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Old 10-02-2008, 09:42 AM
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Old 10-02-2008, 12:50 PM
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Hello Alaska!

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Old 10-02-2008, 12:58 PM
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Interesting diavlog. Great to hear from Dave Noon, who I've been enjoying since he started posting on LGM. Nice to hear Jim lay off the partisan cheerleading for the first time in a while, too. A very good interview/conversation.

Dave: one piece of criticism intended as constructive: Don't be so hesitant about talking about things that you don't absolutely know. I could tell many times that you had better answers to Jim's questions about Group X's attitudes or the general view of Politician Y, but didn't want to say because you didn't have hard data. Just say, "As far as I can tell, Group X leans this way" or "Most people think of Mr. Y as a hard core [whatever], although that's more the conventional wisdom than anything based on polling." And don't be afraid to repeat gossip, as long as you identify it as such.

I'm not saying to go whole hog into FriedmanLand, where one cab driver and one lunch with a CEO tells you everything you need to know about, say, India, but you can find a good place, well short of that, to convey a sense of where you live. No one who watches these diavlogs expects perfect, footnoted answers to every single question.
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Old 10-02-2008, 02:48 PM
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There was an unanswered question on Alaska's bordering Canadian territory, the Yukon. I worked in mineral exploration, mostly in the Yukon but also in Alaska. To answer James' question, there are economic and political similarities in terms of mineral extraction and rural political conservatism. The major difference is that there are about 30,000 people in the Yukon compared to Alaska's 700,000, which makes it hard to compare the two.
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Old 10-02-2008, 02:48 PM
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Great idea doing this right next to a highway with a window open. I enjoyed scrambling for the volume to turn it down when Pickerton speaks and then turning it up when Noon speaks. Annoying.
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Old 10-02-2008, 02:53 PM
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Great idea doing this right next to a highway with a window open. I enjoyed scrambling for the volume to turn it down when Pickerton speaks and then turning it up when Noon speaks. Annoying.
Alaska is quite noisy nowadays, what with all the off shore drilling.
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Old 10-02-2008, 03:00 PM
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Next time he should do the chat in a less noisy place like a football stadium in the 4th quarter of a playoff game.
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Old 10-02-2008, 03:01 PM
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Alaska is quite noisy nowadays, what with all the off shore drilling.
And melting.
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:22 PM
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Great idea doing this right next to a highway with a window open. I enjoyed scrambling for the volume to turn it down when Pickerton speaks and then turning it up when Noon speaks. Annoying.
Weird. It just sounded like fairly quiet background noise on my speakers, and was not even slightly annoying. In fact, it created a nice ambiance.

Maybe it sounds different on different speakers.
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Old 10-03-2008, 09:31 AM
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Weird. It just sounded like fairly quiet background noise on my speakers, and was not even slightly annoying. In fact, it created a nice ambiance.

Maybe it sounds different on different speakers.
Uhh yea. I found the ambulance in the backround very soothing.
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Old 10-03-2008, 01:03 PM
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The noise was very loud on my speakers (and I live right near an airport so it takes a lot to make me notice).
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Old 10-02-2008, 04:04 PM
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Default I'm very happy...

...that both hilzoy and David Noon are now on record saying that energy export bans are stupid. I love Sarah, but she is dead wrong on this issue.

Oh by the way, do you know who else wants to ban US energy exports from Alaska? Just about the entire House Democratic Caucus. Including Nancy Pelosi. watch:
http://www.speaker.gov/legislation?id=0234
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Old 10-02-2008, 04:31 PM
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A few points as a fellow Juneauite.
Wow, he really doesn't know the town he lives in very well. Southeast Alaska and Juneau border northern British Columbia, not the Yukon. The City of Juneau borders Canada ( though like he said, you have to cross ice fields to get there). It's a bit like someone in Chicago not knowing if Illinois borders Indiana or Michigan.

On federal spending, if you consider the number of personnel employed by the national park service, NOAA, fisheries personnel, military personnel, the coast guard, the BLM and our small population it really distorts the per capita spending numbers.

I disagree that socially conservative Christians are a new phenomena. There have long been pockets of various types of religous groups. Some places like Glenallen have been intensely conservative Christian for decades, and there are a few russian speaking Russian orthodox towns on the Kenai.

Alaska Natives means Indian, eskimo, and Aleut. He didn't explain that very well.

