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Old 01-28-2010, 08:55 AM
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Default Is civility in the blogosphere overrated? (AemJeff & Bobby G)

When originally posted this video included a bit of conversation that was inadvertently recorded after the diavloggers did their official sign-off. Apologies to AemJeff and Bobby G. for the editing error.
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Old 01-28-2010, 10:56 AM
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Oh, snap.
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Old 01-28-2010, 01:22 PM
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Oh, snap.
Who got told?
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Old 01-28-2010, 01:25 PM
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Who got told?
Brendan.
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Old 01-28-2010, 01:25 PM
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Brendan.
Oh, jeeze.
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Old 01-28-2010, 01:34 PM
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Oh, jeeze.
What the hell, Jeff?
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Old 01-28-2010, 01:41 PM
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What the hell, Jeff?
I hate to drag this out, because some folks have a disadvantaged position here, since the video has been trimmed. But I didn't think it was about "telling" at all, just a more concrete discussion of what we'd been talking about generally. I do understand that it's possible to disagree.
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Old 01-28-2010, 02:08 PM
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I hate to drag this out, because some folks have a disadvantaged position here, since the video has been trimmed. But I didn't think it was about "telling" at all, just a more concrete discussion of what we'd been talking about generally. I do understand that it's possible to disagree.
The beauty of it, Jeff, is that you both civilly expressed dismay at Brendan's completely unwarranted trashing of BN.

On another note, I understand that Brendan is a nice guy with a good heart, and he's only attempting to bring it in the Neanderthal manner of the Taibbi/Wonkette end of the leftosphere, with his exclamation points and 1s, his unbearably tedious shorters, his bigoted stance against Southerners (birf certificate), etc. But he's not bringing it, only being an insufferable bore, using this forum as his own personal litter box.

But what I think needs to be considered is that Brendan may have some Althouse in him...a need to be the center of attention, and right now he's probably enjoying this.
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Old 01-28-2010, 02:23 PM
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But what I think needs to be considered is that Brendan may have some Althouse in him...a need to be the center of attention, and right now he's probably enjoying this.
You do know how to hurt a guy, but as it happens, you're wrong.

[Added] You're wrong about this, too:

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... his bigoted stance against Southerners (birf certificate) ...
If I am bigoted, I am bigoted against bigots and other stupid people, but there is no geographic constraint. Writing birf cirtifikit is due to the limitations of the medium. It is a textual signifier that I am adopting a tone of voice for the purpose of satire or mockery, much as !!!1! is.

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Old 01-29-2010, 12:57 PM
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You do know how to hurt a guy, but as it happens, you're wrong.

[Added] You're wrong about this, too:



If I am bigoted, I am bigoted against bigots and other stupid people, but there is no geographic constraint. Writing birf cirtifikit is due to the limitations of the medium. It is a textual signifier that I am adopting a tone of voice for the purpose of satire or mockery, much as !!!1! is.

You don't like what I write, don't read it, but don't try to make it into more than it is.
And that's a load of bullshit. It's your prejudicial attempt to paint a broad swath of people with whom you disagree as ignorant, backward redneck hill-billies that you are so, so far above with all your fancy textual signifiers. You're nothing more than a cultural elitist who does not realize he is not all that.
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Old 01-29-2010, 01:03 PM
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OMG! our own civility experiment...
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Old 01-29-2010, 01:10 PM
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OMG! our own civility experiment...
With Brendan swirling in the center...color me surprised.
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Old 01-29-2010, 01:27 PM
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Brava. Kudos to you for exercising and exorcising (likely) your thoughts and feelings. Thankfully, you reacted before considering or rejected the construct proposed by Bobby G to keep your incivility in a private rather than public sphere.
My appreciation is not meant to convey agreement, just to say that I support your effort and courage. Your stock is now a strong buy in my portfolio (not that that matters a whit to anyone but me).

Is their a potential downside to such personal attacks? My guess is that you are using a tactic that you have witnessed often by other, if not most commenters. In my estimation, fighting fire with fire is reasonable, and even if not for the faint of heart -or philosophically inclined- has a place in pulic spheres.
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Old 01-29-2010, 01:54 PM
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Brava. Kudos to you for exercising and exorcising (likely) your thoughts and feelings. Thankfully, you reacted before considering or rejected the construct proposed by Bobby G to keep your incivility in a private rather than public sphere.
My appreciation is not meant to convey agreement, just to say that I support your effort and courage. Your stock is now a strong buy in my portfolio (not that that matters a whit to anyone but me).

Is their a potential downside to such personal attacks? My guess is that you are using a tactic that you have witnessed often by other, if not most commenters. In my estimation, fighting fire with fire is reasonable, and even if not for the faint of heart -or philosophically inclined- has a place in pulic spheres.
Only just now, graz? You're a real tonic for the ego.

As far as Bobby the Civil, it's not always what you say, but also what you do, and ignoring the posts of those making polite inquiries strikes me as the soul of incivility.

