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Old 04-26-2010, 10:03 PM
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Old 04-26-2010, 11:01 PM
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Mr. McWhorter talks about a young person coming of age in the sixties, when so many of the social norms were turned upside down. The person he used as an example was Julian Bond.
Mr. Bond was a member of the Georgia Legislature during the Vietnam War. He denounced the war from the floor the legislature, and in turn, the legislature tried to take his seat away.
Being an elected official is not the same as being a young man coming of age. There are lots of other people he could have used as an example.
Tonight, while listening to this dialog, I was editing pictures that I took on a walk in my own neighborhood, just outside Atlanta. I will be posting them sooner or later to Chamblee54. Last night I sat through several dialogs while assembling a collection of soldier pictures for Confederate Memorial Day.
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Old 04-26-2010, 11:22 PM
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McWhorter's summary of Wax's book connects dots that do not connect. He starts with Wax's (or Loury's) metaphorical premise: (A) The truck driver can't make the injured party walk again but he can provide the financial resources to facilitate the recovery.

But then McWhorter says that Wax, on the basis of (A), recommends (B): "letting go of all government programs to help black people."

Trouble is, (A) in no way, shape, or form, implies (B). In fact, if anything, it implies (not-B).

So what's Wax's argument?
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Old 04-26-2010, 11:48 PM
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So what's Wax's argument?
Haven't read it, but I heard John suggest:

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Trouble is, (A) in no way, shape, or form, implies (B). In fact, if anything, it implies (not-B).
It does if (B) disallows the self-reliance that walking again entails. I offer that just to clarify, not knowing the source material, so it's not a defense. But the simple point that both speakers made rings true. With or without the outside help, government perhaps, the agency for "walking" is inherent, not outer directed.
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Old 04-27-2010, 01:10 AM
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Haven't read it, but I heard John suggest:

It does if [government help] disallows the self-reliance that walking again entails. I offer that just to clarify, not knowing the source material, so it's not a defense.
I agree. But the metaphor is the wrong one then. In our ueber-litigious society, that truly will be the day when a judge denies a hit-and-run victim compensation "because it might hamper the self-reliance needed for the victim's recovery." So Wax and McWhorter have to be more careful with their metaphors.
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Old 04-27-2010, 01:40 AM
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I agree. But the metaphor is the wrong one then. In our ueber-litigious society, that truly will be the day when a judge denies a hit-and-run victim compensation "because it might hamper the self-reliance needed for the victim's recovery." So Wax and McWhorter have to be more careful with their metaphors.
Yes, 20 lashes with a wet noodle for using a simple metaphor.
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Old 04-27-2010, 10:18 AM
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So Wax and McWhorter have to be more careful with their metaphors.
Yes, that's the problem with metaphors. There may be some overlap in meaning between the argument that wants to be made, and the message illustrated by the metaphor. However, both are not identical. One could argue that the injured person needs medical attention (government programs) to bring them back to a state of health that would allow walking. Metaphors are just metaphors.
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Old 04-27-2010, 11:17 AM
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Yes, that's the problem with metaphors. There may be some overlap in meaning between the argument that wants to be made, and the message illustrated by the metaphor. However, both are not identical. One could argue that the injured person needs medical attention (government programs) to bring them back to a state of health that would allow walking. Metaphors are just metaphors.
I think that was Glenn's original point. The truck (representing slavery) driver's insurance (representing government programs to try to help even the field), can all be present, but it's up to the victim (representing some blacks who eventually have to get up and walk/take responsibility for the consequences of their actions, e.g., out-of-wedlock birthrate, etc.)
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Old 04-27-2010, 11:24 AM
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Yes, that's the problem with metaphors.
Commenter 'look' above mistook my point as nitpicking. The issue is not whether the metaphor is perfect. It is that the metaphor infers exactly the opposite of what the speaker is trying to say. So, without an argument behind it, McWhorter's "virtue ethics" approach to the ghetto rings hollow and facile.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:23 PM
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Yes, that's the problem with metaphors. There may be some overlap in meaning between the argument that wants to be made, and the message illustrated by the metaphor. However, both are not identical. One could argue that the injured person needs medical attention (government programs) to bring them back to a state of health that would allow walking. Metaphors are just metaphors.
Steven Pinker has lots to say about metaphor in his book. The Stuff of Thought.

