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Old 11-19-2011, 01:44 AM
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Old 11-19-2011, 02:55 AM
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I wonder if the cognitive sciences will ever find anything out that my grandmother didn't already know (She made me always hold but not consume for 60 seconds anytime I received any sort of sweet). One wonders if this is an indictment of the cognitive sciences, or if I just had a very wise grandmother.
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Old 11-19-2011, 09:11 AM
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I wonder if the cognitive sciences will ever find anything out that my grandmother didn't already know (She made me always hold but not consume for 60 seconds anytime I received any sort of sweet). One wonders if this is an indictment of the cognitive sciences, or if I just had a very wise grandmother.
There's nothing new under the sun. Research only confirms what we already know. Going with your gut, despite lack of clinical evidence, is probably not so dumb.
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Old 11-19-2011, 09:14 AM
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I wonder if the cognitive sciences will ever find anything out that my grandmother didn't already know (She made me always hold but not consume for 60 seconds anytime I received any sort of sweet). One wonders if this is an indictment of the cognitive sciences, or if I just had a very wise grandmother.
My grandmother told me that masturbation would deprive one's body of its vital force.
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:00 PM
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My grandmother told me that masturbation would deprive one's body of its vital force.
Somehow, I think this is true. The biggest scourge for men is not women; it might be pornography.
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Old 11-20-2011, 05:30 PM
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Somehow, I think this is true. The biggest scourge for men is not women; it might be pornography.
Are you sure you're not operative?

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Old 11-19-2011, 09:41 AM
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I wonder if the cognitive sciences will ever find anything out that my grandmother didn't already know (She made me always hold but not consume for 60 seconds anytime I received any sort of sweet). One wonders if this is an indictment of the cognitive sciences, or if I just had a very wise grandmother.
Yes, but the logic of contemplating the temptation for long periods doesn't work that well when it comes to pictures of attractive people.
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Old 11-19-2011, 11:06 AM
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Yes, but the logic of contemplating the temptation for long periods doesn't work that well when it comes to pictures of attractive people.
LOL!

Great diavlog, I thought. I always like to hear Josh interview someone. He asks questions that make me think, "Oooo. Yes, that's just what I would have thought of asking there ... if only I were much, much better at coming up with humorous questions that get right to the key point."

Roy's work sounds fascinating. And makes me quite hopeful, as well.
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Old 11-19-2011, 03:02 PM
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I wonder if the cognitive sciences will ever find anything out that my grandmother didn't already know.
I had the same thought until I remembered that my grandmother had a skeptical disposition I've never encountered among cognitive scientists.

I read recently that "Brain scans of happy people show they respond more positively to their environment." Science never ceases to astonish me!

Not that I mind Grandmother Saturday (with Pinker as the ultimate grandma and the hair to prove it), but how about having a discussion of the Cern-San Grasso experiment? Think how much easier it would be to exercise self-control if we had superluminal bhtv!
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Old 11-19-2011, 07:48 AM
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I love Joshua's new talking voice. It must be related to his new hairstyle, which must, in turn, be related to Pink Floyd and marijuana.



With regard to the self-control theory as presented, it seems quite overstated. I spent twenty years smoking heavily and attempted to quit a dozen times. Thinking that I lacked will power was precisely the problem. Will power isn't in the equation 6 months after you've already quit.

The alternative habit prescriptions seem helpful, however.
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Old 11-19-2011, 08:50 AM
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With regard to the self-control theory as presented, it seems quite overstated. I spent twenty years smoking heavily and attempted to quit a dozen times. Thinking that I lacked will power was precisely the problem. Will power isn't in the equation 6 months after you've already quit.
The myth of perpetually fighting addiction. It keeps people employed and AA well attended.
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Old 11-19-2011, 09:07 AM
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I love Joshua's new talking voice.
I havent listened to Joshua's dialogues for a bit. Compared to his early ones the improvement is a shock. I know I advised him to try the old David Niven wine cork enunciation exercise back in one of his earlier appearances. Then again maybe he was forced to improve based on lecture reviews.

EDIT: as the dialogue goes on, he kind of regresses to his earlier muffled sine-wave pixie voice.

As to self-control, I agree wholeheartedly. Everything from working my way through college, staying employed and/or maintaining a successful business, having a solid, positive relationship, having very little debt etc are all in part due to avoiding reckless and undisciplined behavior. Reckless for me is going fast on a motorcycle or surfing large waves, not cheating or spending beyond my means or failing to fulfill my obligations to others or (worst of all) being an idler or a parasite.

