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Old 12-31-2011, 01:59 AM
whburgess whburgess is offline
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Default Re: The Bromance (John McWhorter & Glenn Loury)

Originally Posted by TwinSwords View Post
Maybe this is news to you. Maybe you haven't interacted with enough Ron Paul people, or maybe you don't know enough real libertarians, but hatred of democracy and a belief that the government should almost entirely be eliminated is standard fare among the Ron Paul types. It is Ron Paul, the Rothbardian Libertarians, and the Ron Paul followers who go around insisting, constantly, that "the US is not a democracy; it's a Republic." That particular search query returns over 1 million results, so this should not be news to anyone.

The basic Rothbarian idea, embraced in total by Ron Paul, is that almost everything the government does is illegal. So, yes, you could still vote, but it would be a mere formality, because the courts in Ron Paul's idea of a properly functioning system would smash any legislation that exceeded the bounds of a very limited conception of constitutionality.

Here's Ayn Rand acolyte and libertarian thinker Leonard Peikoff on democracy:

"The American system is a constitutionally limited republic, restricted to the protection of individual rights. In such a system, majority rule is applicable only to lesser details, such as the selection of certain personnel. But the majority has no say over the basic principles governing the government. It has no power to ask for or gain the infringement of individual rights."

You seem to take offense at the idea that we are a constitutional republic rather then simple democracy. But everyone, (except you, I suppose) agrees with this. Even every left wing, big government liberal I've ever talked to (except you, I suppose) will agree, in principle, that there are individual rights, enumerated in the constitution, which no vote by the majority can infringe upon. Most people from all political sides of the spectrum agree with this, in principle; the disagreements are in how this applies to particular issues.

As those constitutional republicans like to say: A simple democracy is two lions and a lamb deciding whats for dinner.
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