Our dividend checks are silly, the money should all be saved for when the oil runs out, or distributed only to the impoverished.

Palin was able to raise the taxes primarily because the preceding law was written while six legislators were being bribed by VECO, an oil services firm.

The pull tab gambling is done by all kinds of non-profits in Alaska. It is not a Native specific thing.

Native corporate politics are very complex, in part because people look to them for far more than a dividend. People feel the corporations should be providing various social services. They dispense large number of scholarships and do a lot of cultural preservation work, something most tourism companies or logging companies are not spending time on. Many Natives would disagree that the corporate model was not imposed, some areas wanted to opt out but could not. (views based on being married into a Native family for 20+ years)

Good luck on coming on a rain free day, especially this year.
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:37 PM
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A few points as a fellow Juneauite.
Wow, he really doesn't know the town he lives in very well. Southeast Alaska and Juneau border northern British Columbia, not the Yukon. The City of Juneau borders Canada ( though like he said, you have to cross ice fields to get there). It's a bit like someone in Chicago not knowing if Illinois borders Indiana or Michigan.
Uh, no. It's much more like someone in Michigan not knowing that Michigan borders on Ontario. And you know Americans: We just don't pay any attention to "foreign" countries. Like Canada. And when we do think about our Canadian neighbors, we think of the nearby cities, like Windsor, not provinces, like Ontario. I don't think I've heard one of my Michigan neighbors say "Ontario" in 20 years.

Furthermore, my analogy is too generous, because Ontario is populated. And you can actually get to Ontario from Michigan. Easily. And you might actually have reason to go there from time to time if you live in Michigan. Yukon? British Columbia? Evidently not. And consequently, you're just never going to think about it, except maybe in elementary school when you're learing geography.

Question for you, Jim: By paved road, what's the shortest distance in miles that you can travel between Juneau and and the parts of British Columbia closest to Juneau?

It can't really be 1,295 miles, could it?

If you really have to drive over 1200 miles to get to the part of British Columbia adjacent to Juneau, I think I might understand better than you why people don't spend much time thinking about it.

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Old 10-02-2008, 06:59 PM
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Hey, thanks for the clarifications -- I'm embarrassed about the geography thing, though in my own defense (and as someone downthread suggested) the fact that we can't actually drive out of Juneau partially explains my Palin moment there.

If nothing else, though, I should have recalled the fact that my Canadian friends refer to SE AK as "American Occupied British Columbia."
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:23 PM
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seems to me
that to be appetizing
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as much as a cob does
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Old 10-03-2008, 09:34 AM
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After watching this vlog and the debate I have to conclude that Mr. Noon knows very little about Alaska or its governor. While listening to him I felt his opinion purposefully, contrived.

In any case...everyone here should go to Drudge and put in your Biden vote as it is getting a little embarrassing.
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Old 10-03-2008, 10:05 AM
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Default Undecided?

Here's a few that were.

What was interesting was seeing the above last night and then bouncing to NBC/CBS/ABC and listening to their hosts and guests calling things for Biden. The disconnect is not surprisING ING ing ing g.
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Old 10-03-2008, 10:45 AM
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Here's a few that were.

What was interesting was seeing the above last night and then bouncing to NBC/CBS/ABC and listening to their hosts and guests calling things for Biden. The disconnect is not surprisING ING ing ing g.
Good grief Whatfur. Of all of the well publicized focus groups, you picked the most ideologically inclined and the one which produced results that were inconsistent with the rest. Luntz's result may have been honest, (though he was embarrassed by an opposite result a week ago, and Frank knows on which side his bread gets buttered) but it's still an outlier, with at least two other focus group results showing a completely different reaction. That's not an ringing endorsement of the point of view you'd like to highlight.
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Old 10-03-2008, 03:57 PM
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[QUOTE=AemJeff;92951]Good grief Whatfur. Of all of the well publicized focus groups, you picked the most ideologically inclined ...[QUOTE]

So these people were liars then. Liars when they said they voted
50% Bush/50% Kerry and liars when 50% said they would be voting for Obama, and to this point, liars when they said they thought Palin was the
most impressive here. Oh yeah...forgot...you all like your polls about 55/35/10.

