Go Back   Bloggingheads Community > Life, the Universe and Everything
FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Notices

Life, the Universe and Everything Post comments about everything else here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-18-2011, 11:24 PM
opposable_crumbs opposable_crumbs is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 504
Default Kim Jong-il dies

His death has reportedly been announced in North Korea, and his son, Kim Jong-woon, designated as his successor.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16239693
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-18-2011, 11:25 PM
chiwhisoxx chiwhisoxx is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,490
Default Re: Kim Jong-il dies

what's the opposite of RIP? also, sad that Hitch missed this. I would have paid to see the piece he would write in reaction to this.
__________________
She said the theme of this party's the Industrial Age, and you came in dressed like a train wreck.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-18-2011, 11:57 PM
Wonderment Wonderment is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Southern California
Posts: 5,694
Default Re: Kim Jong-il dies

He was grotesquely dictatorial. No wait, that's the SCOTUS, according to Newt.

Ok, pop quiz: Who wants to arrest judges and drag them before the Supreme Leader? Newt Gingrich or Kim Jong-Il?

Answer found here.
__________________
Seek Peace and Pursue it
בקש שלום ורדפהו
Busca la paz y síguela
--Psalm 34:15
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-19-2011, 12:23 AM
graz graz is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,162
Default Re: Kim Jong-il dies

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wonderment View Post
He was grotesquely dictatorial. No wait, that's the SCOTUS, according to Newt.

Ok, pop quiz: Who wants to arrest judges and drag them before the Supreme Leader? Newt Gingrich or Kim Jong-Il?

Answer found here.
Leave Newton le Roi aloooooone!

Why must you demonize him? After all, Intrade has your acceptable alternative well ahead:
http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/?eventId=84328
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-19-2011, 12:41 AM
Sulla the Dictator Sulla the Dictator is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 1,364
Default Re: Kim Jong-il dies

Fantastic news. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-19-2011, 02:22 AM
sugarkang sugarkang is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Cali, Small-Govt Liberal
Posts: 2,186
Default Re: Kim Jong-il dies

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulla the Dictator View Post
Fantastic news. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
Cautious optimism. Sometimes the devil you know...
We'll see if Kim Jong-eun doesn't get assassinated shortly.
__________________
The mixing of populations lowers the cost of being unusual.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-19-2011, 03:37 AM
rfrobison rfrobison is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Tokyo
Posts: 1,629
Default And someone far more admirable has also passed...

Vaclav Havel (whose work I cannot claim to have read, regrettably) has died. The Economist has this has this obit.

Anyone who thinks the Cold War was nothing more than an amoral power struggle between two giants would do well to reflect on Havel's life.
__________________
Send lawyers, guns and money/Dad, get me outta this
--Warren Zevon--
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-19-2011, 10:15 AM
AemJeff AemJeff is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,750
Default Re: And someone far more admirable has also passed...

Quote:
Originally Posted by rfrobison View Post
Vaclav Havel (whose work I cannot claim to have read, regrettably) has died. The Economist has this has this obit.

Anyone who thinks the Cold War was nothing more than an amoral power struggle between two giants would do well to reflect on Havel's life.
The loss of Hitchens and Havel with days of one another - that's a significant tragedy.

Kim Jong Un will no doubt follow in the footsteps of his father and his grandfather - if he survives the internal politics of the transition. Either way, what are the odds that things will change in any meaningful way?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdug6yHJB40
__________________
-A. E. M. Jeff (Eponym)
Magnets - We know how they work!
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-19-2011, 03:21 PM
apple
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: And someone far more admirable has also passed...

Quote:
Originally Posted by rfrobison View Post
Anyone who thinks the Cold War was nothing more than an amoral power struggle between two giants would do well to reflect on Havel's life.
How does Havel's life refute that the means used by both great powers were often not only amoral, but positively immoral? One need not be a Blame America Firster to recognize, like Christopher Hitchens did, that American policymakers have engaged in immorality that rivals the immorality of the Soviet leadership. To give a couple of example, supporting Pinochet's coup in Chile, supporting Suharto's genocidal regime and its murder of hundreds of thousands, and supporting radical Islamist throat-slitters aka "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan.

Look up Hitchens' Trial of Henry Kissinger. Let's get that bastard before he croaks.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-19-2011, 05:49 PM
kezboard kezboard is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Great Moravia
Posts: 1,117
Default Re: And someone far more admirable has also passed...

You ought to. His political essays, at least. The plays and so forth you can take or leave.

I feel like I've groused a lot about Havel on these boards, mostly because I'm irritated by his use as a symbol in American (and sometimes Czech, in fact) politics. I have a lot of conflicting feelings about him and his politics. But I lit a candle for him in front of the town square last night, too. He was a hero, first and foremost.

ETA: You can read some of Havel's essays here.

Last edited by kezboard; 12-19-2011 at 07:15 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 12-19-2011, 10:45 AM
miceelf miceelf is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 2,569
Default Re: Kim Jong-il dies

It couldn't have happened to a more deserving gnome weirdo.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-19-2011, 02:00 PM
Don Zeko Don Zeko is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Exiled to South Jersey
Posts: 2,436
Default Re: Kim Jong-il dies

Here are two visual representations of Kim's legacy: incredible suffering and death for the millions of people imprisoned in his country:



Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12-19-2011, 05:52 PM
kezboard kezboard is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Great Moravia
Posts: 1,117
Default Re: Kim Jong-il dies

If this means that anything is going to change in North Korea, that's good, although scary. It probably doesn't, though.

Ugh, Kim Jong Il.
Reply With Quote
 


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:11 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.