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Old 03-31-2009, 10:57 PM
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Bob described BhTV's Apollo Project in his diavlog with Mickey on March 31. What do you think?
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Old 04-01-2009, 04:45 AM
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If you have not yet watched Bob and Mickey's latest diavlog and don't know what the Apollo Project is, you can hear Bob describe it at this dingalink.

Personally, I think it's a great idea, and I hope at least a few of BHTV's commenters take Bob up on the offer. My concern is that forum dwellers tend to be introverts — not exactly the kind of person who is itching to appear before the world on camera.

The success of the Apollo Project depends, I think, on finding those (few?) commenters who are at the more extroverted end of the personality spectrum. Hopefully BHTV's forum is atypical and has a higher than usual proportion of extroverted commenters, because there are a lot of people here who have great minds, excellent insight, and many interesting things to say.
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Old 04-01-2009, 10:45 AM
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If you have not yet watched Bob and Mickey's latest diavlog and don't know what the Apollo Project is, you can hear Bob describe it at this dingalink.

Personally, I think it's a great idea, and I hope at least a few of BHTV's commenters take Bob up on the offer. My concern is that forum dwellers tend to be introverts — not exactly the kind of person who is itching to appear before the world on camera.

The success of the Apollo Project depends, I think, on finding those (few?) commenters who are at the more extroverted end of the personality spectrum. Hopefully BHTV's forum is atypical and has a higher than usual proportion of extroverted commenters, because there are a lot of people here who have great minds, excellent insight, and many interesting things to say.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that it requires extroverts. Just people comfortable enough in their skin to stay focused on the task, rather than overworrying the presentation.
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Old 04-01-2009, 12:29 PM
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I wouldn't go so far as to say that it requires extroverts. Just people comfortable enough in their skin to stay focused on the task, rather than overworrying the presentation.
That's true. I think more extroverts fit that description than non-extroverts, but I agree participation would not require an extroverted personality.

So how about it, Jeff,are you going to volunteer?
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Old 04-01-2009, 12:55 PM
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That's true. I think more extroverts fit that description than non-extroverts, but I agree participation would not require an extroverted personality.

So how about it, Jeff,are you going to volunteer?
I volunteered for the testing part of the project. More directly, I'm open to the idea, and I'm far from being afraid of making a fool of myself - but I'm not sure I'd really be an ideal choice. So it's an open question.
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Old 04-01-2009, 04:51 PM
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It sounds like a great idea to me. There are some good discussions here in the forums that would be even better and quicker to access if they were just conversations. I don't know what percentage of BhTV viewers regularly or semi-regularly read through the comments sections, but for those of us who do, there are also many commenters whom we respect and feel like we "know" and would be very curious to see them discussing issues.
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Old 04-01-2009, 04:57 PM
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I also like this idea.
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Old 04-01-2009, 06:38 PM
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I also like this idea.
You'd be a great candidate to participate, with your vast wealth of knowledge.

I hope Abu Noor participates, too.
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Old 04-01-2009, 07:03 PM
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Thanks very much, TS. I'd be more likely to participate if we had avatars rather than showed our faces, though. I have a job working for the state, after all.
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Old 04-01-2009, 07:13 PM
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Thanks very much, TS. I'd be more likely to participate if we had avatars rather than showed our faces, though. I have a job working for the state, after all.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I work for an extremely conservative major corporation, in a very conservative town. I've had bosses who would think nothing of firing me for being a Democrat.

Bob did say avatars were possible. I'm pretty sure there is software that will substitute the video with an animated avatar.
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Old 04-01-2009, 07:16 PM
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I work for an extremely conservative major corporation, in a very conservative town. I've had bosses who would think nothing of firing me for being a Democrat.
How completely horrible. I was just talking about losing respect from my colleagues and students, not being fired. (Though perhaps not getting tenure.)
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Old 04-01-2009, 07:17 PM
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How completely horrible. I was just talking about losing respect from my colleagues and students, not being fired. (Though perhaps not getting tenure.)
Yeah, it does kind of suck.
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Old 04-01-2009, 12:15 PM
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Personally, I think it's a great idea, and I hope at least a few of BHTV's commenters take Bob up on the offer. My concern is that forum dwellers tend to be introverts — not exactly the kind of person who is itching to appear before the world on camera.
As a guy who is occasionally prone to bouts of loud-mouthery, showmanship, acting, and - ok, I'll admit it - karaoke, I'm not sure that I agree with this characterization. Just because some people enjoy expressing themselves in online forums does not mean they don't like to express themselves elsewhere.

