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Old 01-25-2012, 03:04 PM
JonIrenicus JonIrenicus is offline
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Default Re: SOPA, Keystone XL and NDAA

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So this is an attitude problem, thank god. For a minute there I thought the scientists were saying we were f'ing with the atmosphere. And that cooking up oil sands was double bad. Boy was I wrong! More people, more stuff, don't be a defeatist bummer.
The attitude problem mainly effects policy, and the delusion is that the climate change incurred by global warming is the biggest thing we need to worry about. If that is what you believe then it makes much more sense to ignore the added costs of higher transportation costs, slower growth, and retarded development of the third world.

It would be one thing if we already had an alternative for our current transportation needs and it was mainly an issue of speeding up the process of switching people over to cleaner tech... I guess you can say hybrid subsidies are just that, but the real goal is zero emission transportation, and that is not here en masse yet.

You know that, all of you KNOW that, so why are you opposed to continuing to develop the infrastructure we still need to utilize? Getting this delayed was nothing more than a petulant protest vote against oil that serves no purpose but to make certain groups feel better about themselves. It does nothing to stop extraction of oil from the tar sands in Canada, it can't do that, because we still need oil.

And here is the truth the enviro catastrophe nutters cannot accept, the benefits we gain from utilizing oil, dirty and filthy that it is, FAR outweigh any problems with global warming and climate change in the foreseeable future.

Take a look at this Bill Mckibben interview:


a bit after the halfway point its mentioned that the alberta sands are the second largest pool of oil in the world behind Saudi Arabia. Bill says it made sense to go plunder the oil from Saudi Arabia before we knew about climate change but that to do that again would be crazy...

So let me get this straight Bill/rest of you enviro catastrophists. If we DID know about the impacts of climate change from burning oil back then, we would have been BETTER off by just leaving that oil in the ground? really?

That seems to be the thought process this man and many others have. And it's crazy.
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