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Old 01-07-2012, 09:09 PM
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OK,

I can live with the changes the Bhtv is pushing through. I've got to be believe it was a dollars and cents-type decision. As a good capitalist, I understand the economic imperative and all that.

And while I share the feelings of those who lament the switch to Disqus, or whatever it's called, still, I feel compelled to state for the record why the change is for the worse.

It comes down to the loss of intimacy. I have (had?) genuine relationships with a lot of the regulars here. As Nikkibong said in a post on the other site, the old comments section had the feel of a familiar neighborhood watering hole:

"Ah, look, there's Look, chipper as always. And there's iemJeff brooding under the dart board. I guess he and Sugarkang have been at it again. Relax guys, have a beer or a spritzer or whatever's your pleasure.

"I spy Ocean at the end of the bar, looking her usual, ravishing self. If I wink at her do you think she'll grace me with a coquettish smile?

"I see Don Zeko and Florian are teamed up against Badhat and Sulla -- and Wonderment?! What's up with that?

"No, Twin. I don't think Dubya's a war criminal. And you're not such a bad guy either -- you drive me nuts, but you're all right, when push comes to shove..."

That's what I'll miss. Here's to you all. [ADDED]: and to all those others too numerous to mention.
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:35 PM
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:48 PM
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Just what I've been waiting for!
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:37 PM
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OK,
I can live with the changes the Bhtv is pushing through. I've got to be believe it was a dollars and cents-type decision. As a good capitalist, I understand the economic imperative and all that.
Except no clear evidence confirms that money was an imperative force. Why employ faith when the case is before you for examination?

Not to say money wasn't an issue. But there is no evidence that scrapping vBulliten was the determinative factor in maintaining viability. Isn't it obvious that the tie-ins with the Atlantic and their system are the driving force in implementing an inferior commenting system?
Wouldn't a direct admission be welcome? Otherwise, it seems we are mere means to and end in the extension of the Bob Wright brand. It's all very contemporary, no?

Your lament about the loss of real connection with fellow commenters is an undeniable and irredeemable result of this unnecessary change.
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:47 PM
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Except no clear evidence confirms that money was an imperative force. Why employ faith when the case is before you for examination?

Not to say money wasn't an issue. But there is no evidence that scrapping vBulliten was the determinative factor in maintaining viability. Isn't it obvious that the tie-ins with the Atlantic and their system are the driving force in implementing an inferior commenting system?
Wouldn't a direct admission be welcome? Otherwise, it seems we are mere means to and end in the extension of the Bob Wright brand. It's all very contemporary, no?

Your lament about the loss of real connection with fellow commenters is an undeniable and irredeemable result of this unnecessary change.
You may be right, Graz. I hope not, but then again, it's spilled milk, etc., etc., etc.
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:52 PM
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You may be right, Graz. I hope not, but then again, it's spilled milk, etc., etc., etc.
The vBulletin software is still here, operable and paid for. No need to surrender.
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Old 01-07-2012, 10:37 PM
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The vBulletin software is still here, operable and paid for. No need to surrender.
Yes, that is the thing I don't understand. What was so bad about the old comment method compared to Disgus? If cost isn't the problem with VBulletin, why scrap it?
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Old 01-07-2012, 10:48 PM
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Yes, that is the thing I don't understand. What was so bad about the old comment method compared to Disgus? If cost isn't the problem with VBulletin, why scrap it?
VBulletin is superior in function, but it's a barrier to entry for new commenters. Most people visit multiple sites and new visitors may want to comment but don't want to sign up for registration to yet another site. Disqus lowers the cost of initial participation because people can login with any number of IDs they most likely will already have. Also, VBulletin doesn't seem to be updating, but Disqus will most likely evolve through continued development even if the features are somewhat barebones at present.
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Old 01-07-2012, 11:48 PM
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VBulletin is superior in function, but it's a barrier to entry for new commenters. Most people visit multiple sites and new visitors may want to comment but don't want to sign up for registration to yet another site. Disqus lowers the cost of initial participation because people can login with any number of IDs they most likely will already have. Also, VBulletin doesn't seem to be updating, but Disqus will most likely evolve through continued development even if the features are somewhat barebones at present.
I wonder if Bob could highlight the vbulletin section as a sort of inner sanctum
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Old 01-08-2012, 12:06 AM
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I wonder if Bob could highlight the vbulletin section as a sort of inner sanctum
Brenda says Bob could barely figure out how to log on. Maybe he can get one of his peeps on it?
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Old 01-08-2012, 12:31 AM
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Brenda says Bob could barely figure out how to log on. Maybe he can get one of his peeps on it?
Not interested in your horseshit, nor your insincere smilie. I'd think you'd be nicer to a person who has unbanned you at least three times.
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Old 01-08-2012, 12:34 AM
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Not interested in your horseshit, nor your insincere smilie. I'd think you'd be nicer to a person who has unbanned you at least three times.
get back!
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Old 01-08-2012, 05:30 PM
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Welcome back, asshole! I hope you understand that reference.
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Old 01-08-2012, 10:23 PM
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Welcome back, asshole! I hope you understand that reference.
lol yes, I understand. Thanks for the welcome!
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Old 01-08-2012, 10:35 PM
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lol yes, I understand. Thanks for the welcome!
We all remember, how can we not?

