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Old 07-08-2011, 03:01 PM
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Old 07-08-2011, 03:04 PM
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:17 PM
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Old 07-08-2011, 03:26 PM
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Matt, are there really libertarians who don't want tax breaks for charities? I can understand that from a really extreme theoretical standpoint maybe if you're talking in abstractions for a class. Do these people really exist?
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:19 PM
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lol Matt Lewis...maybe you are the 70 y/o guy with a cigar if you haven't been invited to google+
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:21 PM
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One really wonders how long the David Frums and David Brooks of the world will allow themselves to be played but maybe they really think its worth looking so incredibly uninformed in exchange for being every liberal host's go-to conservative basher and party guest.

As to speaking errors, even if you accept the falsehood that Bachmann confused Gacy (who was not born in Waterloo or live there as a child, living there only as an adult in 1966-68, although he did discover he was gay there) with Wayne, list her gaffes alongside those of Obama or Biden and then realize the media double-standard.
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Old 07-09-2011, 09:44 AM
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One really wonders how long the David Frums and David Brooks of the world will allow themselves to be played but maybe they really think its worth looking so incredibly uninformed in exchange for being every liberal host's go-to conservative basher and party guest.
They stand apart, unsullied by partisanship. They're special.
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Old 07-10-2011, 01:18 PM
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One really wonders how long the David Frums and David Brooks of the world will allow themselves to be played but maybe they really think its worth looking so incredibly uninformed in exchange for being every liberal host's go-to conservative basher and party guest.
That's a terrible way of looking at things. These David's really do think they are pursuing a cause greater than partisanship, and the damage to the conservative movement overall is really VERY minimal. So if the Republican party and most conservatives started backing slavery, guess you better not speak out, after all, you might be 'very liberal host's go-to conservative basher'.


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As to speaking errors, even if you accept the falsehood that Bachmann confused Gacy (who was not born in Waterloo or live there as a child, living there only as an adult in 1966-68, although he did discover he was gay there) with Wayne, list her gaffes alongside those of Obama or Biden and then realize the media double-standard.
I agree that this is soooo stupid--do we really think that Bachmann was referencing Gacy??? But I like how you completely insulated yourself on this one. If someone really is stupider/says stupider things, you can't point out their stupidity, it has to be a media double-standard.

So let's compare Obama and Bush. Was Bush the victim of double-standards? Let's start compiling a list of Obamaisms and a list of Bushisms. Feel free to source any ultra-conservative websites you want. I'll start my list with 365:

http://www.amazon.com/GEORGE-BUSHISM.../dp/0740766546
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:44 PM
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Matt stated the obvious: Michelle Bachmann is a looker! It never hurts - that's for sure. Beauty is pleasing to the eye.

To offset the New York Times David Brooks lambasting repubs for not wanting to raise taxes, Gretchen Mortenson of the same paper wrote a book doing the same to Fannie and Freddie for the housing debacle. Apparently, dems like to target the banks more than F & F for the foreclosure mess. I haven't read either of them.
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Old 07-08-2011, 05:31 PM
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Matt stated the obvious: Michelle Bachmann is a looker! It never hurts - that's for sure. Beauty is pleasing to the eye.
You left out "...for a politician."

I felt the same thing for Sarah Palin. If either of them were in many other professions, whether it be newscasting, or veterinary medicine or sales or skeet shooting, no one would be comment on them being lookers. They're only good looking compared to most politicians.

Either that, or I have been incredibly lucky in the people I encounter in my day to day real life world.
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Old 07-08-2011, 05:55 PM
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You left out "...for a politician."

I felt the same thing for Sarah Palin. If either of them were in many other professions, whether it be newscasting, or veterinary medicine or sales or skeet shooting, no one would be comment on them being lookers. They're only good looking compared to most politicians.

