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Old 04-08-2011, 11:04 AM
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Old 04-08-2011, 12:39 PM
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Default Tea party members would volunteer to run the government

Tea party members would be glad to volunteer their time and operate the national parks and smithstonian museum in the event of a shutdown. We could deliver the mail, run the railroad. Will people still receive their unemployment checks? If so, bring those people in and they can staff the government agencies.
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Old 04-08-2011, 01:55 PM
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As a point of information the US Post Office is an "independent" entity supposedly free of Government funds and thus it's operations will not be subject to the shut down.

As to your broader point even General Patton found he could not run the rails, or for that matter much else, in Germany with out retaining many of Nazi managers.

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Old 04-08-2011, 02:29 PM
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Default Jesus Christ Peanut Butter!!!

Stop adding any suffixes of the "o'gate", "gate", etc like to the end of anything you think of as a scandal on pain of ... umm ... me bitching at you.
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Old 04-08-2011, 03:49 PM
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Stop adding any suffixes of the "o'gate", "gate", etc like to the end of anything you think of as a scandal on pain of ... umm ... me bitching at you.
Like Stargate?
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Old 04-08-2011, 04:34 PM
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Like Stargate?
As a genre example, that was definitely a scandal!
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Old 04-08-2011, 04:35 PM
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"if you are poor or if you are old..."

You can be old and rich and then it's ok to be subject to the risks of reality. The question I have for both sides is why not reinforce the safety net for the poor but drastically cut the safety net for the rich. Why is this not on the table?
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Old 04-08-2011, 04:46 PM
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"if you are poor or if you are old..."

You can be old and rich and then it's ok to be subject to the risks of reality. The question I have for both sides is why not reinforce the safety net for the poor but drastically cut the safety net for the rich. Why is this not on the table?
Because the rich already have a "safety net." It's often referred to as "wealth."
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Old 04-08-2011, 06:02 PM
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Because the rich already have a "safety net." It's often referred to as "wealth."
What? How does that answer my question?
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Old 04-08-2011, 07:11 PM
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Default Pickett Party Republicans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickett's_Charge#Aftermath


They need to be ignored. The republicans need to take the 30+ billion in cuts without a government shutdown, and get over the abortion provisions and the epa and other trivialities that NO ONE #$%^ING CARES ABOUT!

If you are going to Die in a charge, or stand your ground, do so on better ground than this. When the debt ceiling issues comes up, they have a stronger hand even IF there is a shutdown, at least there they can say they are holding out for something more substantive, like some spending cuts or concessions etc.

It's stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. Christine O'Donnel as the republican candidate for Senate stupid.

This is why stupid people annoy me. They muck things up. They do not hold the presidency, they do not hold the senate, they have finite power. And some of these tea partier types are acting like the barking Chihuahua, completely oblivious to the fact that if they actually went toe to toe with their foe they would likely be maimed and left for dead.

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Old 04-08-2011, 07:37 PM
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They need to be ignored. The republicans need to take the 30+ billion in cuts without a government shutdown, and get over the abortion provisions and the epa and other trivialities that NO ONE #$%^ING CARES ABOUT!

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This is why stupid people annoy me. They muck things up. [...]
How do you feel about being on the same page as Michele Bachmann?
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Old 04-08-2011, 07:41 PM
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As a point of information the US Post Office is an "independent" entity supposedly free of Government funds and thus it's operations will not be subject to the shut down.

As to your broader point even General Patton found he could not run the rails, or for that matter much else, in Germany with out retaining many of Nazi managers.
When piscivorous has to pry your head out, it's time to cut your losses.
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Old 04-08-2011, 08:43 PM
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Default Speaking of Paul Ryan ...

... Scott Lemieux has accepted the Krauthammer Challenge!

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Intro here, full column here.

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Old 04-08-2011, 09:06 PM
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"if you are poor or if you are old..."

You can be old and rich and then it's ok to be subject to the risks of reality. The question I have for both sides is why not reinforce the safety net for the poor but drastically cut the safety net for the rich. Why is this not on the table?
Because the rich control the government and both political parties.
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Old 04-08-2011, 09:29 PM
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Bill, how did the left not treat the passage of the Affordable Care Act as a victory? I thought it was a big fucking deal.
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Old 04-08-2011, 09:56 PM
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What? How does that answer my question?
In what sense was that a real question? The notion of a" safety net" was invented in specific reference to people with so few resources at their disposal that any setback is a probable disaster. It's incoherent in the context you cited.
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Old 04-08-2011, 10:00 PM
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Bill, how did the left not treat the passage of the Affordable Care Act as a victory? I thought it was a big fucking deal.
I think there is still a lot of criticism from the left that there is no public option and that the bill amounts to a giveaway to the insurance lobby and drug lobby. It is not my view, and it is not a universal view on the left. But the divide in the liberal/progressive community was enough that passage was not followed by a big momentum-boosting victory lap.