Maybe you are right, and the Drudge vote was just more right wing manipulation. Can you provide me with one of the other "well publicized" focus groups so my keel can straighten back up? I wasn't out shopping amongst them nor even looking for one...just happened to see this one. In any case, you seemed to have forgotten to back up your point with anything other than hearsay.
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Old 10-03-2008, 04:03 PM
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[QUOTE=Whatfur;92974][QUOTE=AemJeff;92951]Good grief Whatfur. Of all of the well publicized focus groups, you picked the most ideologically inclined ...
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So these people were liars then. Liars when they said they voted
50% Bush/50% Kerry and liars when 50% said they would be voting for Obama, and to this point, liars when they said they thought Palin was the
most impressive here. Oh yeah...forgot...you all like your polls about 55/35/10.

Maybe you are right, and the Drudge vote was just more right wing manipulation. Can you provide me with one of the other "well publicized" focus groups so my keel can straighten back up? I wasn't out shopping amongst them nor even looking for one...just happened to see this one. In any case, you seemed to have forgotten to back up your point with anything other than hearsay.
You're not responding to what I said, which was, to paraphrase: you picked the one study whose results were consistent with your desired end, and which was conducted by Frank Luntz who is ideologically aligned with you. Whether or npt the results of Luntz's study turn out to representative (and there were at least two other focus groups conducted at the same time whose results didn't agree with this one) - this falls short as an attempt to show the rest of us that your point of view is validated.

And, come on - the Drudge thing doesn't even count as a survey. Pick an ideological website with a poll up on this debate, how many of those toy polls don't come out with a lopsided victory for their own side?
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Old 10-03-2008, 05:07 PM
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You're not responding to what I said, which was, to paraphrase: you picked the one study whose results were consistent with your desired end, and which was conducted by Frank Luntz who is ideologically aligned with you.
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And, come on - the Drudge thing doesn't even count as a survey. Pick an ideological website with a poll up on this debate, how many of those toy polls don't come out with a lopsided victory for their own side?
I understood exactly what you said and again...

You discount the participants as liars because of who the moderator was and who the station was.

You cast aspersions that I chose this one over others because it validated my own opinion. There were no others that I came across or looked for, but yeah the one I did validated my own opinion.

You again refer to said "others" without specifics or did I miss that too in "not responding to what you said". If you don't care to validate your opinion or if, for some odd reason, you think its my job to do so well we can let it rest.

And Drudge (70% Palin), you are correct, barely even an unscientific survey. Kind of like..."Who wants gum???""

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Old 10-03-2008, 05:19 PM
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You discount the participants as liars because of who the moderator was and who the station was.

You cast aspersions that I chose this one over others because it validated my own opinion. There were no others that I came across or looked for, but yeah the one I did validated my own opinion.

You again refer to said "others" without specifics or did I miss that too in "not responding to what you said". If you don't care to validate your opinion or if, for some odd reason, you think its my job to do so well we can let it rest.
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I assumed, because there were a total of three that got lots of publicity, the others would have been obvious. Mea culpa. Ambinder has a good summary.

By the way, I didn't "discount" Luntz' and his group. I implied you were engaging in selection bias, and tried to cast some doubt on the wisdom of depending on his result alone.
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Old 10-03-2008, 08:47 PM
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I assumed, because there were a total of three that got lots of publicity, the others would have been obvious. Mea culpa. Ambinder has a good summary.

By the way, I didn't "discount" Luntz' and his group. I implied you were engaging in selection bias, and tried to cast some doubt on the wisdom of depending on his result alone.

Ummm...I guess I went there expecting to see some other "Focus Group" results. Is that not what you were originally insinuating?

Instead I get a CNN poll and a CBS poll??? "Good Grief" is right.
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Old 10-04-2008, 12:53 AM
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Ummm...I guess I went there expecting to see some other "Focus Group" results. Is that not what you were originally insinuating?

Instead I get a CNN poll and a CBS poll??? "Good Grief" is right.
Um, I think I've heard them referred to both ways. (I might not have paid enough attention to the terms used. It wouldn't be the first time.) A "poll" that isn't a "focus group " implies a much larger sample (and therefore a higher confidence level) in most cases. What important distinction do you see here?
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Old 10-04-2008, 01:49 AM
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Um, I think I've heard them referred to both ways. (I might not have paid enough attention to the terms used. It wouldn't be the first time.) A "poll" that isn't a "focus group " implies a much larger sample (and therefore a higher confidence level) in most cases. What important distinction do you see here?
Oh, let him have his one meaningless data point, Jeff. Think about how silly you'd feel if you found yourself boxed into the corner of defending the fitness of Sarah Palin. That and his echo thing are all he has left at this point oint oint oint.

