuse.
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Old 04-02-2008, 03:43 PM
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lowellfield is right on...I don't know what passes for common expression in the general media but there's a big difference between Al-Qa'ida and "Shi'ite Extremists." Not only are these two groups that absolutely hate each other and fight each other but, as Mr. Greenwald points out in the diavlog, the so-called Bush doctrine means that if a state supports or is linked to Al-Qa'ida is supposed to be justified to invade and occupy them. Mr. McCain's original allegation would be an implied argument that Iran should be invaded. It makes a big difference and that's a really strange argument Mr. Edenden.

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Old 04-02-2008, 06:52 PM
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lowellfield is right on...
You and lowellfield are both right on.

And this is precisely the point made by Heather Hurlburt -- the dangers of conflating various disparate Islamic groups -- that set that idiot Berman to sputtering about "92 questions."

Berman was completely unable to respond to Hurlbert's point, which is unfortunate for all of us.

Damn fool.
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Old 04-02-2008, 06:45 PM
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Glen, it seems to me that the general discussion in American politics is to use "Al Qaeda" to represent all "Islamic extremism" or Islamo-Fascism" without differentiating between Shia or Sunni groups..
That's an amazing concession to make to intellectual laziness and an especially damaging one since, in 2008, there are no more inflammatory words in the English language than "al Qaeda."

You might as well us "Nazi" to represent all Germans.
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Old 04-02-2008, 11:41 PM
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Default Iran-al Qaeda link first pointed out by 9/11 Commission

Iran - al Qaeda link was first pointed out by the much vaunted 9/11 Commission.

From TIME, July 16, 2004:

9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
By Adam Zagorin and Joe Klein

Next week's much anticipated final report by a bipartisan commission on the origins of the 9/11 attacks will contain new evidence of contacts between al-Qaeda and Iran—just weeks after the Administration has come under fire for overstating its claims of contacts between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

A senior U.S. official told TIME that the Commission has uncovered evidence suggesting that between eight and ten of the 14 "muscle" hijackers—that is, those involved in gaining control of the four 9/11 aircraft and subduing the crew and passengers—passed through Iran in the period from October 2000 to February 2001. Sources also tell TIME that Commission investigators found that Iran had a history of allowing al-Qaeda members to enter and exit Iran across the Afghan border. This practice dated back to October 2000, with Iranian officials issuing specific instructions to their border guards—in some cases not to put stamps in the passports of al-Qaeda personnel—and otherwise not harass them and to facilitate their travel across the frontier. The report does not, however, offer evidence that Iran was aware of the plans for the 9/11 attacks.

The senior official also told TIME that the report will note that Iranian officials approached the al-Qaeda leadership after the bombing of the USS Cole and proposed a collaborative relationship in future attacks on the U.S., but the offer was turned down by bin Laden because he did not want to alienate his supporters in Saudi Arabia. [Excerpt]

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Old 04-02-2008, 03:36 PM
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I kind of agree. I don't know why she's so determined to defend McCain and the coverage of him, but it leads her to say things which go beyond naive to childish.

...and that bit at the end where she gets pissed at Glenn ("I wasn't asking for advice, actually...")? No, she wasn't asking for advice. She was whining about the negative impact mean comments (like this one) have on her writing. Glenn was telling her to suck it up, which she should.

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Old 04-02-2008, 03:36 PM
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In addition to that, I think Mr. Greenwald makes the most important observation about the conversation over on his blog. Ms. Cox begins by arguing that having a friendly/cordial relationship doesn't mean the media can't deal with politicians in an objective/challenging manner then she spends the whole diavlog making weak arguments which attempt to search for the most sympathetic possible reading of both McCain and her journalistic colleagues in general.

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Old 04-02-2008, 06:55 PM
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Exactly. She sincerly seems to have no idea that she was visibly and desperately trying to protect McCain.