I think that is even more true with the Wall St. reform law, where much of the left was upset with the lack of caps on the size on banks.

Though to put in all in perspective, in 1934 when FDR signed into law a compromise version of the National Labor Relations Board, one liberal senator angrily decried it by saying "The New Deal is being strangled in the house of its friends."

As they say in Battlestar Galactica: "All of this has happened before"
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Old 04-08-2011, 10:26 PM
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Default Regarding the looming spin wars ...

... about the shutdown, assuming we have one, I'd refer everyone to this smart Paul Waldmann post from this morning: "Why Dems Need to Turn Off Fox During the Shutdown."

Of course no one will follow his recommendation. That's part of why this country is in the mess that it's in.

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[Added] On a somewhat related note, Matt Lewis is not a smart political analyst. We're more than twenty-five minutes in, and as always seems to come to mind around this point when he's on, it's really tedious to listen to him regurgitate poorly-remembered history and a wishful-thinking version of current events while droning on about how conservatives and new media yada yada.

I get that he's Bill's friend, but this same old same old from him is really self-indulgent and not rewarding to listeners, and it is certainly not a report on the blogosphere.

[Added2] Good on Bill for not allowing Matt to propagate the misinformation about Alice Rivlin. Score him a solid notch above a certain other 'head on this.

[Added3] I can't believe Matt won't just admit that Glenn Beck was, for all intents and purposes, fired. Or given his unconditional release, as they say in another arm of the entertainment biz. The real reason there wasn't more public bitterness is that they both know there's money to be lost by splitting his audience into factions, and also, as Pareene reminds us:

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[Added4] "The rural purge?" MATT: HE WASN'T SELLING ADVERTISING. END. OF. STORY.

[Added5] Also, you can't opine on how much poor Glenn Beck was misquoted by those evil liberals when you've just asserted you never watched his show.

[Added6] Sounded like you were starting to come to your senses and hedge there a bit at the end there, Matt, but nonetheless, I'm going to semi-hold you to this semi-prediction. My prediction is that without the teevee show to keep him in the mainstream spotlight, he will not ever be bigger than he is now, and will slowly shrink into a smaller and smaller niche. (I think he was headed in that direction even with the teevee show -- there gets to be a point where trying to out-crazy last week's craziness runs out of possibilities, and when you're reduced to stealing Alex Jones's ideas, you're probably at that point.)

[Added7] Whoa. An honest and interesting thing was said!
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Old 04-08-2011, 10:55 PM
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In what sense was that a real question? The notion of a" safety net" was invented in specific reference to people with so few resources at their disposal that any setback is a probable disaster. It's incoherent in the context you cited.
Maybe you didn't read his question correctly.

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Old 04-08-2011, 11:11 PM
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Bill, how did the left not treat the passage of the Affordable Care Act as a victory? I thought it was a big fucking deal.
I suppose the real left would have like a public option. It seems like they rarely get anything they want, but I suppose rather than blaming Obama they have to think about communicating their ideas better to the public, not that I have any idea how this can be done. It appears the public everywhere is shifting right. I thought it was odd that Matt Lewis was talking about how little influence the right had before the new media, Twitter, etc. I have the impression that there has been a shift toward the right, regardless of who was in power, ever since Reagan. There's always a delayed reaction in Canada but it's happening.

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Old 04-08-2011, 11:15 PM
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The shut sown was averted because these guys wanted to go to sleep. I don't blame them, but come on, they should have made some decisions. We need younger people running government (at least a night shift!).
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Old 04-08-2011, 11:22 PM
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I though it was odd that Matt Lewis was talking about how little influence the right had before the new media, Twitter, etc.
Please do not buy into that mythology any more than you would a literal reading of the Book of Genesis. All you have to do is read The Boys on The Bus, copyright 1972, to understand how wrong Matt is about Teh Media Before Fox And The Twitter.
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Old 04-08-2011, 11:25 PM
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The shut sown was averted because these guys wanted to go to sleep. I don't blame them, but come on, they should have made some decisions. We need younger people running government (at least a night shift!).
It wasn't a matter of age. Midnight was the deadline, no matter how young and dreamy Paul Ryan is!