My concern with the Apollo Project is with its rather elitist attitude; pitting 'true' bloggingheads against 'amateurs.' I dare say many of our commenters offer more expertise on a wider range of subjects than many of the prolific 'heads . . .

It's long been a dream of mine to appear on bh.tv, but not as a lowly, amateur commenter . . .
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Old 04-01-2009, 12:37 PM
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As a guy who is occasionally prone to bouts of loud-mouthery, showmanship, acting, and - ok, I'll admit it - karaoke, I'm not sure that I agree with this characterization. Just because some people enjoy expressing themselves in online forums does not mean they don't like to express themselves elsewhere.

My concern with the Apollo Project is with its rather elitist attitude; pitting 'true' bloggingheads against 'amateurs.' I dare say many of our commenters offer more expertise on a wider range of subjects than many of the prolific 'heads . . .

It's long been a dream of mine to appear on bh.tv, but not as a lowly, amateur commenter . . .
Heh, you do come across as an extrovert in the forum. Uncle Eb is another I feel sure is extroverted. And I didn't mean to suggest that everyone who spends a lot of time on forums is introverted, nor do I have data, but still, I feel sure it's true, and if it is, it may hinder recruiting. Which is why you should sign up to be a regular. Maybe Bob'll let you graduate to A-list after a couple episodes. Think of it as the farm team. :-)
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Old 04-02-2009, 04:12 AM
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Twin, it's all relative. Compared to people who aren't comfortable getting onstage and performing in public, I'm an extrovert. But compared to most musicians (who are all look-at-me and want to be in the spotlight), I'm definitely more of an introvert.

I don't think I'd be very good at this. I'm terrible at remembering facts/names etc off the top of my head. And I usually have to think a bit before I post. I don't know how valuable my off-the-cuff remarks would be.

I rather enjoy my spot in the peanut gallery, as it is. But I'd love to watch some of you guys try it.
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Old 04-01-2009, 09:16 AM
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This is a small step for bhtv, but it would be a giant leap for most commenters. I suspect most don't have the right stuff to be on camera. On the other hand, I'd enjoy seeing some of the more strongly opinionated commenters brought down to earth in a shower of their own flaming rhetoric.
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Old 04-01-2009, 10:42 AM
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This is a small step for bhtv, but it would be a giant leap for most commenters. I suspect most don't have the right stuff to be on camera. On the other hand, I'd enjoy seeing some of the more strongly opinionated commenters brought down to earth in a shower of their own flaming rhetoric.
That sounds like a challenge! Will you take the same step?
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Old 04-02-2009, 12:59 PM
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No thank you. I'm too smart to turn on the camera. ;-)
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Old 04-01-2009, 12:40 PM
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This is a small step for bhtv, but it would be a giant leap for most commenters. I suspect most don't have the right stuff to be on camera. On the other hand, I'd enjoy seeing some of the more strongly opinionated commenters brought down to earth in a shower of their own flaming rhetoric.
ROFL. I imagine you would have the option to not upload the video if you thought better of it afterwards.
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Old 04-01-2009, 05:18 PM
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Disclaimer: I have no technical knowledge about what I'm suggesting.

Idea that's essentially video comments in the bh.tv video frame.


How about the two-sided diavlog frame we all love, with each successive video comment playing on alternating sides to make one video thread.

The alternating sides makes a visual back-and-forth to emphasize the conversation aspect that makes bh.tv stand out. The viewer could just click play and watch the back-and-forth.

It would be nice if the video commenter could upload their clip and view it in the bh.tv video player and pare it down with the little editing carrots, possibly check the volume, or make sure they are centered in the frame, before posting it to a video thread. With this I think users would quickly be posting clean clips that won't test the patience of viewers.

While a video comment is playing on one side, on the other side you might desire something better than a freeze frame of the last commenter... perhaps text stating the subject line of the previous video comment or the overall topic.

This format is not conducive to branching like the regular comment threads, but I think the restriction is a good thing for conversation. This is bad in general though because each new clip has to go on the end of the line, and yeah... you record and ready a clip only to have the conversation move by new posts while you were readying your response to a now out-dated segment.

