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Old 12-09-2011, 02:28 PM
stephanie stephanie is offline
 
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Default Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

More for ledocs (and just because this seemed a good place to put it).

Jeffrey Goldberg:

Peter Beinart is right -- or a one-state solution is inevitable if settlements continue.

I agree with the broader point, but it's here for the following comment:

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And if Israelis believe that the vast majority of American Jews -- their most important supporters in the entire world -- are going to sit idly by and watch Israel permanently disenfranchise a permanently-occupied minority population, they're deluding themselves. A non-democratic Israel will not survive in this world. It's an impossibility. So Israel has a choice -- find a way to reverse the settlement process and bring about the conditions necessary to see the birth of a Palestinian state (I'm for unilateral closure of settlements but the military occupation's end will have to be negotiated with the Palestinians) or simply grant the Palestinians on the West Bank the right to vote in Israeli elections.
(I don't think Mead would call Goldberg anti-semitic.)

Following this, is a post by Ackerman who seems to have misunderstood the "Israel Lobby" thing in much the way Mead was perhaps warning it lent itself to (although he did not himself misunderstand it as Ackerman seems to here):

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This is why conspiratorial talk about the Israel Lobby seriously misses the point. The U.S. relationship with Israel is not determined by a narrow band of colluding Washington, New York and Hollywood Jews. It’s not even determined by Jews, full stop. It thrives because one of the most powerful constituencies in American politics, conservative Christians, identifies with Israel — and not with politicians who question it. You can see that, barometrically, in the GOP presidential debates, in which the candidates line up to outdo each other in vowing support for Israel and bashing Obama for his insufficient affection for Israel.
Then Larison makes the point about the "Israel Lobby" being more inclusive than many assume:

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Ackerman’s bigger mistake here is to think that the people making arguments about “the Israel Lobby” are unaware of the influence of Christian Zionists on Republican politics. Ackerman mentions Hagee in his post. Hagee’s organization, Christians United for Israel (CUFI), is a significant part of what can be termed “the Israel Lobby” since it is an advocacy organization specifically dedicated to supporting what it defines as “pro-Israel” policies.
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