I think you are projecting, concerning the desire to go to sleep.

[Added] Not that I'm calling you old.

[Added2] Not that there's anything wrong with being old.
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Old 04-09-2011, 01:13 AM
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Because the rich control the government and both political parties.
I think that's part of it.
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Old 04-09-2011, 09:13 AM
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Maybe you didn't read his question correctly.
Eh, I think you're right. I was breaking in a new phone and probably paying more attention to what I was doing (and doing it with) than I was with the content.

My bad, Unit.
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Old 04-09-2011, 09:17 AM
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It wasn't a matter of age. Midnight was the deadline, no matter how young and dreamy Paul Ryan is!
I knew that, but they had an entire hour of work before they quit for the night!

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[Added] Not that I'm calling you old.

[Added2] Not that there's anything wrong with being old.
Old and sick, Brendan. No, old, sick and tired!

Not that I think you should have stopped your comment after the first paragraph. Baby.
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Old 04-09-2011, 09:38 AM
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Eh, I think you're right. I was breaking in a new phone and probably paying more attention to what I was doing (and doing it with) than I was with the content.

My bad, Unit.
No problem. One thing I haven't been able to do is to keep up with the forum on my phone. How do you do it?
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Old 04-09-2011, 10:30 AM
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I suppose the real left would have like a public option. It seems like they rarely get anything they want, but I suppose rather than blaming Obama they have to think about communicating their ideas better to the public, not that I have any idea how this can be done. It appears the public everywhere is shifting right. I thought it was odd that Matt Lewis was talking about how little influence the right had before the new media, Twitter, etc. I have the impression that there has been a shift toward the right, regardless of who was in power, ever since Reagan. There's always a delayed reaction in Canada but it's happening.
Fascinating. I think so much of this depends on which side of the street you like to walk. You say the left rarely gets what they want and I say we have been sliding in their direction for decades. And as far as the shift to the right, that would certainly be in the eye of the beholder.

One of the problems with all of this is that we like to think of the left and the right as different but equal and we try to see parallels between what happens on the right and what happens on the left where there actually may be none. That is what a lot of this diavlog was trying to do. I think it's probably way more complicated than that but we like to simplify for understanding purposes.

I have probably said a whole lot of nothing here and I need to think about this some more. Your post has provoked more thinking. I need to get the WD40.
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Old 04-09-2011, 12:46 PM
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No problem. One thing I haven't been able to do is to keep up with the forum on my phone. How do you do it?
Up 'til now I've been using a Blackberry, and I only posted with that infrequently because between the screen and keyboard sizes, plus the quality of the available browser, it was just too much effort. I've just traded the BB for a Droid 2, which beats it on all the above criteria, so we'll see. I think it will still be more effort than it's worth if I want to post supporting links and otherwise put up posts with any complexity, but it does seem capable of letting me keep up with the forum and post relatively simple items much better than the old phone did. We'll see.
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Default Needed: Commissioners of Punditry

1. You can take this free idea to CNN either "In the Arena" or "Anderson Cooper 360". (Spitzer might be more lively, but Cooper might be a better fit since you would be "keeping them honest")

As Joint Co-Commissioners of Punditry, similar to baseball, football and basketball commissioners, you would be responsible for leveling fines against pundits and their franchise owners who over step the bounds of punditry.

You first would have to define the players (pundits) and the owners (media outlet). Clowns and A#%holes would be excluded.

You could then define the rules and the level of fines for each offence or make them up as you go. Joint decision is a must!

At the end of the year, we will see would has accumulated the largest fines.

For first rule that comes to mind:

Trying to predict the F!#@ing future!!!!!

Since this is soooo common an offense ... my suggestion is a $1,000 fine. Your first show would put you both in the hole to the tune of $1,000 each!

2. Awards Show - "Almost Canadian Pundit"

Scher & Lewis ... runners up? ... other awards?