Possible fix: while one comment is going on one side of the diavlog frame, the other side could display little links to replies to the currently playing comment. So while Aemjeff is talking on the left side of the frame, on the right side I can see that Bjkeefe, Ebeneezer, and Wonderment have responded. I can then click on one of them and go down that path.
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Old 04-01-2009, 06:25 PM
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i think you guys have to do it just, at least, to be the first site to do this format....if, in fact, you are the first. that would be so weird to finally see what some of these people look like. i would never do it myself because i don't have a camera or the ability to argue live but i'd definitely watch.
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Old 04-01-2009, 06:40 PM
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i think you guys have to do it just, at least, to be the first site to do this format....if, in fact, you are the first. that would be so weird to finally see what some of these people look like. i would never do it myself because i don't have a camera or the ability to argue live but i'd definitely watch.
For sure. I think it'd be a big hit. And a good way to get visibility for the aspiring pundit.
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Old 04-01-2009, 07:06 PM
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One great possibilities for this project is that some of the commenters' true identities will finally be revealed! From the first Apollo Project 'vlog, we present:


Lyle



Wonderment




Kidneystones


and . . .


denillesteve
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Old 04-01-2009, 09:38 PM
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One great possibilities for this project is that some of the commenters' true identities will finally be revealed!
I already have an identity, thank you very much, you socialist fuck!
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:36 AM
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Disclaimer: I don't own a video camera, and I wouldn't buy one just for the Apollo Project.

I'm concerned about the technical difficulties Wright discussed. bhTV still has recurring problems in diavlogs occasionally. Adding the video comment format might swamp the staff and drag down the comments and diavlogs. Or, it's possible that the challenges could help raise the staff's game. Generally, I think it's more hassle for little payback.

I also must say I don't generally watch YouTube video comments (or most comments at all). I often only listen to bh diavlogs. There's nothing intrinsically appealing about video that would attract me to the boards more than typing. Video consumes so much bandwidth and other resources, that I think video commenting is just for spoiled narcissists. I'd listen to bhTV if it went stereo-only, depending on the cast of interlocutors. I'm the type of person who reads transcripts after listening to podcasts and watching Meet the Press. I'd like to see bhTV issue transcripts. And, admittedly, I'm just tight with money. If someone wants to buy me a camera, thanks!

Don't bribe me with an addiction I don't have, Bob! I've made my peace with the fact you or your staff don't think my suggestions are useful, but this idea just seems frivolous Just keep the debate going, increase the number of diavlogs, and broaden the topical scope.

Now, if Mickey were to field comments live on video, I might buy a camera and enter the fray!

Oh, and more doggie videos! My wife adores your dog!

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Old 04-02-2009, 04:29 AM
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Would love to join in (so long as I can use an avatar - I hate cameras!), but as I live outside the US (in New Zealand - the other side of the world) I don't know how it would work logistically (time zones etc).

Sounds like an absolutely brilliant idea though - I would love to see it up and running!
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Old 04-02-2009, 09:57 AM
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Bob described BhTV's Apollo Project in his diavlog with Mickey on March 31. What do you think?
Here is a response from your resident curmudgeon.

Let me start with a disclaimer, which I hope you and other readers will keep in mind as you all encounter things that may annoy further down: I don't like, as a matter of principle, to pour cold water on a new idea from Bh.tv Central before the idea has had a chance to be tested. I have held off on posting my negative reactions for a day or so because of this. I finally decided to say my piece, since Bob asked for immediate feedback.

So much for the preliminaries.

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On the other hand, I'd enjoy seeing some of the more strongly opinionated commenters brought down to earth in a shower of their own flaming rhetoric.
This early response articulates one of the reservations I have about the Project Apollo idea. I suspect that many who will support the idea are interested mostly in spectacle, where they'll be rooting for freak shows and train wrecks, and that the whole thing is going to amount to nothing more than a high school popularity contest. This smacks of cheap voyeurism, and is not what I'd call elevating the discourse.

I also think there is a lot to what Mickey said in the diavlog where this idea was first broached, about the value of Bh.tv's diavlogs supposedly being that they present the most worthwhile voices available. While some of the commenters here have lots of interesting and thoughtful stuff to say, and certainly appeal more than some of those who mysteriously keep getting slots, I still wonder how much more they can bring on camera beyond what they already contribute to the forums. I note that few of the better commenters here offer links to their own blogs where they offer additional substantive commentary or analysis (NB: I do not think of my own little slice of the Web as substantive), so I fear that they've said all they care to say in the forums. Or perhaps most of the better ones are interested in maintaining a pseudonymous identity on this site, separate from what else they do in life, for whatever reason. In either case, I fear that those whom I'd most care about hearing from are going to be replaced on camera by others whom I don't. I look to Bh.tv to present people who know more a lot more about things than I do. I wish more time and energy would be spent on broadening the base of topics covered, beyond here's-how-I-feel political chatter. I fail to see how having the commenters do diavlogs gives a good chance of accomplishing either.

