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Old 11-27-2011, 11:06 AM
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Default Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

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Originally Posted by ledocs View Post
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Secondly, it is my belief that military strategy and intelligence considerations must be playing a large part in the special relationship between the US and Israel, but many of those considerations are largely secret and rarely talked about with any candor in public. Insofar as they exist, they are largely opaque to the public.

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Glenn's question, a perfectly reasonable one, is how can it be that the US appears to put its greatest interest in the Middle East, namely oil, at risk, by pursuing an Israel policy that does not seem consonant with this principle interest? And the next question is, insofar as there is a mystery to be explained here, does the existence of an Israel lobby, in which Jewish organizations play a large role, help to explain the apparent mystery?
Correct, IMO.

It's always seemed to me that the US-Israel relationship is a marriage of convenience, which at times goes really sour. Each party is trying to get the most out of the deal. Sometimes they manage their mutual interests well, but sometimes they clash. But that's kept behind their bedroom doors.

To make things more difficult, the extended family participates in the dynamics of the marriage quite a bit. There are the pro-Israel hawks Jewish and non-Jewish Americans. There are the pro-Israel but Palestine sensitive Jewish and non-Jewish Americans. There are the lobbying and activist groups. Political figures whose primary interest is to maintain a steady flow of support for their campaigns. Arab countries and their influence. Oil power, inside and outside the US. International community. Leftovers of the Western versus pro-Soviet tensions. And god knows what else.

Even if we don't have access to the secret aspects of the equation, which are mostly quantitative aspects (how much influence is exerted by each of those), at least we could have a discussion about the multiple players and a rough estimate about their influence.


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So the other possibility is that there is an "innocent" explanation for the feeling, namely that there is something else going on in American politics that explains US policy towards Israel, something that has nothing to do with the American Jewish community. And that is quite probable, but it does not answer the question of what American policy towards Israel would be like in the absence of the Israel lobby, and of the Jewish portion of that lobby, on the assumption that such a lobby exists. Put positively, it does not answer the question of the extent of the power and influence exerted by the alleged lobby. [...]
Yes, again, the something else that explains what's going on as above.


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I just get the feeling that he's off the deep end on this anti-Semitism thing, for whatever reason.
Yes, me too.
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