3. You guys reeeeaaaally seen to get along ... (which I like ... keep it up). Next Bloggingheads show ... in a hot tub!

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Up 'til now I've been using a Blackberry, and I only posted with that infrequently because between the screen and keyboard sizes, plus the quality of the available browser, it was just too much effort. I've just traded the BB for a Droid 2, which beats it on all the above criteria, so we'll see. I think it will still be more effort than it's worth if I want to post supporting links and otherwise put up posts with any complexity, but it does seem capable of letting me keep up with the forum and post relatively simple items much better than the old phone did. We'll see.
Does it display a simplified version of the forum where it's easy to navigate between posts or do you get a perfect replica of the screen-shot you would get on a regular computer? I don't know if I'm explaining myself.
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Old 04-09-2011, 09:28 PM
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Does it display a simplified version of the forum where it's easy to navigate between posts or do you get a perfect replica of the screen-shot you would get on a regular computer? I don't know if I'm explaining myself.
I understand what you're asking. It renders a close replica of what you see on a computer screen. The one maddening detail is that in hybrid mode (which I almost always use) there's no scroll thumb on the subwindow containing the tree view of forum posts. It's often more trouble than it's worth to look for the context of replies that don't quote what they're replying to. The browser renders in landscape mode if you hold the phone that way, and that makes for a pretty readable display, and the touch screen is a decent mouse proxy, although some of the tiny icons used by the forum software make for pretty itty targets for a fingertip to find.
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Old 04-09-2011, 10:04 PM
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I understand what you're asking. It renders a close replica of what you see on a computer screen. The one maddening detail is that in hybrid mode (which I almost always use) there's no scroll thumb on the subwindow containing the tree view of forum posts. It's often more trouble than it's worth to look for the context of replies that don't quote what they're replying to. The browser renders in landscape mode if you hold the phone that way, and that makes for a pretty readable display, and the touch screen is a decent mouse proxy, although some of the tiny icons used by the forum software make for pretty itty targets for a fingertip to find.

Yes, you're describing it pretty well. I also have an Android, but one of the older versions. I have the same difficulties you describe. I decided to use linear mode instead of threaded. But the main problem is that I don't have/ see the buttons for reply/quote at the end of comments, so literally I can't write comments on my phone. I have no idea whether there's another way to do it.
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Yes, you're describing it pretty well. I also have an Android, but one of the older versions. I have the same difficulties you describe. I decided to use linear mode instead of threaded. But the main problem is that I don't have/ see the buttons for reply/quote at the end of comments, so literally I can't write comments on my phone. I have no idea whether there's another way to do it.
I could have sworn that not too long ago, I'd seen results from a mobile version of this site when using Google to search the forums. But now I don't see any of those in the queries I've tried. I wonder if they did away with m.bloggingheads.tv or whatever it was.
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Old 04-09-2011, 10:42 PM
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Yes, you're describing it pretty well. I also have an Android, but one of the older versions. I have the same difficulties you describe. I decided to use linear mode instead of threaded. But the main problem is that I don't have/ see the buttons for reply/quote at the end of comments, so literally I can't write comments on my phone. I have no idea whether there's another way to do it.
I don't have a problem with the Quote/Reply buttons on this phone. Do you know if you have the latest appropriate version of Android running on yours?
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I don't have a problem with the Quote/Reply buttons on this phone. Do you know if you have the latest appropriate version of Android running on yours?
My phone doesn't support the newer versions of Android. I would have to get a different phone.
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Up 'til now I've been using a Blackberry, and I only posted with that infrequently because between the screen and keyboard sizes, plus the quality of the available browser, it was just too much effort. I've just traded the BB for a Droid 2, which beats it on all the above criteria, so we'll see. I think it will still be more effort than it's worth if I want to post supporting links and otherwise put up posts with any complexity, but it does seem capable of letting me keep up with the forum and post relatively simple items much better than the old phone did. We'll see.
I'm in a similar situation. I was using a different phone until about a month ago, when I got an iPhone 4. The thing absolutely rocks. I didn't do a detailed comparison to the Droid 2 before I bought it, though. I wonder how the two compare. What does Droid 2 use for a browser? The iPhone uses Safari, and I'm pretty impressed with how well it works.
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Does it display a simplified version of the forum where it's easy to navigate between posts or do you get a perfect replica of the screen-shot you would get on a regular computer? I don't know if I'm explaining myself.
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The iPhone 4 gives you a perfect replica of the screen you would see on a regular computer. Here are a couple of screenshots I just took to give you an example. The first shows the site in portrait mode, the second in landscape mode.




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One thing you will note, if you are viewing the previous post on a regular computer, is how enormous those screenshots are -- much bigger than the phone itself. This is because the pixel density on the iPhone 4 is much greater than on a conventional desktop or laptop monitor. The iPhone 4's screen resolution is 960x640, so the pixel density is 326 pixels per inch -- so great that the human eye cannot make out individual pixels.
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Android uses a native, Webkit based, browser which shares DNA with Safari (I have to assume) but which I'm sure is most closely related to Chrome (of course.) I can't compare it directly to any mobile competitors except for the BB OS 5 native browser, and to a lesser extent, Opera on BB - neither of which compares favorably.
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