I also agree strongly with Roy's assertion about everyone having moments of weakness but also using good habits to avoid weakness possibilities in the first place. It's the old "nothing good happens at 2am" lesson many of us got from our parents when we were in high school. Not that 2am can't be a great time but that if you put yourself in a situation you really shouldnt be in, don't be surprised when it goes horribly wrong.
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Old 11-19-2011, 07:09 PM
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I love Joshua's new talking voice. It must be related to his new hairstyle, which must, in turn, be related to Pink Floyd and marijuana.

Dear Bloggingheads thread moderator: Why is that other people can comment on a diavlogger's aesthetic, as seen above, or as seen in comments about Fernholz's goofball glasses, but when I comment that Erica Grieder is hot, I get censored off the comment section?
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Old 11-19-2011, 07:25 PM
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Dear Bloggingheads thread moderator: Why is that other people can comment on a diavlogger's aesthetic, as seen above, or as seen in comments about Fernholz's goofball glasses, but when I comment that Erica Grieder is hot, I get censored off the comment section?
Speaking as a biased observer only (not a moderator): You've been undone by selective enforcement and a witness to AAW (Affirmative Action for Wingnuts). See badhat on Fernholz and his specs, in addition to Koch King on Knobe.

Not that I'm defending your remarks ... Just sayin' ... Try E-Harmony!
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Old 11-19-2011, 07:35 PM
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Speaking as a biased observer only (not a moderator): You've been undone by selective enforcement and a witness to AAW (Affirmative Action for Wingnuts). See badhat on Fernholz and his specs, in addition to Koch King on Knobe.

Not that I'm defending your remarks ... Just sayin' ... Try E-Harmony!
I'm not interested in your opinion. I want to hear from an official bloggingheads representative on where the line is drawn.
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Old 11-19-2011, 07:50 PM
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I'm not interested in your opinion. I want to hear from an official bloggingheads representative on where the line is drawn.
You look so much "bustier" in the first depiction ... Really hot!

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Old 11-19-2011, 07:56 PM
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You look so much "bustier" in the first depiction ... Really hot!

You said, "hot". I'm telling Bob.
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Old 11-19-2011, 09:46 PM
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Dear Bloggingheads thread moderator: Why is that other people can comment on a diavlogger's aesthetic, as seen above, or as seen in comments about Fernholz's goofball glasses, but when I comment that Erica Grieder is hot, I get censored off the comment section?
I disagee that comments on Knobe's articulation are purely one of aesthetic, as being able to understand what someone is saying is a function of having a good dialogue. Glenn Loury's early dialogues where his earpiece volume was causing distracting feedback is another example. Fernholz's incredibly lame eyewear on the other hand is just a reflection of his political views.

And no matter what you said about E Grieder, it couldn't have been as uncomfortable a moment as Matt Lewis' mentioning masturbation to Kristen Soltis, the only thing missing from her reaction was a crickets wav file.

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Old 11-19-2011, 10:38 PM
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I disagee that comments on Knobe's articulation are purely one of aesthetic, as being able to understand what someone is saying is a function of having a good dialogue.

And no matter what you said about E Grieder, it couldn't have been as uncomfortable a moment as Matt Lewis' mentioning masturbation to Kristen Soltis, the only thing missing from her reaction was a crickets wav file.
Ha, yeah, the Lewis masturbation comment/moment was pretty funny, but it could have been waaaay more awkward than it actually was. Soltis sort of just giggled it off.

Anywho - saying that Knobe has a "pixie voice" and that his hairdo is a result of him being a pothead is way more derogatory than my four words on Grieder, which were simply: Erica Grieder is hot. Would it have been less offensive if I said, "Erica Grieder has good facial bone structure and I like the way she styled her hair today"? Way too wordy.

I guess it's ok to remark on men's appearances in the bloggingheads comment sphere, but not on women's - even if complimentary.
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Old 11-20-2011, 12:06 PM
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Ha, yeah, the Lewis masturbation comment/moment was pretty funny, but it could have been waaaay more awkward than it actually was. Soltis sort of just giggled it off.

Anywho - saying that Knobe has a "pixie voice" and that his hairdo is a result of him being a pothead is way more derogatory than my four words on Grieder, which were simply: Erica Grieder is hot. Would it have been less offensive if I said, "Erica Grieder has good facial bone structure and I like the way she styled her hair today"? Way too wordy.
You could compliment her bone structure as "good" ( vs not good ) but I would think that would probably be in the same league as "she's hot". You could try making less judgmental statements about certain metrics in regards to her face and contrast that with measurements for females in the population at large but that also brings up the idea of the purpose of the comment being jest a wee tangential to Ms. Grieder's arguments or her performance on the diavlog itself. A commenter could maintain that Derek Jetter is HOT but how useful that is when discussing his abilities in short stop.

