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Old 07-26-2010, 04:50 PM
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Default Re: It's Hot (Tim Fernholz & Conn Carroll)

Originally Posted by Rathertired View Post
Here's a Webb quote from that Op-Ed: "Those who came to this country in recent decades from Asia, Latin America and Africa did not suffer discrimination from our government, and in fact have frequently been the beneficiaries of special government programs. The same cannot be said of many hard-working white Americans, including those whose roots in America go back more than 200 years."

If Webb thinks Asians have benefited from "special government programs" and not a strong work ethic combined with attitudes towards education, substance abuse, speaking proper English, having children within wedlock, the shame of being arrested, etc., etc. that the white working-class don't share (don't share in the least) he's delusional.

If he doesn't actually believe this (if he's even vaguely aware of what's going on with poorer whites in his home state of Virginia) then he's engaging in a pathetic feel-good lie that would perhaps shame Jessie Jackson at his most egregious.

I live in the Rust Belt. In many small mill and factory towns you can find tiny take-out Chinese restaurants run by immigrants. Many motels are run by Indian immigrants. These people work more than 70 hour weeks. Their children are succeeding better than the working-class whites who surround them. Much, much better. The Asians and Indians aren't getting arrested for bar fights or illegally selling prescription pills or crashing their cars while drunk or blowing up their bathrooms while attempting to make meth or beating their wives and kids. And many of these Asians and Indians have family living in rural poverty back home worse than any depression-era American white suffered eighty years ago, much less now.

If Webb wants more class-based (rather than race-based) affirmative action, fine.

But the idea that Asians are succeeding because of "special government programs" is a brazen and pathetic lie.

Nor are "special government programs" the reasons there are Jews on the Supreme Court (Webb begins his op-ed by talking about the Supreme Court's non-Protestant make-up!) any more than it's the reason there are so many Jews on the medical faculty at Johns Hopkins.

Webb could be honest and talk about the cultural pathologies that are now epidemic among the salt-of-the-earth "real American" rural working-class white Protestants and their need for help (their need for "special government programs") -- instead he indulges in tawdry fantasy that's unworthy of him.

If rural working-class whites want or need (what many conservatives would view as) charity ("special government programs"), fine. But don't pretend there are Jews on the Supreme Court or Asians and Indian-American excelling well beyond the rural whites they live beside because they've been the recipients of "special goverment programs" that the rural whites were denied.

We could also go into the farce that occurs when (rural white) communities refute evolution and then find, lo and behold, that their children aren't getting into Harvard, Yale, MIT or pre-med at Carnegie Mellon, but rather are looking for jobs at Walmart. To state yet one more cultural pathology Webb ignores in favor of fantasy.
I actually fully agree with you there
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