We now stand by while 'fur says something about back-patting and "queef."
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Old 10-05-2008, 08:54 PM
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A little Biden debate follow-up...I wonder if the same "focus" groups we have been talking about would have different results if they knew that most everything that came out of Biden's mouth were either lies or BS...I thought the Constitution and foreign policy were suppose to be his strong suits. Hanson's is particularily poignant. Some on Geraghty's list can probably be argued against but most are pretty amazing. I am betting that JoeJoe has gone far on baffling with BS in areas where feigned expertise is easy because there are so few experts. JoeJoe probably never has had to cram so much into one performance...and then to have it fact checked. Has to be kind of a nightmare come true for JoeJoe. In any case...

Mark Steyn

Michael J. Totten

Adam T. Yoshida

Jim Geraghty

Victor Davis Hanson
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Old 10-05-2008, 09:38 PM
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[QUOTE=Whatfur;93163]A little Biden debate follow-up...I wonder if the same "focus" groups we have been talking about would have different results if they knew that most everything that came out of Biden's mouth were either lies or BS...I thought the Constitution and foreign policy were suppose to be his strong suits. Hanson's is particularily poignant. Some on Geraghty's list can probably be argued against but most are pretty amazing. I am betting that JoeJoe has gone far on baffling with BS in areas where feigned expertise is easy because there are so few experts. JoeJoe probably never has had to cram so much into one performance...and then to have it fact checked. Has to be kind of a nightmare come true for JoeJoe. In any case...



It seems that your time in China served your English as first language well. Your newfound literacy still fails to obscure your partisan goals.

Quote Whatfur:Nope Handle...just doing my duty to inform. Those that want to learn from my irritations will.

Thanks for providing portal services to all the usual sources for Obama/Biden bashing. Have you forgotten that our side is the one that knows how read and skillfully avoids such truth tellers?

Quote TwinSwords:I don't know why you come here. Is it to engage in honest debate/disagreement/discussion?

Since you don't believe this forum is an honest exchange, you must be on a mission from GOP. Please keep the comedy coming. Conn must be proud of you by now. Or are you smartin' from unrequited mancrush?
How's the media bias book coming? You must have tons of material by now.
And I've gotta believe that you won't have to convert too many to your version of the duping of Amurica, to realize a modest return on your efforts.
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Old 10-05-2008, 11:21 PM
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Graz chimes in with more bluster and no substance. How many of the BH illustrious posters with the same problem does that make?

Have you heard the latest...I guess BamBam has been caught taking illegal foreign campaign contributions. You know even after he was told to return some 30K to some Gaza Strip donaters last spring (that the MSM failed to talk about ). This time we are talking some 33 million in questionable donations.

You can take the boy out of Corrupt Chicago Politics but you can't take Chicago out of the boy. Just another example that if the shoe was on the other foot the man would be drummed out of town.

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Old 10-03-2008, 05:51 PM
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Here's a few that were.

What was interesting was seeing the above last night and then bouncing to NBC/CBS/ABC and listening to their hosts and guests calling things for Biden. The disconnect is not surprisING ING ing ing g.
Many of those people had VERY strong opinions -- pro-Palin opinions. They were just jumping out of their seats, dying to defend her good name.

Only you, Whatfur, would believe those were undecided voters. No one goes from undecided to passionate advocate in 90 minutes.
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Old 10-03-2008, 07:09 PM
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Many of those people had VERY strong opinions -- pro-Palin opinions. They were just jumping out of their seats, dying to defend her good name.

Only you, Whatfur, would believe those were undecided voters. No one goes from undecided to passionate advocate in 90 minutes.
No, I think they were passionate in feeling that Palin did a good job (better than JoeJoe), only 3 admitted to solidifying allegiances because of the the debate...one going Obama's way. I think it is you who actually is reading more into what I took from the group... albeit 2 undecided, McCain-leaning, people becoming less undecided(passionate even) because of the debate...I think that is easily in the realm of possiblility.

But yeah...I wonder where they got all these actors...left over from filming moon landings no doubt?