If you take a cue from harkin you could state that she is too hot and that you are unable to process what she is saying for more than 10 seconds at a time and as harkin says
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Thinking that wouldn't fly either.*

I will say that Conn Carroll did call out 2 female diavlogers on their looks but I am fairly certain that there was some pre-existing relationship ( friends or the like ) that kept the comment out of creepy territory, I don't know this for a fact however.

Or despite the allure of the diavloger you might note the topic of this particular diavlog.


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That's is an argument. I don't notice this happening often and have little interest in how the males look but if you to say "Conn Carroll looks hot" it might get an interesting response in the comment section.

* In all honesty I have used something like this as an excuse during certain expository scenes in Game of Thrones To be fair it is a complex plot with very little time for back story development, the dialog is pretty compact as well.
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Old 11-20-2011, 01:29 PM
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I will say that Conn Carroll did call out 2 female diavlogers on their looks but I am fairly certain that there was some pre-existing relationship ( friends or the like ) that kept the comment out of creepy territory, I don't know this for a fact however.
Yes, they are colleagues of his -- still creepy though. All that repressive Irish Catholicism has to rear itself eventually.
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Old 11-20-2011, 01:49 PM
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...but that also brings up the idea of the purpose of the comment being jest a wee tangential to Ms. Grieder's arguments or her performance on the diavlog itself. A commenter could maintain that Derek Jetter is HOT but how useful that is when discussing his abilities in short stop.
Of course it was tangential! I don't remember reading in the rules that comments had to strictly pertain to arguments made in the diavlog. In fact, commenters go on tangents all the time - I was just perusing comments and saw a conversation on how gross white chocolate is.

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That's is an argument. I don't notice this happening often and have little interest in how the males look but if you to say "Conn Carroll looks hot" it might get an interesting response in the comment section.
Yes, that is my entire point.
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Old 11-20-2011, 02:38 PM
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Of course it was tangential! I don't remember reading in the rules that comments had to strictly pertain to arguments made in the diavlog. In fact, commenters go on tangents all the time - I was just perusing comments and saw a conversation on how gross white chocolate is.
Judging fake chocolate isn't problematic though. Anyways chocolate does force many to exercise their self-control so that could be somewhat less tangential.

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You called Conn Carroll hot ? was it taken down ?? That is probably the point to begin the discussion on double standards. I would guess Life Universe and Everything would be the place for it to start as well.

I suspect that commenting on how someone is dressed or something more superficial than looks ( even though skin deep ) probably get less attention than a single statement reply saying someone is hot. I think graz is right about the random nature of censoring of items within guidelines, not rules. There are threads available on the subject of what, why, how, when etc.
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Judging fake chocolate isn't problematic though. Anyways chocolate does force many to exercise their self-control so that could be somewhat less tangential.



You called Conn Carroll hot ? was it taken down ?? That is probably the point to begin the discussion on double standards. I would guess Life Universe and Everything would be the place for it to start as well.

I suspect that commenting on how someone is dressed or something more superficial than looks ( even though skin deep ) probably get less attention than a single statement reply saying someone is hot. I think graz is right about the random nature of censoring of items within guidelines, not rules. There are threads available on the subject of what, why, how, when etc.
Let me state with as much emphasis as humanly possible that I did not call Conn Carroll hot. I will say, however, that Julian Sanchez is looking quite dapper in his vest and tie.

Bottom line is this, saying that Knobe has a pixie voice and that his hairdo has something to do with him being a pothead is far more problematic, offensive, and even injurious than me saying Erica Grieder is hot. Call me crazy, but bloggingheads' censorship seems more appropriate in the case of ad hominem attacks than in the case of a paid compliment.
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Old 11-20-2011, 07:29 PM
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Bottom line is this, saying that Knobe has a pixie voice and that his hairdo has something to do with him being a pothead is far more problematic, offensive, and even injurious than me saying Erica Grieder is hot. Call me crazy, but bloggingheads' censorship seems more appropriate in the case of ad hominem attacks than in the case of a paid compliment.
Well there lots of complaints about bad diction, diavloger's irksome use of "like" and "ya know" and other verbal ticks and issues. So one could argue that complaints about Knobe could be justified under those circumstances as harkin suggested I guess . Pothead and hair stuff at this point can only be taken as joking or if serious the complainer would be the joke at that point. I don't defend the censorship stuff nor do I decry it. Whatever they are doing is better than most of the comment sections out there.