On a visceral level, my reaction to this idea comes from my deep dislike for vox pop interviews on the news, radio shows that let listeners call in, reality TV, 98% of all comments posted on the Internet, and in general, everything that smacks of amateur hour.

Plus, I prefer reading to watching video -- it's much more efficient way of transmitting information, and I can filter and control the pacing far better than a fast-forward button will ever support. It is also usually the case that complex ideas are more clearly articulated when they are written down, rather than spoken extemporaneously.

Finally, more details on my most serious objection: To the extent that effort spent on producing Project Apollo detracts from the effort of booking the many other people we've said we'd like to see (or see return, in some cases), I am opposed. To the extent that the possible distraction dilutes the effort to broaden the topic areas covered, I vote against. I think Bh.tv too often relies on regulars who have run out of new things to say, and I frequently chafe that so many of the diavlogs are just partisan bickering about momentary political tempests. I don't see why we can't have more than one science-related diavlog per week, for example. I don't see why we can't have a regular feature on hard-core technology issues, for another. I'd like more academics to come on to talk about their specialities, in both policy and cultural realms, for a third. And so on.

All that said, I'm fairly sure I'm in the minority on this, and I am well aware that all but one of my objections are easily dismissed with a simple "No one is forcing you to participate." To the remaining one: if Apollo is truly going to be run by someone separate, as Bob hinted, and will therefore not seriously undermine efforts to improve the site along its existing paths, then maybe it's not a serious worry.

As I said at the beginning, I don't want to come off as disparaging. I have no objection to giving the project a shot and I'm not going to say anything more against it until we've had a chance to see how it plays out. But since immediate reactions were sought, I decided to share my misgivings. Take them for what they're worth.
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Old 04-02-2009, 10:29 AM
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I concur with your opinion. I'm impressed with your thoughtfulness, and believe it's more than the proposal deserves. I'm actually dismayed that Bob would consider this proposal seriously. I've become a little less enamored with bhTV as my schedule competes with reading, blogging, and other projects. BhTv needs to commit itself to excellence, and this is not the measure I would ever have devised.

I also think, that in a recession, where the utility and value of companies and policies, etc. are reconsidered, abusing bandwidth with frivolous video is wasteful. bhTv should become leaner, more environmentally efficient, and set a standard for both erudition and business acumen.

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Old 04-02-2009, 11:44 AM
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I concur with your opinion. I'm impressed with your thoughtfulness, and believe it's more than the proposal deserves. I'm actually dismayed that Bob would consider this proposal seriously.
I want to make clear that I am not dismayed by this. The current fashion on the Web is user participation, and there is always the (long shot, in my view) chance that lowering the barriers to entry could expose someone valuable whom we'd never have had a chance to find out about otherwise. So, I say give it a shot, but I'm skeptical, and please don't let neglect the effort of continuing to improve what we already know is good and distinct about this site. But I'm not dismayed. Trying new things is worthwhile.
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Old 04-02-2009, 08:25 PM
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I also think, that in a recession, where the utility and value of companies and policies, etc. are reconsidered, abusing bandwidth with frivolous video is wasteful.
hmmm yeah, wouldn't want to slow down someone's porn download with worthless crap like someone's thoughts.

I agree that this seems unlikely to generate much quality content. but I am OK with train wrecks and spectacles, so if people want to give it a try - go for it. I really don't see much downside.
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Old 04-02-2009, 08:35 PM
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hmmm yeah, wouldn't want to slow down someone's porn download with worthless crap like someone's thoughts.
Thank you for demonstrating why I no longer bother to comment.

I'm satisfied my opinion is on the record. I can only add, that if in the future, the Internet is metered and charges for content is itemized, I would probably not pay for video content from this site, but I would more likely pay for audio content. I would also prefer to pay only for discreet topics, not entire diavlogs. If possible, I think written transcripts should be cheaper than video or audio content. I would not pay for the Boards, whether video or not.