Yes, welcome, look, while it lasts.
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Old 01-08-2012, 10:43 PM
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We all remember, how can we not?
I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. SK is referring to an exchange we had in the past.
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Yes, welcome, look, while it lasts.
I think the news of the demise of vbulletin is greatly exaggerated. We can continue happily in our oasis here and act as Bob's ambassadors in Disqus.
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Old 01-08-2012, 11:01 PM
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I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. SK is referring to an exchange we had in the past.
We can fathom your pm's -- special moderater powers (spambuster) not essential. Everyone knows what your gossipmate is referring to. Your book is an easy read.

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I think the news of the demise of vbulletin is greatly exaggerated. We can continue happily in our oasis here and act as Bob's ambassadors in Disqus.
Clueless as usual.
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Old 01-08-2012, 11:08 PM
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We can fathom your pm's -- special moderater powers (spambuster) not essential. Everyone knows what your gossipmate is referring to. Your book is an easy read.
Sugarkang, do you think they're referring to what we're referring to? I really can't tell.
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:31 AM
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Sugarkang, do you think they're referring to what we're referring to? I really can't tell.
It's probably not worth thinking about.
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:04 PM
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It's probably not worth thinking about.
True. Old story. Closed chapter.
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Old 01-07-2012, 11:20 PM
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Yes, that is the thing I don't understand. What was so bad about the old comment method compared to Disgus? If cost isn't the problem with VBulletin, why scrap it?
No need to.

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... Disqus will most likely evolve through continued development even if the features are somewhat barebones at present.
Wishful thinking except for minor tweaks, not major functionality ... But you have a vested interest Perhaps they'll refund your donation.

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I'm willing to comply... for a price. Ahem, still waiting on my book.
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Old 01-07-2012, 11:46 PM
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Yes, that is the thing I don't understand. What was so bad about the old comment method compared to Disgus? If cost isn't the problem with VBulletin, why scrap it?
A big problem is security concerns related to maintaining the bridge between two different platforms (so that vbulletin replies would appear below the diavlog). This site was already seriously hacked at least once.

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... how often was it necessary to do that work of maintaining/updating the bridge between vBulletin and the videopage? When Bob first explained this, I assumed it was pretty infrequent. My impression was that redesigns were pretty rare things and that once the bridge was established for any given version of BhTV, it would be good to go for quite a while
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The lack of programming support for the bridge was a constant headache. We hadn't been able to upgrade vBulletin or our CMS for years. One of the most important reasons to stay current on upgrades is security (this isn't news to you, I'm sure), and we also missed out on lots of new site features that we'd have liked to incorporate.
http://brainwaveweb.com/forum/showth...?t=7289&page=2
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Old 01-08-2012, 12:01 AM
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A big problem is security concerns related to maintaining the bridge between two different platforms (so that vbulletin replies would appear below the diavlog). This site was already seriously hacked at least once.

http://brainwaveweb.com/forum/showth...?t=7289&page=2
Don't need a bridge. Keep um separated.
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Old 01-08-2012, 12:24 AM
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:46 PM
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OK,
in case you haven't noticed I'm ravishing, too...in a kick your ass kinda way.
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:55 PM
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in case you haven't noticed I'm ravishing, too...in a kick your ass kinda way.
I don't doubt it, on either count. I've always pictured you as a sort of righty Pat Benetar!

