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Old 02-04-2011, 05:19 PM
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Default Re: Counter-Enlightenment Edition (David Corn & James Pinkerton)

Originally Posted by Ray in Seattle View Post
Is that why we just spent billions of dollars and thousands of American lives installing democratic regimes in Afghanistan and Iraq?
History didn't start ten years ago, and it hasn't been limited to that part of the world.

Promoting democracy requires developing an appreciation for the values of an open society under the rule of constitutional law and an independent judiciary. These elements are seen as a loss of power by any ruler in an historically Islamist / Arab society. The regime will lose power (and personal / family honor) if they allow such a thing to occur. And so they don't.
I don't disagree with the principles above. I wish the US was more honest about what motivates its interventions. It would be more consistent with those values that you mention.

It's not a flaw in reasoning. It's failure to reconsider one's beliefs in the face of evidence. We all do it - me included. Those who don't share those beliefs are the only ones who can see and point out the errors in them. It's how the brain works to protect its identity.
Yes, but if you start your response reminding your interlocutor of his/her shortcomings, you seem to position yourself in higher ground without even showing any merit of your own. It's a bad tactic to use with intelligent people. That's all.
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