Thanks for the link Jeff...I'll take a peek. I'm not going to find that 55/35 thing I talked about there am I?

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Old 10-04-2008, 03:51 PM
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But yeah...I wonder where they got all these actors...left over from filming moon landings no doubt?
I don't know why you come here. Is it to engage in honest debate/disagreement/discussion?

Because if so, you might want to drop this habit of making dishonest assertions. For example, I never said Luntz hired actors. That's your own self-defeating spin.

Likewise, you accussed AEMJeff of saying things he never said. For example, you accussed him of calling Luntz's focus group participants "liars." But he never said that.

I can understand why a dishonest person like yourself might lie to other people about what I or Jeff say, because you might actually fool them. But I honestly don't understand the point of lying to me about what I said, or to Jeff about what he said.

Hey just for fun: What's your opinion of Eric Rudolph?
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Old 10-04-2008, 04:43 PM
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I don't know why you come here. Is it to engage in honest debate/disagreement/discussion?

Because if so, you might want to drop this habit of making dishonest assertions. For example, I never said Luntz hired actors. That's your own self-defeating spin.

Likewise, you accussed AEMJeff of saying things he never said. For example, you accussed him of calling Luntz's focus group participants "liars." But he never said that.

I can understand why a dishonest person like yourself might lie to other people about what I or Jeff say, because you might actually fool them. But I honestly don't understand the point of lying to me about what I said, or to Jeff about what he said.

Hey just for fun: What's your opinion of Eric Rudolph?
Sorry TS, but I am not obliged to go through all your fanciful (or is that fantasy full) retorts except to say that you are a little short in the comprehension department. Add in a bit of sarcasm and you then are obviously completely lost.

In any case, Eric Rudolph...my opinion of him falls real close to my opinion of Bill Ayers. I guess the difference is one is in prison and one should probably be but instead is a contributor to Obama's policy formation. One got a bunch of coverage by the MSM, and the other is approached with the "move along now, nothing to see here" method untilized by the "running scared" MSM which is not surprising as they have chosen that same method with Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko, Jim Johnson, Raines, Obama's Fannie Mae contributions etc. etc. etc.

I understand the NYT had 8 fact checkers covering the VP debate and not one came up with the fact that Biden was talking out of his ass when preaching about the Constitution. Hey, TS, maybe they could use a 9th, you have all the qualifications.
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Old 10-04-2008, 04:48 PM
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Bill Ayers [...] is a contributor to Obama's policy formation.
Care to elaborate? What policy of Obama's does Ayer's contribute to the formation of?

Since you used the present tense, could you also please identify the most recent example of Ayer's contributions to Obama's policy formation?

But by all means: Please don't feel limited to just one example. I'd love to hear you dump everything you've got on this thread: Let's hear it all. Every example you can find of Ayer's contributing to Obama's policy.
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Old 10-04-2008, 05:11 PM
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Care to elaborate? What policy of Obama's does Ayer's contribute to the formation of?

Since you used the present tense, could you also please identify the most recent example of Ayer's contributions to Obama's policy formation?

But by all means: Please don't feel limited to just one example. I'd love to hear you dump everything you've got on this thread: Let's hear it all. Every example you can find of Ayer's contributing to Obama's policy.
First you need to tell me what you know about Ayers and I will be
happy to fill in the blanks. Let me get you started though...direct from Obama himself... he lives in the same "neighborhood".

Oh wait...I'm sorry... you wanted to talk about Eric Rudolph.

ahhhh... like I never left.

Oh and sorry again...we have gotten off track of this vlog a bit but I guess it was rather dated...but just to lighten the mood I thought I would share one of my favoriate "Alaska" T-shirt sayings based on the fact that men far out-number women there (Ocean you listening?)...

Alaska Men...The odds are good, the goods are odd.
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Old 10-05-2008, 12:15 AM
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Default Unrepentent terrorist Bill Ayers.

[QUOTE=TwinSwords;93062]Care to elaborate? What policy of Obama's does Ayer's contribute to the formation of?

Here's a tidbit for you.

Yep the same Stanley Kurtz whose radio appearance was attempted to be shut down by Obama hooligans. Not only does your V.P. not understand the Constitution but your Candidate chooses to shit on the Bill of Rights. And you all stand by holding on to hope. Pathetic.