It was simply astonishing that she had never considered the possibility that McCain (and Republicans generally) would dishonestly use the spectre of Al Qaeda to gin up support for their foreign policy ambitions (in this case, the hardline approach to Iran).

It just goes to show how incredibly naive a person can be and still hold a powerful and important position at a true media juggernaut.
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Old 04-02-2008, 02:59 PM
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It is often said that in political life both actual wrongdoing as well as any perception of it is to be guarded against. I believe that this should also apply to those journalists who present themselves as objective observers. Even the slightest appearance of a too-cozy relationship with a public figure taints their reporting in the public eye even if they are able to divorce themselves from their personal feelings

Also, if McCain and Obama end up as the final nominees it will be interesting to see who gets the more favorable coverage since it has been the "perception" (wrongly or rightly) that the MSM is in the tank for both of them.
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Old 04-02-2008, 03:14 PM
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Am I mistaken, or is Glenn flubbing this here?
If I recall correctly, McCain's post-Lieberman-whisper correction changed "Al Qaeda" to "Extremists" rather than, as Glenn says, "Shi'ite Extremists." There's certainly a big difference, as AQ is a possible subgroup of "Extremists", but would be excluded from the "Shi'ite Extremist" formulation. I remember McCain's statement as an obfuscation, just blurring his statement a bit so as not to catch as much flak; Glenn posits that McCain actually effectively retracted the AQ/Iran link...?

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Old 04-02-2008, 03:31 PM
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Am I mistaken, or is Glenn flubbing this here?
If I recall correctly, McCain's post-Lieberman-whisper correction changed "Al Qaeda" to "Extremists" rather than, as Glenn says, "Shi'ite Extremists." There's certainly a big difference, as AQ is a possible subgroup of "Extremists", but would be excluded from the "Shi'ite Extremist" formulation. I remember McCain's statement as an obfuscation, just blurring his statement a bit so as not to catch as much flak; Glenn posits that McCain actually effectively retracted the AQ/Iran link...?
I think your dingalink is messed up -- it doesn't have Glenn talking.

McCain, after being corrected by Lieberman, just said "extremists;" i.e., with no "islamist" or "shiite" modifier, at least in this case: (CBS video)

Since he "misspoke" on other occasions as well, it's possible he added the modifier on those occasions, but the video I linked to is the one that seems to be the reference point for most of this coverage.
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Old 04-02-2008, 03:34 PM
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He said "extremists," but then he also specifically said, "NOT Al-Qa'ida"

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Old 04-02-2008, 06:58 PM
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And, adding to what Brendan and Abu Noor said, that was the whole point of the dustup: That Iran would help Shiite extremists, but not Sunni extremists.
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Old 04-02-2008, 03:15 PM
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Good pairing. I like Greenwald a lot, and Cox is the by far the best of the Swamplanders.

The big problem with it is that Cox clearly knows that Glenn is the most vitriolic scourge of the MSM from the liberal perspective, and her sense of tribal solidarity clearly overrides that part of her which has made many of the same criticisms as Greenwald. I guess it's good to the extent that it makes for more disagreement, but she seems to be going to great lengths to just oppose the DFH for its own sake.
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Old 04-02-2008, 03:47 PM
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Also, if McCain and Obama end up as the final nominees it will be interesting to see who gets the more favorable coverage since it has been the "perception" (wrongly or rightly) that the MSM is in the tank for both of them.
There are plenty of us who think the MSM has been in the tank just as much concerning Clinton. The most recent example is the "sniper fire" thing. This is a story she has been telling, at length, as part of her stump speech. I don't know how this isn't being labeled a fantasy or a lie. Instead, it is almost always referred to as "Clinton misspoke." This seems to me an awfully forgiving way to put it. This was not a slip of the tongue by any stretch.