If I were to hazard a guess "Hot", arguably, has an overtly sexual tone and it was the only thing you were saying or adding to the conversation. You could have said "she looked nice today" or something like that. Not the point you were trying to make but like ya know.
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Old 11-20-2011, 07:57 PM
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Pothead and hair stuff at this point can only be taken as joking or if serious the complainer would be the joke at that point. I don't defend the censorship stuff nor do I decry it. Whatever they are doing is better than most of the comment sections out there.

If I were to hazard a guess "Hot", arguably, has an overtly sexual tone and it was the only thing you were saying or adding to the conversation. You could have said "she looked nice today" or something like that.
Overtly sexual? Hardly. I stand by my claim that there is a sort of gender bias at play here. It's ok to make demeaning aesthetic judgments about men, but not ok to remark, even positively, about women.
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Old 11-20-2011, 08:14 PM
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Overtly sexual? Hardly. I stand by my claim that there is a sort of gender bias at play here. It's ok to make demeaning aesthetic judgments about men, but not ok to remark, even positively, about women.
I'd be inclined to defend that proposition, actually. Context matters here, and women are vastly more likely to be evaluated purely on the basis of their appearance than men. I mean, Tim Fernholz might wear silly glasses and Rob Farley might wear awesome hats, but I don't think either of them would seriously worry that they are only being viewed as "the guy that wears the silly glasses." For an attractive female DV'er, on the other hand, I think that being considered and remembered only in terms of her appearance is a much realer possibility. So I can see why the moderators, in the absence of any other content in the comment, would want to delete a comment that might encourage the evaluation of that DV'er in that way.
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Old 11-20-2011, 09:04 PM
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I'd be inclined to defend that proposition, actually. Context matters here, and women are vastly more likely to be evaluated purely on the basis of their appearance than men. I mean, Tim Fernholz might wear silly glasses and Rob Farley might wear awesome hats, but I don't think either of them would seriously worry that they are only being viewed as "the guy that wears the silly glasses." For an attractive female DV'er, on the other hand, I think that being considered and remembered only in terms of her appearance is a much realer possibility. So I can see why the moderators, in the absence of any other content in the comment, would want to delete a comment that might encourage the evaluation of that DV'er in that way.
I think you're right on the money, Don Zeko.

On the flip side, the argument about women being more sensitive to aesthetic critique sort of reminds me of the notion of the soft bigotry of low expectations. Should we treat the fairer sex with kid gloves because we expect women to not be able to handle a compliment or critique? I think not. Grieder is hot not only because she looks good, but also because of her cogent political and economic commentary. I'm sure she knows this, and I doubt she would take offense to being reminded. I mean, c'mon, everyone loves a compliment.
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Old 11-21-2011, 09:30 AM
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Grieder is hot not only because she looks good, but also because of her cogent political and economic commentary. I'm sure she knows this, and I doubt she would take offense to being reminded. I mean, c'mon, everyone loves a compliment.
Your definition of HOT contains multitudes that weren't apparent in the context of your first post on the subject

Howsabout saying; "Erica has an interesting monochromatic backdrop that framed her well during the diavlog and her point about how evangelicals wrap their religion around their personal narratives and how this could distinguish their response between Bush and Perry is a cogent one. [insert evocative statement of hotness here]"
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Old 11-21-2011, 02:50 PM
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Your definition of HOT contains multitudes that weren't apparent in the context of your first post on the subject

Howsabout saying; "Erica has an interesting monochromatic backdrop that framed her well during the diavlog and her point about how evangelicals wrap their religion around their personal narratives and how this could distinguish their response between Bush and Perry is a cogent one. [insert evocative statement of hotness here]"
Too wordy.
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Old 11-20-2011, 08:56 PM
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Overtly sexual? Hardly. I stand by my claim that there is a sort of gender bias at play here. It's ok to make demeaning aesthetic judgments about men, but not ok to remark, even positively, about women.
Arguably so. Compare "you look nice today" to "you look hot" or "you look sexy". There is more of a sexual connotation. How far away is it from saying "she has a beautiful body" ? In fact HOT is more explicit than commenting on a person's body. Would you be surprised ( forgetting how the camera is positioned ) if you had your comment censored if you said "That girl has a great figure" ? I take it we can agree that positive remarks about women's particular body parts would be significantly over the line or would that be a gender bias thing ?