Nice to have the Grey Lady running interference for you too.
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Old 10-05-2008, 03:40 AM
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Yep the same Stanley Kurtz whose radio appearance was attempted to be shut down by Obama hooligans. Not only does your V.P. not understand the Constitution but your Candidate chooses to shit on the Bill of Rights. And you all stand by holding on to hope. Pathetic.

Nice to have the Grey Lady running interference for you too.
Here's a point: All the polls in the RCP average are turning blue, it's true, and there won't be enough money left for your over-budget and way-behind-schedule regime implanting of Iraq, not to mention the plan for Iran, and nobody, no matter how redneck or white trash they may be, wants to be called "joe 6 pack". Still, you might want to reign in your obvious desperation, 'cause your posts sound like the pathetic drunken raving lunatic bum on the corner calling everyone else "pathetic". You aren't doing your pathetic pity party any favors, quite the opposite, IMHO. And it's too early to give up, so snap out of it, at least for the sake people from your side of the fence, who aren't ready to surrender Minnesota. Not yet anyway.

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Old 10-05-2008, 09:51 AM
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like the pathetic drunken raving lunatic bum on the corner calling everyone else "pathetic". You aren't doing your pathetic pity party any favors, quite the opposite, IMHO. And it's too early to give up, so snap out of it, at least for the sake people from your side of the fence, who aren't ready to surrender Minnesota. Not yet anyway.
First, I think the Obama people also didn't know Stanley Kurtz and how respected of a journalist he was so when their hooligans showed your candidates true colors, they were amazed at the coverage (on the internet mainly of course) and continue to try to distance themselves from incident.

Kurtz was looking into the relationship then of Obama and Ayers in one of Obama's only positions in which he had executive like responsibilities. Yep, a bunch of government and foundation money changed hands, nothing was accomplished and there now is a cover up. Why would Obama not want to talk about his years of handling the money for the Annenburg challenge? (Besides the fact the much of the money was siphoned off to Ayers "special" projects) Huh? Someone tell me why. Someone tell me why the MSM is not all over this. You all will get what you deserve.

In any case, I won't argue with you Handle about him being a lunatic drunk as who better than the crack-baby to point that out for us. Of course, I missed the part where you pointed out the errors in the Kurtz post. Like most I've run into here...all bluster, no facts.

If Obama is worried about MN then he has reason to worry. (Pretty sure that is the only state Reagan didn't carry in his trouncing of Mondale) Although I did see where the "Mpls. Tribune/Minnesota Poll" this weekend came out showing where Al "never was funny" Franken ahead of the Republican incumbant. Speaking of the bias of the NYT well the Mpls Star and Sickle falls right in line. <insert sound of boot heels clicking togther here>. If anyone cares to go look for the breakdown of political affiliations of the respondents you will find numbers even worse than the numbers I chide people with above. Pathetic is as pathetic does.

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Old 10-05-2008, 02:43 PM
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Please allow me to simplify my point, and express my deepest condolences as it was obviously more than you can hear, and I know all too well how you must feel right now.
You are grasping at straws, and the smell of death surrounds you. You are mixing metaphors (hammer and sickle = communism, clicking boots = fascism) and I really do feel for you. You want to throw in the towel, I guess that's your business, I just thought I'd point out the blood hemorrhaging from your posts, that everyone but you seems to see, but, as usual, you refuse to rise above (that's what transcend means) your denial and subjectivity, and it's none of my concern. Rave on, see how much sympathy you get from the winners. Take care of your own mental health, try to address your anger, it's important. The next eight years are going to test you in ways you can't even begin to imagine right now.

Peace out
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Old 10-05-2008, 04:14 PM
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Nope Handle...just doing my duty to inform. Those that want to learn from my irritations will.

If you don't have any problem with the Ayers relationship and the fact that its been lied about and Obama himself has tried to cover it up...well baaa baaa baaa. Go listen to the Gibson interview with Obama where it is brought up in the MSM. (remember it also being shouted down as out of line for Gibson to ask such questions by the rest of the MSM as well as you and yours) Also compare that description of the relationship with what is known now.

So many of you all are still so shell shocked from the 2 previous elections that you are willing to accept..., no blindly accept, a candidate whose background and experience are both dubious. And because you cannot stand the thought of losing again you even have become complicit by listening to those who would have you ignore the man behind the curtain.
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