Either that, or I have been incredibly lucky in the people I encounter in my day to day real life world.
I don't quite agree with you, though maybe it's just a question of emphasis. Both Bachmann and Palin are extraordinarily good looking. That they're both very successful politicians probably isn't entirely unrelated to that; and Palin was, in fact, a broadcaster before she was a politician. (When you consider that Bachmann is closer to sixty than fifty, her looks seem clearly to be in the top percentile.) I could make a not-quite-untrue crack about the Republican party being largely a party of frustrated men (and how women like these two, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Pamela Oshry/Gellar and others benefit from that) - but regardless, it seems clear that good looks are big asset to a political career, though obviously not a requirement. I really don't think that the good looks of these women are simply incidental or that it's something that ought to be beneath notice.
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Old 07-08-2011, 05:59 PM
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I don't quite agree with you, though maybe it's just a question of emphasis. Both Bachmann and Palin are extraordinarily good looking. That they're both very successful politicians probably isn't entirely unrelated to that; and Palin was, in fact, a broadcaster before she was a politician. (When you consider that Bachmann is closer to sixty than fifty, her looks seem clearly to be in the top percentile.) I could make a not-quite-untrue crack about the Republican party being largely a party of frustrated men (and how women like these two, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Pamela Oshry/Gellar and others benefit from that) - but regardless, it seems clear that good looks are big asset to a political career, though obviously not a requirement. I really don't think that the good looks of these women are simply incidental or that it's something that ought to be beneath notice.
How did you come to that conclusion?
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Old 07-08-2011, 06:14 PM
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1. It seems fairly obvious.
2. Many Democrats are frustrated human beings.
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Old 07-08-2011, 06:20 PM
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1. It seems fairly obvious.
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Old 07-08-2011, 09:28 PM
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1. It seems fairly obvious.
2. Many Democrats are frustrated human beings.
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Thank God, I'm not the only one that sees through this logic. It's hilarious the way you pointed it out. Not so hilarious that this is actually his line of reasoning.
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Old 07-08-2011, 09:00 PM
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I don't quite agree with you, though maybe it's just a question of emphasis. Both Bachmann and Palin are extraordinarily good looking. That they're both very successful politicians probably isn't entirely unrelated to that; and Palin was, in fact, a broadcaster before she was a politician. (When you consider that Bachmann is closer to sixty than fifty, her looks seem clearly to be in the top percentile.)
I will concede that Michelle Bachmann looks above average for a 60 year old woman. I just don't think either are extraordinarily good looking if we are comparing them to any other broad class of people other than politicians.

A better looking woman than either of them sits downstairs at the security desk in my apartment building. Another one sold me a sandwich for lunch. I had a meeting with another today. I will bump into a whole bunch at church on sunday.

I guess for me, I bump into more better looking women during the course of a normal day than I can count on my fingers.

Strokes for folks I guess.
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Old 07-09-2011, 09:54 AM
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Quoting Aemjeff: I could make a not-quite-untrue crack about the Republican party being largely a party of frustrated men (and how women like these two, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Pamela Oshry/Gellar and others benefit from that) - but regardless, it seems clear that good looks are big asset to a political career, though obviously not a requirement. I really don't think that the good looks of these women are simply incidental or that it's something that ought to be beneath notice.
Pardon me for not getting your very sophisticated wink-wink, but what makes you think republican men are frustrated and in what way? And what the hell does republican men being frustrated have to do with good looking women being spokesmen for the party? Are we talking about maybe a picture of Michelle next to the toilet?

And then you go on to say that all these women's good looks are not incidental. Not incidental to what?

Where the hell are the 'sexism' police?
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Old 07-09-2011, 01:20 PM
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Pardon me for not getting your very sophisticated wink-wink, but what makes you think republican men are frustrated and in what way? And what the hell does republican men being frustrated have to do with good looking women being spokesmen for the party? Are we talking about maybe a picture of Michelle next to the toilet?

And then you go on to say that all these women's good looks are not incidental. Not incidental to what?

Where the hell are the 'sexism' police?
Their looks are not incidental to their success as politicians- I really do think I provided enough context to figure that out. If you've ever read right-wing blogs, listened to right-wing talk radio, listened to some idiot go on at length about how his guns are empowering, watched the same people gobble up Sarah-at-the-trigger porn, taken notice when another idiot challenges Ezra Klein to a boxing match because Ezra challenged Michelle Malkin to a public debate, or any of a thousand other manifestations - then you can easily see how the right has created an industry of manipulation, capitalizing on that frustration and channeling it into a potent political force. Note, before you start accusing me of various fallacies that I haven't committed, that I haven't said this is the sole characteristic of the right, or that there isn't some of the same thing on the left. Also take note that I was making a joke that I think is just true enough to be pretty funny.
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Old 07-09-2011, 06:45 PM
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Their looks are not incidental to their success as politicians- I really do think I provided enough context to figure that out.
Not really, but I won't make a deal out of it unless what you mean is that attractive people have an easier time than unattracative ones which seems pretty trivial and not worth mentioning.