Another example is the attitude on the part of most of the MSM in covering how "close" she is in the race. Until very recently, the typical horserace story did not reflect the extreme unlikelihood that she could catch Obama in the count of pledged delegates. Her wins on March 5 were treated as a huge change in momentum when, in fact, she netted only a few delegates. These gains were completely negated by the next couple of contests, another part of the race that was not prominently mentioned in the typical front page story. Only in the past couple of weeks has the reality of Obama's lead been admitted.

Final example: Clinton gets almost no critical coverage for her continued insistence that MI and FL count, or that they must have re-votes, or whatever. Stories reporting on the daily statements to this effect by Clinton and members of her campaign rarely include context; e.g., the fact that she agreed at the beginning of the campaign that those states were out of play.
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Old 04-02-2008, 04:48 PM
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There are plenty of us who think the MSM has been in the tank just as much concerning Clinton.
Interesting. My overall impression is that Clinton gets a negative treatment (often sexist) from both sides. The hardcore Republicans in the media hate her as if she were a criminal with a rap sheet a mile long; the liberals are pro-Obama across the board. Hillary's support comes from non-college-educated Dems and older women, which may be a majority in the country, but are a tiny minority in the media.

I say this as an Obama supporter and as someone who entirely agrees that her statements about Bosnia should be identified as "lies," not mistakes.
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Old 04-02-2008, 06:39 PM
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That was truly weird. Did Ana feel so personally attacked by Glenn that this unusual behaviour resulted? I haven't seen such defensive, unstructured and patronising communication in any BH divlog. And arrogant in a deeper sense- not just the valley girlish rolling of the eyes and ubiquitous quick put down- but the arrogance of one who appears closed to learning, closed to considering anothers opinion and challenging ones own assumptions.

Congrats to Glenn, for making a clear case and staying composed.
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Old 04-02-2008, 07:00 PM
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Interesting. My overall impression is that Clinton gets a negative treatment (often sexist) from both sides.
I agree -- and this still predominates, in my opinion, however I will say that I think the media has scaled back some of its open and outright hostility towards Clinton since the SNL skits that exposed them as the shills they are.
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Old 04-02-2008, 07:11 PM
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My overall impression is that Clinton gets a negative treatment (often sexist) from both sides.
There's something to that. There's also something to be said for her, and her campaign, having earned it. Not the sexist part, of course, just the negative treatment.

Yes, I do agree she suffers some sexist treatment. On the other hand, she gets a bit of an assist here, too, both from women who like her for being a woman and from both genders excessively worrying about appearing sexist.

Obama is in a similar boat -- he gets some kid-glove treatment from people who like him just for being black, or who fear seeming racist, and at the same time, gets a lot of unfair treatment that ranges from cryto-racist winking to blatant prejudice. The Wright controversy is certainly an illustration of that -- the MSM, never mind Fox, has never come anywhere near the coverage given Wright in treating all of the intolerance and incendiary remarks coming from white religious figures who play at politics.

Ultimately, I'd say it's a wash, regarding Clinton and Obama and their treatment at the hands of the MSM. The right-wing noise machine is probably equally unfair to both, too. The liberal media is split in lots of ways, but I could accept a claim that Obama, here, gets more favorable coverage overall. However, at this point, it's just that he's the preferred candidate and most of Clinton's antics lately are seen as destructive to the Democrats' chances overall.

Bottom line is: nobody gets the media love like St. John. I can only hope this diavlog is the beginning of a sorely needed pushback. Maybe Ana Marie, for example, will have had a seed planted in her mind by Glenn. Doubt it, but maybe.
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Old 04-02-2008, 10:09 PM
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Bottom line is: nobody gets the media love like St. John. I can only hope this diavlog is the beginning of a sorely needed pushback. Maybe Ana Marie, for example, will have had a seed planted in her mind by Glenn. Doubt it, but maybe.
As someone who has a visceral negative response to McCain, I find the notion of the media being "enamored of" him astonishing. It's disturbing enough that half the public is enamored of him independently of the media. We hopelessly fall head over heels in love with all flag-waving warlords, and obviously have not learned our lesson from Bush-Cheney. People find "Ba-ba-bomb Iran" charming and the 100-years war "pragmatic." It's sickening.