"But that presupposes that the mind itself works metaphorically, that we see the abstract commonality between argument and war, between progress and motion. And it presupposes that the mind, at some level, must reason very concretely in order that these metaphors be understand and become contagious."
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:37 PM
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Steven Pinker has lots to say about metaphor in his book. The Stuff of Thought.

"But that presupposes that the mind itself works metaphorically, that we see the abstract commonality between argument and war, between progress and motion. And it presupposes that the mind, at some level, must reason very concretely in order that these metaphors be understand and become contagious."
I have "The Stuff of Thought" right behind me in my bookcase, waiting for a better time, when I can concentrate in long reading. I usually like to read for hours uninterrupted.

Metaphors, when well used, capture the essence of an idea in a way that literal words or descriptions cannot. However, if the metaphor is ambiguous, it can be dissonant to those that capture the opposite view contained in it. This was the case for the metaphor used here, it leaves gaps that can be easily filled by its counterargument.
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Old 04-26-2010, 11:39 PM
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Nice to see John and Glen again. I wonder if these guys are dark enough to be allowed to discuss race on bhtv.
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Old 04-26-2010, 11:51 PM
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Nice to see John and Glen again.
Yes. Looking forward to the continuation.

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That's just silly. Care to elaborate?
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:57 AM
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Graz, see here. And the ensuing discussion in the current comment court.
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Old 04-27-2010, 01:09 AM
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Old 04-26-2010, 11:57 PM
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Nice to see John and Glen again. I wonder if these guys are dark enough to be allowed to discuss race on bhtv.
Yes, they're dark enough, but McWhorter talks too white.

heh...love ya, John and Glenn.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:52 AM
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You can tell Glenn is in a zone when he looks up at some wall and starts talking like he's reading straight out of his mind.
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Old 04-27-2010, 01:08 AM
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Did these two deeply reasoning and usually reasonable guys just claim to know a trapped in amber politician who has no possible motive to perpetuate a lie?
Blind spot.
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Old 04-27-2010, 01:35 AM
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Did these two deeply reasoning and usually reasonable guys just claim to know a trapped in amber politician who has no possible motive to perpetuate a lie?
Blind spot.
Or more likely, he imaginined it. I'd still like to know why the Black Caucus and Pelosi felt it necessary to take a detour through the crowds.
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Old 04-27-2010, 01:27 AM
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Glen, please stop jiggling your camera. I'm feeling motion sick watching you.

As per usual, interesting conversation.
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Old 04-27-2010, 02:27 AM
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The racism card is the greatest tool of the left. It is their great tool for shutting down debate. If your white your guilty until proven innocent when it comes to race. Your a inherent racist and you must prove your not racist by voting for Obama and calling white people "racists" for talking about immigration.

Wanna talk about whether mass immigration is good for the nation?
NO, YOUR A RACIST!

Wanna critize Obama as a white person without the requisite yuppiness?
NO, YOUR A RACIST!

Wanna talk about legalized anti-white racism (aka affirmative action & racial quotas)?
NO, YOUR A RACIST!

Wanna have a protest without "enough" black people?
YOUR A RACIST!

Americans are getting desencetized to the racism card. YOUR TRICK FOR SHUTING DOWN THOUGHT AND DEBATE DOESN'T WORK ANY MORE, LEFTISTS!

p.s.

I don't accuse Glenn or John of using this card.

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Old 04-27-2010, 03:00 AM
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The racism card is the greatest tool of the left. It is their great tool for shutting down debate. If your white your guilty until proven innocent when it comes to race. Your a inherent racist and you must prove your not racist by voting for Obama and calling white people "racists" for talking about immigration.

Wanna talk about whether mass immigration is good for the nation?
NO, YOUR A RACIST!

Wanna critize Obama as a white person without the requisite yuppiness?
NO, YOUR A RACIST!

Wanna talk about legalized anti-white racism (aka affirmative action & racial quotas)?
NO, YOUR A RACIST!

Wanna have a protest without "enough" black people?
YOUR A RACIST!

Americans are getting desencetized to the racism card. YOUR TRICK FOR SHUTING DOWN THOUGHT AND DEBATE DOESN'T WORK ANY MORE, LEFTISTS!

p.s.

I don't accuse Glenn or John of using this card.
Hint: using all caps doesn't encourage other people to take you seriously. Also, those squiggly red lines appear under certain words for a reason.
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Old 04-27-2010, 03:34 AM
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"You're" not "your. "

I would have let it slide the first five times, but it got really annoying by the middle of the post.
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Old 04-27-2010, 03:42 AM
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The racism card is the greatest tool of the left. It is their great tool for shutting down debate. If your white your guilty until proven innocent when it comes to race. Your a inherent racist and you must prove your not racist by voting for Obama and calling white people "racists" for talking about immigration.