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If you've ever read right-wing blogs, listened to right-wing talk radio, listened to some idiot go on at length about how his guns are empowering, watched the same people gobble up Sarah-at-the-trigger porn, taken notice when another idiot challenges Ezra Klein to a boxing match because Ezra challenged Michelle Malkin to a public debate, or any of a thousand other manifestations - then you can easily see how the right has created an industry of manipulation, capitalizing on that frustration and channeling it into a potent political force.
Oh yeah I forgot about all that deeply psychological stuff, sorry. People on the right couldn't possibly have a rational viewpoint and everything in their crazy brains is put there by an industry of manipulation.

PS. What accounts for Nancy Pelosi?
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:13 PM
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PS. What accounts for Nancy Pelosi?
Are you suggesting an analogy? Can you imagine a legion of liberal Onanists engaged in personal worship of the former Speaker? Somewhat less graphically, her political success doesn't seem due to anything like the cults of personality cultivated by Palin, Coulter, Bachmann, et al - the evidence would seem to suggest she's just good at the mechanics of politics: arm twisting, deal-making, coalition-building. In other words she seems a lot more like Boehner than the Republican women I've named.
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:34 PM
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Are you suggesting an analogy? Can you imagine a legion of liberal Onanists engaged in personal worship of the former Speaker? Somewhat less graphically, her political success doesn't seem due to anything like the cults of personality cultivated by Palin, Coulter, Bachmann, et al - the evidence would seem to suggest she's just good at mechanics of politics: arm twisting, deal-making, coalition-building. In other words she seems a lot more like Boehner than the Republican women I've named.
My problem with this is that I don't see the cults of personality as you do.
I think Bachmann represents a framing of the issues that many people agree with. Sarah Palin represents the kind of plain speaking that some people like. Ann Coulter is some kind of warrior in some people's minds. None of these things seems like a cult response or personal worship to me but they are certainly popular. Of course there will always be strange characterizations of these women and I think that some of them may be generated by the left in order to subject them to ridicule. But generally speaking these are women who represent a belief system that some people relate to.

As for the "What accounts for Nancy Pelosi?" What does account for her in a way that does not account for the women mentioned above other than that you like her and find her popularity less suspect? She, along with Palin, Bachmann and Coulter is a woman in the public eye who is ambitious, has an agenda and posesses some power.
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:41 PM
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My problem with this is that I don't see the cults of personality as you do.
I think Bachmann represents a framing of the issues that many people agree with. Sarah Palin represents the kind of plain speaking that some people like. Ann Coulter is some kind of warrior in some people's minds. None of these things seems like a cult response or personal worship to me but they are certainly popular. Of course there will always be strange characterizations of these women and I think that some of them may be generated by the left in order to subject them to ridicule. But generally speaking these are women who represent a belief system that some people relate to.

As for the "What accounts for Nancy Pelosi?" What does account for her in a way that does not account for the women mentioned above other than that you like her and find her popularity less suspect? She, along with Palin, Bachmann and Coulter is a woman in the public eye who is ambitious, has an agenda and posesses some power.
Here is a wicked good assessment of Pelosi. Taibbi without the rage. (I may have posted this before.)

http://nymag.com/news/politics/61736/
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Here is a wicked good assessment of Pelosi.
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For the most part, Pelosi is in a bubble, where much of what passes for politics doesn’t penetrate. Her face, the one with the frozen smile, is her mask. She often seems unaware of how it looks. For her, the world consists of her members, her donors, and her family, plus President Obama and Rahm Emanuel, whom she sometimes speaks to several times a day.
This sounds so right-on. These are the people who run our country. This is the way you get into office. God help us.
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This sounds so right-on. These are the people who run our country. This is the way you get into office. God help us.
Yes, both sides do it, and currently we're on a fast handbasket to hell.
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My problem with this is that I don't see the cults of personality as you do.
I think Bachmann represents a framing of the issues that many people agree with. Sarah Palin represents the kind of plain speaking that some people like. Ann Coulter is some kind of warrior in some people's minds. None of these things seems like a cult response or personal worship to me but they are certainly popular. Of course there will always be strange characterizations of these women and I think that some of them may be generated by the left in order to subject them to ridicule. But generally speaking these are women who represent a belief system that some people relate to.