I'm also VERY suspect of the claim by Ana Marie that a journalist can be friends with a public figure and still report on him/her objectively. I lived in a country for 12 years where journalists were overly friendly with public figures, and it was an unmitigated and repulsive disaster. Glenn wins this argument hands down, whether it's about McCain or any other pol.
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Old 04-03-2008, 05:43 AM
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MSM = media SUPPORTING mccain?

Bloggingheads editors and Greenwald are both wrong.

The Media does like Mccain, but they don't support his candidacy, his positions, and his party.

Barack on the other hand...


For Republicans, if the want to be treated more fairly by the MSM, be more accessible. For democrats like obama, no need to follow that rule.
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Old 04-03-2008, 06:42 AM
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The only people in the world who think these AQ links are meaningful in any way are employed by NRO and the Weekly Standard, and therefore have enormous reputational capital invested in finding "Ahas!" proving that everybody they've ever advocated bombing is, or has been, connected to AQ. Are we eventually going to launch a war on ourselves for supporting OBL against the Soviets?
Or against WMD-posssessing Pakistan? :lol:
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Old 04-03-2008, 07:02 AM
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Or against WMD-posssessing Pakistan? :lol:
Or against the new Iraq for having a puppet gov't containing proteges of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard (a terrorist group now, don't forget)?

Or England for nurturing the 7/7 bombers and allowing them the benefit of state social services?

Or against France for granting Khomeini refuge in 1978 after he left Iraq?

Or against China for doing business with the Sudan and Burma?

Or for Columbia University for inviting Ahmedinejad to give a lecture?

It's lunacy.
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Old 04-03-2008, 10:33 AM
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Indeed. It's much better for a news outfit to pose as "fair and balanced" and launder its editorializing through a "no-spin zone", in order to maintain plausible deniability if accused of bias, and just matter-of-factly insist "we report; you decide."
Hillary supporter Ed Rendell said FOX was the fairest in covering Barack and Hillary.

I live outside the US and have been a regular Special Report w/ Hume watcher. I think they've been fair to the 3 remaining candidates.

as for the O'reilly factor, to criticize it for it's "bias" is just silly. it's an opinion program, and either you like his viewpoints or you don't, just like olberman and matthews. if you don't, then don't listen to his opinions.
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Old 04-03-2008, 11:21 AM
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Hillary supporter Ed Rendell said FOX was the fairest in covering Barack and Hillary.
Hard to believe you find any credibility in that. To your credit, you demonstrate awareness of Rendell's leanings. To your detriment, you appear to have ignored why he might have said that. Hint: endless looping of Wright clips, to the point where even Chris Wallace felt embarrassed. Of course Rendell is going to praise Fox -- they're a big help in wielding the hatchet.
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Old 04-03-2008, 01:20 PM
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as for the O'reilly factor, to criticize it for it's "bias" is just silly.
Silly? More like accurate, as you acknowledge.

What would be silly would be calling it fair and balanced.

Fox News is a cable news network based on the model of right-wing talk radio. Nothing more, nothing less. It's basically the Rush Limbaugh show.
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Old 04-03-2008, 01:41 PM
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How perspectives change when you recieve that cushy title at a mainstream magazine. Ana went from a blogger with an outsider looking in perspective to a traditional member of the media who doesn't care about any apperances of favoritism or conflict of interests. I'm glad she trusts herself to be objective but I as just a lowly member of the public don't and when I see you funning around with the people you're supposed to be keeping honest it creates a level of uneasiness. She basically said she doesn't care how it looks, like how dare we question her. I guess I'm just some idiot reader who does not understand journalism well enough to realize that all reporters never give friends the benefit of the doubt. I lost a lot of respect for her.
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Old 04-03-2008, 11:17 PM
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To your credit, you demonstrate awareness of Rendell's leanings. To your detriment, you appear to have ignored why he might have said that.
Because they hate both candidates?