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Old 01-07-2012, 11:50 PM
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I don't doubt it, on either count. I've always pictured you as a sort of righty Pat Benetar!
Well, I think harry's personal anthem may be 'Hit Me With Your Best Shot.'
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Old 01-09-2012, 02:36 AM
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Whose ass have you ever kicked, your chihuahua's? You're completely fucking deluded. You're a legend in your own brain, there is no mind there, it was taken away at the time of the lobotomy.
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Old 01-09-2012, 10:47 AM
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Whose ass have you ever kicked, your chihuahua's? You're completely fucking deluded. You're a legend in your own brain, there is no mind there, it was taken away at the time of the lobotomy.
I could kick your ass all over the place, old man. Come on over some time I'll show you.

PS. Your momma's so fat she wears combat boots.
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Old 01-11-2012, 03:42 PM
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I could kick your ass all over the place, old man. Come on over some time I'll show you.

PS. Your momma's so fat she wears combat boots.
Hahahaha, hahahaha, hahahaha, hahaha, (check it out 4 ha's to the comma much hipper then 2 bar phrasing( if there's not rhyme to my reasoning, there's rhythm to my madness)) "give them hell harry".

you are a, uh, credit to your race(is race just a social construct??), especially the lower classes(don't get me wrong, some of my best friends are red-necks(the more bumper-stickers the better))!

remember, us po-folks got to stick together! uh, power to the people!!

Hahahaha, hahahaha, hahahaha, hahahaha, Duke said, "it don't mean a thing if it aint got that swing"!!!
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Old 01-11-2012, 07:50 PM
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Duke said, "it don't mean a thing if it aint got that swing"!!!
doo-ah, doo-ah, doo-ah, doo-ah, doo-ah, doo-ah, doo-ah, doo-ah

which upon further investigation turns out to be very similiar to:

Hahahaha, hahahaha, hahahaha, hahahaha
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you are " too cool"!! no wonder the JAMF's hate you????
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you are " too cool"!! no wonder the JAMF's hate you????
WTF, "po-folks"? Who's a JAMF?
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WTF, "po-folks"? Who's a JAMF?
Jive-ass mutha <shut yo' mouth> I think sasa is referring to us, among others.
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Jive-ass mutha <shut yo' mouth> I think sasa is referring to us, among others.
Not only am I Spartacus ... I am ... also, too ... a jive-ass mutha fu@#$r
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Not only am I Spartacus ... I am ... also, too ... a jive-ass mutha fu@#$r
I embrace the irony.
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Jive-ass mutha <shut yo' mouth> I think sasa is referring to us, among others.
Sorry, clarification: Who's being a JAMF (now)?
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Sorry, clarification: Who's being a JAMF (now)?
Sorry handle, it was me who didn't immediately get the reference. I figured if I had to look it up, I might as well provide the definition for everyone else.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:25 PM
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Sorry handle, it was me who didn't immediately get the reference. I figured if I had to look it up, I might as well provide the definition for everyone else.
No problemo, it's just nice we are still here. I was thinking of starting a thread called "stick a fork in it" and suggest that we call this forum "outside" so when things get to deep for disquis, we could "take it outside", in hopes to draw more discussion here. I was even considering becoming civil, but we all have our limits.
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No problemo, it's just nice we are still here. I was thinking of starting a thread called "stick a fork in it" and suggest that we call this forum "outside" so when things get to deep for disquis, we could "take it outside", in hopes to draw more discussion here. I was even considering becoming civil, but we all have our limits.
The first forum I was ever involved in had a thread called "Outside" so that if discussions got heated or off-topic (or both, usually) in another thread, participants could be requested to "take it Outside."

The Outside thread was the home of some of the best discussions and devoted participants, as well as plenty of stupid insult exchanges, of course.
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