Props to booksofdisquiet and bjkeefe for two of the best comments ever on any topic. I do hope bhTV proves me wrong.
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Old 04-02-2009, 09:01 PM
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I agree with book's great post. I know that pro pundits can look each other in the face and completely disregard each other, but that's why they get the big bucks. I think it'd be harder for amateurs to avoid taking each other seriously, at least at first.
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Old 04-02-2009, 09:06 PM
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It could be an "Intellectualoid Gong Show"
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Old 04-16-2009, 02:03 PM
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Thank you for demonstrating why I no longer bother to comment.
if only that were true, moron.
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Old 04-16-2009, 07:39 PM
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...if only that were true, moron.
Is that supposed to be an attempt at wit? Why can't you just express your exact opinion? I don't comment as often as others who have been a part of the bh community as long as I have. And, it's comments like yours that cause me to reconsider every time I do feel the masochistic urge to participate.

Now, what exactly is your beef?
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Old 04-16-2009, 08:15 PM
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you're the one starting a beef.

you said posting videos will take up valuable bandwidth with repercussions to the economy.

I pointed out that that is silly because these videos will never take up even .00001% of the bandwidth taken up by truly useless crap like porn, so it does not seem like a valid concern. (expressed in a snarky way, admittedly)

you then stated that comments like mine are why you don't post.

your statement was an insult that never addressed what i said, and happened to be a lie.

now, as to "what i truly think" - it is that you made a ridiculous argument, i pointed that out, and you descended in to a little hissy fit. I honestly thought you might defend your idea instead being a cry baby. live and learn.
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Old 04-16-2009, 09:01 PM
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WTF are you arguing? Porn? Did I miss a new bh feature? The question doesn't the Internet as a whole, but bhTv itself. I would like bhTv to remain free, but I doubt it will, as I doubt most of the business on the Internet will continue providing free content. I argued I would not pay for video, but i would pay for audio podcasts, Financing just the diavlogs will be a challenge, but clogging the peipes with video comments is frivolous. And, in a situation like mine where my bandwidth is constrained by living on a island in a country with pa few pipes already straning to provide broadband, I don't want to receive video and risk freezing my connection. Or, have to pay more for more bandwidth. Even if the future doesn't have this economy in store for us, I still think it's prudent to conserve bandwidth. It's like water: charging for scarce resources is good for conservation.

You sound just my bosses who encourage me to take the company car and snicker that I take the monthly transportation allowance and walk or take buses and subways. You free-ride on a bad model, and then you criticize others for not sharing your addiction. At least my bosses a getting a kickback for every car issued. What are you getting for you advocacy?
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Old 04-17-2009, 12:35 PM
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WTF are you arguing? Porn? Did I miss a new bh feature? The question doesn't the Internet as a whole, but bhTv itself.
the pipes that carry bhtv also carry everything else on the internet. saying that more videos from bhtv will clog up those pipes is ridiculous when you look at the volume of information flowing through those pipes. and a lot of that info is....porn! and other useless junk. so i can not see any reason to be concerned about it.

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I would like bhTv to remain free, but I doubt it will, as I doubt most of the business on the Internet will continue providing free content.
I think you are completely wrong. but if it things change radically then it will certainly impact many business models. until then, confining yourself in the present to constraints that might happen in the future sounds like one of the stupidest ways you could ever run a business.


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I don't want to receive video and risk freezing my connection. Or, have to pay more for more bandwidth.
I don't think anyone will force you to view video comments if they are available on bhtv, so why force your point of view on others. let other people do what they want and you do what you want.


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Even if the future doesn't have this economy in store for us, I still think it's prudent to conserve bandwidth.
BHtv would have to be run by imbeciles to constrain themselves with your "prudence" when none of their competitors are so constrained.


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It's like water: charging for scarce resources is good for conservation.
I think it is wise for society to have a public utility approach to water and sewage. that way poor people don't die of dehydration and sewage is dealt with so disease doesn't ravage the population. the overall cost to society is probably less by making water and sanitation cheap as possible for everyone.


and the rest of what you said was a bunch of weird ranting about your life and your boss, none of which has any relationship to what is or is not a good idea for bhtv.
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Old 04-17-2009, 06:14 PM
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Shorter version:

Gimme, gimme gimme...I hope they keep giving it to me even if I didn't ask for it!

Rest assured, I won't watch the comments! or, the content, if it's quality continues to spiral downward. There is no lack of quality material to read in this world. It's just rarely on these Boards!

As for ranting, I think you should work here. DSME would like your undiscriminating attitude!
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Old 04-17-2009, 06:22 PM
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wow.

you really are just a prissy old loon aren't you?

now please live up to your threats and go away.
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