As for the "What accounts for Nancy Pelosi?" What does account for her in a way that does not account for the women mentioned above other than that you like her and find her popularity less suspect? She, along with Palin, Bachmann and Coulter is a woman in the public eye who is ambitious, has an agenda and posesses some power.
What makes you think I like "Pelosi?" I think she did something extraordinary in her role getting the ACA passed, but I find her personally oily and uninspiring. (I feel the same way about Boehner.) Denying the existence of personality cults associated with Palin, Bachmann and the rest seems a bit willfully blind to me, regardless of what you think of them personally. e.g.
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What makes you think I like "Pelosi?" I think she did something extraordinary in her role getting the ACA passed, but I find her personally oily and uninspiring. (I feel the same way about Boehner.) Denying the existence of personality cults associated with Palin, Bachmann and the rest seems a bit willfully blind to me, regardless of what you think of them personally. e.g.
OK, I'm willfully blind. I think as many people like someone like Pelosi as like the chicks on your list and for similiar reasons. BTW, are there any good looking democrat women?
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OK, I'm willfully blind. I think as many people like someone like Pelosi as like the chicks on your list and for similiar reasons. BTW, are there any good looking democrat women?
My wife is completely bored with me saying that Debbie Wasserman-Schultz looks like young Lauren Bacall. Pelosi's actually pretty attractive given her age, but I'm not quite sure what you mean by "as many people like someone like Pelosi as like the chicks on your list and for similiar reasons." It's just not the case.
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My wife is completely bored with me saying that Debbie Wasserman-Schultz looks like young Lauren Bacall.
OK, so you are the one who's blind.

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Pelosi's actually pretty attractive given her age, but I'm not quite sure what you mean by "as many people like someone like Pelosi as like the chicks on your list and for similiar reasons." It's just not the case
You want to point to the republican women we've been talking about and say they are only popular because of their looks and because they have some kind of Koch machine behind them and republican men are wacky. That's wild speculation on your part, IMHO.

BTW, are there any statistics on how many people like Nancy Pelosi vs people who like Sarah Palin?
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OK, so you are the one who's blind.



You want to point to the republican women we've been talking about and say they are only popular because of their looks and because they have some kind of Koch machine behind them and republican men are wacky. That's wild speculation on your part, IMHO.

BTW, are there any statistics on how many people like Nancy Pelosi vs people who like Sarah Palin?
You're putting words into my mouth. I never said "they are only popular because of their looks" or mentioned a "Koch machine." Nor did I say "Republican men are wacky." If you don't want to address what's actually been said to you, that's fine, but don't expect me to bother responding.
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You're putting words into my mouth. I never said "they are only popular because of their looks" or mentioned a "Koch machine." Nor did I say "Republican men are wacky." If you don't want to address what's actually been said to you, that's fine, but don't expect me to bother responding.
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Blacks should be ashamed of the level of crime found in their community, but anti-black sentiment is self-defeating."
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Yet the only scenario likely to make white nationalism effective as an electoral force within, say, three decades would be the utter failure of our current attempts to limit immigration.

Moreover, making immigration restriction into a white nationalist crusade would wreck the chances of immigration reform passing.

As Talleyrand might have said, "White Nationalism is worse than a crime, it's a mistake."
Just like the Nazis could tell who was a Jew?
You can tell who's plainly a racist?
By smell or just by looking?
Should we tattoo numbers on all of these racists?
Should we round them up into a camp and then gas them all at once to save our precious ammunition?
Should we shave their heads so that they do not contaminate each other with lice?
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You're putting words into my mouth. I never said "they are only popular because of their looks" or mentioned a "Koch machine." Nor did I say "Republican men are wacky." If you don't want to address what's actually been said to you, that's fine, but don't expect me to bother responding.
True, what you said was:

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...I could make a not-quite-untrue crack about the Republican party being largely a party of frustrated men (and how women like these two, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Pamela Oshry/Gellar and others benefit from that)...
(post #4, this thread)

To clarify, do you mean that conservative men are sexually frustrated, or just frustrated, in general?