My overall take on the subject of civility is that the best exchanges avoid ad hominem and consist of clever repartee. Hitting below the belt signifies insecurity and a lack of emotional intelligence.
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Old 01-29-2010, 02:16 PM
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Only just now, graz? You're a real tonic for the ego.
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Old 01-29-2010, 02:34 PM
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Oh, graz. Thanks for making my day.
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Old 01-29-2010, 01:39 PM
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Old 01-29-2010, 02:05 PM
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TEXTUAL SIGNIFIER!!!1!
Ahhh, the time-worn and beloved tradition of ganging-up on the enemy. How refined.
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Old 01-29-2010, 02:26 PM
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Almost as time-worn as donning the victim cloak, crying "echo chamber" anytime more than one person disagrees with you and having no sense of humor.
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Old 01-29-2010, 02:56 PM
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Almost as time-worn as donning the victim cloak, crying "echo chamber" anytime more than one person disagrees with you and having no sense of humor.
I have no problem with more than one person disagreeing me, but I do have a problem when they don't do so directly.
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:24 PM
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Sorry you feel that way. But I reserve the right to employ satire in a public forum on occassion when I don't have the time or interest in having a full-on direct discussion of something.
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:33 PM
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Sorry you feel that way. But I reserve the right to employ satire in a public forum on occassion when I don't have the time or interest in having a full-on direct discussion of something.
Uh-huh.
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Old 01-29-2010, 04:45 PM
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Uh-huh.
Here's what everyone knows: Your objections are based on ideology, not civility. You applaud and encourage incivility when it's directed towards anyone who doesn't share your political prejudices.

Which is fine. Just be honest, because no one's falling for the lies.
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Old 01-29-2010, 05:40 PM
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Here's what everyone knows: Your objections are based on ideology, not civility. You applaud and encourage incivility when it's directed towards anyone who doesn't share your political prejudices.

Which is fine. Just be honest, because no one's falling for the lies.
My objections to piling on are based on good sportsmanship. But maybe it's just a feature of the progressive mindset.

I wonder how many examples you can find of me piling on?

Lies? I find the low level of emotional intelligence the most disturbing aspect of so-called progressive liberals.
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Old 01-29-2010, 04:01 PM
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Sorry you feel that way. But I reserve the right to employ satire in a public forum on occassion when I don't have the time or interest in having a full-on direct discussion of something.
If you came upon a group of people insulting someone else, would you just dogpile on?
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Old 01-29-2010, 04:21 PM
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Maybe. Or I might defend them. It would depend on a whole bunch of factors.
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:19 PM
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Almost as time-worn as donning the victim cloak, crying "echo chamber" anytime more than one person disagrees with you and having no sense of humor.
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In an online argument, the badder a wingnut gets his butt beat, the more likely they are to excoriate the butt-beater for using bad words.
I'm a lot more offended by somebody bullshitting me than I am by profanity.
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:35 PM
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Rick "Nixonland" Perlstein

I'm a lot more offended by somebody bullshitting me than I am by profanity.
That's surprising, coming from one of the biggest bullshitters on the board.
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:39 PM
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That's surprising, coming from one of the biggest bullshitters on the board.
Links please.
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:42 PM
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Links please.
http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/search...archid=1073302

(sorry, look: couldn't resist.)
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:47 PM
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If you guys actually think I'm bullshitting you then stop being cute and just come out with it.
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Old 01-29-2010, 04:15 PM
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If you guys actually think I'm bullshitting you then stop being cute and just come out with it.
clay, your posts have an unfortunate tendency towards calling people you disagree with "idiots" - and far worse.
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clay, your posts have an unfortunate tendency towards calling people you disagree with "idiots" - and far worse.
I disagree with tendency. And unfortunate. If somebody's playing dumb, trolling, or bullshitting me I'm not going to just play along like a sucker to score civility points.
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Old 01-29-2010, 04:38 PM
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I disagree with tendency. And unfortunate. If somebody's playing dumb, trolling, or bullshitting me I'm not going to just play along like a sucker to score civility points.
Nikkibong dreams of making the kinds of substantive contributions you make regularly and routinely.
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Old 01-29-2010, 04:43 PM
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Nikkibong dreams of making the kinds of substantive contributions you make regularly and routinely.
I'm sure he would if his C++ took as long to link as mine does.
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Old 01-29-2010, 05:27 PM
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I'm sure he would if his C++ took as long to link as mine does.
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Old 01-29-2010, 04:37 PM
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clay, your posts have an unfortunate tendency towards calling people you disagree with "idiots" - and far worse.
You should talk, Nikkibong. You're one of the most abrasive and obnoxious people on the board. And have been for a long time.
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Old 01-29-2010, 05:02 PM
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You should talk, Nikkibong. You're one of the most abrasive and obnoxious people on the board. And have been for a long time.
great quotes in history

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"You talk about yourself too much." - Megan McCardle

"You're one of the most abrasive and obnoxious people on the board." - Twinswords.
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Old 01-29-2010, 05:23 PM
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great quotes in history

"You need to treat women better." -Ted Bundy

"You talk about yourself too much." - Megan McCardle

"You're one of the most abrasive and obnoxious people on the board." - Twinswords.
Yes, I'm abrasive and obnoxious. But I'm not a hypocrite. Or a liar. Or kidding myself. Like you.

Also, I try to treat everyone well in one-on-one interaction, and there are several conservatives on the board who I respect and admire a great deal, first and foremost Bobby G, but also including Basman, mvantony, JonIrenicus, and others. My inflammatory language is reserved for conservatives in the abstract, with the exceptions of a few truly vile figures in this forum, such as your hero KS.
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Old 01-29-2010, 05:30 PM
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... But I'm not a hypocrite. Or a liar. Or kidding myself. Like you.

Also, I try to treat everyone well in one-on-one interaction,
keep 'em coming twin...you're making my day here.
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