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Any idea whether Greenwald ever responded to the charges?
He did, and he denied them. He says that some comments were left by his boyfriend, which explains the IP addresses.
a brazilian boyfriend who uses similar language like greenwald and writes like him?

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Old 04-03-2008, 11:31 PM
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Are you really citing Ace and Malkin as sources, as opposed to sources of unwitting humor (or in Michelle's case strangely unrepentant racism?)

Good grief, there are plenty of conservatives you could cite with some acquaintance with the idea of intellectual honesty.
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Old 04-03-2008, 11:52 PM
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Because they hate both candidates?
If you review what I said originally, you should see that wasn't what I was saying about Rendell. I was saying that he was happy to suck up to Fox because they're doing endless smears of Obama, which benefits Clinton, whom Rendell supports.

Stepping back a bit, I fail to see why you place so much stock in one statement made one time by one person. Is that supposed to convince me that there's anything credible about Fox News?

On Glenn Greenwald's alleged sockpuppetry: what AemJeff said. I don't place any stock in Ace or Hot Air. If you truly consider them legitimate sources, I feel sorry for you.
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Old 04-04-2008, 01:00 AM
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If you review what I said originally, you should see that wasn't what I was saying about Rendell. I was saying that he was happy to suck up to Fox because they're doing endless smears of Obama, which benefits Clinton, whom Rendell supports.
actually, hillary said FOX is fair even before the "Wright Smears" started.

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In a surprising admission, Hillary Clinton says Fox News Channel has actually been fairer to her presidential campaign than liberal MSNBC.

Clinton stated in an interview that aired on station WJLA in Washington, D.C., that her staff had delivered to her “some independent study” suggesting that “in terms of the fairness of the coverage,” Fox has treated her campaign more fairly than MSNBC.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/H.../12/72050.html

as for hotair and ace, they're the first search results from google. if they are lying about greenwald's sockpuppets and IPs, i'm sure the truth will out.
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Old 04-04-2008, 09:21 AM
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I won't claim that MSNBC is much more objective than Fox News, but you're making a leap here. You began by claiming, based on Rendell's statement, that Fox News, of all media outlets, provides the most fair coverage of the Democratic candidates. Now you're trying to buttress the claim by saying that Hillary thinks Fox is more fair than MSNBC.

On Google rankings and your belief that the truth will out, I think you have failed to acknowledge how hard it is to prove a negative. False accusations frequently stick for years, especially when there is a network of people determined to propagate the accusations. To illustrate: how many people still believe the Moon landings were faked or that the World Trade Center collapsed due to internally-placed explosives? Another illustration: your most recently cited source, NewsMax, still publishes stories suggesting that Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster

I think you have also assigned too much importance to Google rankings. Don't forget that Google first became widely known because the phrase "more evil than Satan himself" returned as its top result a pointer to microsoft.com. More recently, and perhaps closer to home, the top link for the phrase "miserable failure" pointed to whitehouse.gov. Am I now justified in saying "case closed" on Bill Gates and George W. Bush?
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Old 04-03-2008, 11:24 PM
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Silly? More like accurate, as you acknowledge.
It is silly to be offended by O'Reilly's "bias." Because's an opinion/debate show.

obviously, you don't watch foxnews and rely only on leftwing blogs like mediamatters for your information.
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Old 04-05-2008, 09:34 PM
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I found it fascinating that Cox repeatedly defended McCain by interpreting his remarks and motives by comparing him to her husband. Cozying up with political figures can inhibit powers of analysis, and also leads journalists to become defensive about their relationships-- interpreting motives and knowledge in the most positive light is not a reporter's job, and Cox's repeated protestations sometimes make the case for Greenwald better than he ever could.
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