Also if you could point to where there were people commenting on how HOT some of the male diavlogers are that would help. That was kind of the point of one of my earlier comments.
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Arguably so. Compare "you look nice today" to "you look hot" or "you look sexy". There is more of a sexual connotation.
Obviously saying, "you look sexy" has more of a sexual connotation, but nobody said that. And saying "You're hot" is more along the lines of slang for "you're attractive". My larger point is that it seems ok to make fun of someone's appearance (which is to say they aren't attractive), but not ok to say they are attractive. Whether you choose to say, "you look nice today", "I like what you've done with your hair", or "nice shoes", you're making a value judgment on their physical appeal to you. To say, "dude, lame glasses", or "dude, lame hair" is also a value judgment on that person's appeal to your aesthetic values.

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Also if you could point to where there were people commenting on how HOT some of the male diavlogers are that would help.
I don't have an apples to apples comparison; we rarely do in life. Again, I can only point to aesthetic judgments made by others. Your speculation is duly noted, but I still want a clarification of the rules by bloggingheads, so as to prevent any future confusion.
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Old 11-21-2011, 09:19 AM
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And saying "You're hot" is more along the lines of slang for "you're attractive".
OK I always thought they were more synonymous. Helpful clarification in any case.
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My larger point is that it seems ok to make fun of someone's appearance (which is to say they aren't attractive), but not ok to say they are attractive. Whether you choose to say, "you look nice today", "I like what you've done with your hair", or "nice shoes", you're making a value judgment on their physical appeal to you. To say, "dude, lame glasses", or "dude, lame hair" is also a value judgment on that person's appeal to your aesthetic values.
I think it is more polite to comment ( positively or negatively ) on things people can change as opposed to something they can't. Commenting on a dress or hat is one thing, commenting on someone's port wine stain on their face, for instance, is another. Someone with more knowledge on manners can enlighten me if I'm wrong.

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I don't have an apples to apples comparison; we rarely do in life. Again, I can only point to aesthetic judgments made by others. Your speculation is duly noted, but I still want a clarification of the rules by bloggingheads, so as to prevent any future confusion.
Like apples to apples comparisons rarely in life to we get clarifications of the rules by bloggingheads.
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Like apples to apples comparisons rarely in life to we get clarifications of the rules by bloggingheads.
Ironically, it was apple who was banned for making a comment about one of the male diavloggers. his comment was relatively mild, noting that said diavlogger was fat. Someone else made what seemed to me to be a much more negative comment about a couple of female science saturdayers- something about women with no lips.

Then we have our resident hater, who feels the need to say something unkind but technically within bounds about any female diavlogger she feels is smarter than her.
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Ironically, it was apple who was banned for making a comment about one of the male diavloggers. his comment was relatively mild, noting that said diavlogger was fat. Someone else made what seemed to me to be a much more negative comment about a couple of female science saturdayers- something about women with no lips.
Irony or a sign, some sort of synchronicity that will create a lasting impression on apple that his chosen path of discourse might be problematic ... NAH

How little self-reflection goes on in the minds of guys that say crap about women's appearance when of course it's projection of their own anxieties as men or just a minor form of psychopathy ... a diagnosis more fitting my expertise ... they're just assholes. Wonder who they will be voting for if at all in 2012
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Then we have our resident hater, who feels the need to say something unkind but technically within bounds about any female diavlogger she feels is smarter than her.
Ah maybe Cincinnatus will take up that double standard in the gender politics of the comment section
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OK I always thought they were more synonymous. Helpful clarification in any case.

I think it is more polite to comment ( positively or negatively ) on things people can change as opposed to something they can't.
Fair enough. Though, I won't hesitate to tell a gal she has pretty eyes.
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Fair enough. Though, I won't hesitate to tell a gal she has pretty eyes.
Agreed. At least she knows you are looking at her eyes as opposed to other places
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Overtly sexual? Hardly. I stand by my claim that there is a sort of gender bias at play here. It's ok to make demeaning aesthetic judgments about men, but not ok to remark, even positively, about women.
A fellow poster was banned for a comment he made about a man's appearance.
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A fellow poster was banned for a comment he made about a man's appearance.
I'll take your word for it. This inconsistency is the reason I call for official clarification.
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I'll take your word for it. This inconsistency is the reason I call for official clarification.
The other thing is that BhTV doesn't really rigorously monitor the comments. They will respond to complaints, which can sometimes give the appearance of inconsistent enforcement, but they don't read everything that is posted.
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