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True, what you said was:

(post #10, this thread)

To clarify, do you mean that conservative men are sexually frustrated, or just frustrated, in general?
Try here.
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Try here.
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If you've ever read right-wing blogs, listened to right-wing talk radio, listened to some idiot go on at length about how his guns are empowering, watched the same people gobble up Sarah-at-the-trigger porn, taken notice when another idiot challenges Ezra Klein to a boxing match because Ezra challenged Michelle Malkin to a public debate, or any of a thousand other manifestations - then you can easily see how the right has created an industry of manipulation, capitalizing on that frustration and channeling it into a potent political force.
Based on this you think conservative men are more sexually frustrated than liberal men?
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Based on this you think conservative men are more sexually frustrated than liberal men?
Try reading the entire post.
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Try reading the entire post.
Okay, I just re-read it. What in particular did you wish me to concentrate on? You originally posited:

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I could make a not-quite-untrue crack about the Republican party being largely a party of frustrated men...
(post #4, this thread)

That suggests to me that you are saying that there are more sexually frustrated conservative men than frustrated liberal men. I am asking how you obtain this observation from the bolded part of your this statement:

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Their looks are not incidental to their success as politicians- I really do think I provided enough context to figure that out. If you've ever read right-wing blogs, listened to right-wing talk radio, listened to some idiot go on at length about how his guns are empowering, watched the same people gobble up Sarah-at-the-trigger porn, taken notice when another idiot challenges Ezra Klein to a boxing match because Ezra challenged Michelle Malkin to a public debate, or any of a thousand other manifestations - then you can easily see how the right has created an industry of manipulation, capitalizing on that frustration and channeling it into a potent political force. Note, before you start accusing me of various fallacies that I haven't committed, that I haven't said this is the sole characteristic of the right, or that there isn't some of the same thing on the left. Also take note that I was making a joke that I think is just true enough to be pretty funny.
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Okay, I just re-read it. What in particular did you wish me to concentrate on? You originally posited:

(post #4, this thread)

That suggests to me that you are saying that there are more sexually frustrated conservative men than frustrated liberal men. I am asking how you obtain this observation from the bolded part of your this statement:
You're conflating your own apparent intolerance for ambiguity with an obligation on my part to resolve it. I said as much as I believe and no less than that. Try reading the unbolded parts for more clarification. There's no more available than that.
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You're conflating your own apparent intolerance for ambiguity with an obligation on my part to resolve it. I said as much as I believe and no less than that. Try reading the unbolded parts for more clarification. There's no more available than that.
I was asking you to back up your claim. Thanks for your time.
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I was asking you to back up your claim. Thanks for your time.
And yet you refused to take my word about what that claim was. You're welcome.
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OK, I'm willfully blind. I think as many people like someone like Pelosi as like the chicks on your list and for similiar reasons. BTW, are there any good looking democrat women?
I assume you mean democratic women politicians, because isn't hollywood supposed to be nothing but dems, and there are at least a couple of good looking women there.

I'd take Stephanie Miller over Ann Coulter any day. Ditto Kerry Washington over Pamela Gellar.
But as for politicians, Jennifer Granholm, Loretta Sanchez, etc.

I am not convinced that the looks of Palin and Bachman make that much of a difference. Rather, it appears to because whatever motivates the people who vote for them, it isn't competence, as is usually defined.
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I assume you mean democratic women politicians, because isn't hollywood supposed to be nothing but dems, and there are at least a couple of good looking women there.

I'd take Stephanie Miller over Ann Coulter any day. Ditto Kerry Washington over Pamela Gellar.
But as for politicians, Jennifer Granholm, Loretta Sanchez, etc.

I am not convinced that the looks of Palin and Bachman make that much of a difference. Rather, it appears to because whatever motivates the people who vote for them, it isn't competence, as is usually defined.
Thanks for acknowledging at least something I said. I was getting a little weary of the shell game Jeff was playing. I'm sure there are a lot of good looking dem women, I just couldn't think of any at the time. Gabby Giffords is lovely. I just hope she'll be able to recover some of her former life.

Palin and Bachmann have charisma. It's impossible to put one's finger on it but you know it when you see it. Clinton (bill) has it too.
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