Wanna talk about whether mass immigration is good for the nation?
NO, YOUR A RACIST!

Wanna critize Obama as a white person without the requisite yuppiness?
The deliberate misspellings and ALL CAPS - nice Moby Touch.
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Old 04-28-2010, 11:54 AM
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The deliberate misspellings and ALL CAPS - nice Moby Touch.
Next time go for Prince. Something like "I M a RAycist 4 U 2nite"
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Old 04-27-2010, 11:29 AM
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Americans are getting desencetized to the racism card. YOUR TRICK FOR SHUTING DOWN THOUGHT AND DEBATE DOESN'T WORK ANY MORE, LEFTISTS!
desensitized also, it would seem, to the "spelling" card. NO LONGER WILL MY LACK OF BASIC MIDDLE SCHOOL WRITING SKILLS SHUT DOWN MY THOUGHT AND DEBATE LEFTISTS.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:26 PM
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The racism card is the greatest tool of the left.
If I'm not mistaken, Baltimoron pointed this out in a thread a while back. (looked, but can't locate it) But he had another take on it. He said that the left's epistemic closure is political correctness.

So maybe it follows that one side will attack the other side with the thing that they are most closed minded about.

Or something like that......
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:41 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, Baltimoron pointed this out in a thread a while back. (looked, but can't locate it) But he had another take on it. He said that the left's epistemic closure is political correctness.
You are mistaken. It was BornAgainDemocrat.

Baltimoron would not say something so stupid.
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Old 04-28-2010, 09:07 PM
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Thanks, I think. I'm not even so sure what BornAgainDemocrat was saying!

But, talk about racism tends to be binary. Angry white guys talk about the illegitimacy of talking about racism and everybody else making substantive complaints angry white guys lump together as racist as a means to discredit.
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Old 04-29-2010, 01:07 PM
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The racism card is the greatest tool of the left. It is their great tool for shutting down debate. If your white your guilty until proven innocent when it comes to race. Your a inherent racist and you must prove your not racist by voting for Obama and calling white people "racists" for talking about immigration.

Wanna talk about whether mass immigration is good for the nation?
NO, YOUR A RACIST!

Wanna critize Obama as a white person without the requisite yuppiness?
NO, YOUR A RACIST!

Wanna talk about legalized anti-white racism (aka affirmative action & racial quotas)?
NO, YOUR A RACIST!

Wanna have a protest without "enough" black people?
YOUR A RACIST!

Americans are getting desencetized to the racism card. YOUR TRICK FOR SHUTING DOWN THOUGHT AND DEBATE DOESN'T WORK ANY MORE, LEFTISTS!

p.s.

I don't accuse Glenn or John of using this card.

LOL, worried about being stereotyped? Should I say 'get over it' or welcome to the party? The 'right' ALWAYS claims someone is persecuting them, shutting them down. Yet 24hrs a day up & down the radio dial, no matter where you are in the country you can hear far right host & their callers shouting in their echo chamber.

Wanna talk about immigration but not include going after employers/businesses & people who hire them. Wanna let cops stop brown people on the street but not bother White employers & private citizens who hire them.
YOU'RE NOT SERIOUS

Wanna talk about affirmative action and exclude White women and the subsequent benefit to White families. Wanna talk about Affirmative Action meaning a 10% (all minorities competing against each other) quota is REALLY a set aside (90%) for Whites.

You may not be racist but you lack perspective.

Wanna know where your arrogant ignorance & propensity to simplify issues along racial lines comes from?
YOUR RACISM

ps: did you follow the use of you're vs your? If you're going to shout, you might wanna check that....
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Old 04-27-2010, 02:30 AM
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Here's the actual video from a couple sources showing how the CBC members were "rushed," threats were made, and a bunch of racists screamed "n*gger" over and over. Oops... maybe John Lewis was lying.
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Old 04-27-2010, 02:55 AM
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Great diavlog. Thoughtful, clear-headed, insightful and unblinkered. Looking forward to Part 2.
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Old 04-27-2010, 07:28 AM
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Additionally, the title idea was better covered on 30 Rock recently.
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Old 04-27-2010, 10:41 AM
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This was a very interesting conversation. I was left suspecting that there is an internal struggle that both John and Glenn experience when they discuss this topic. The central topic is "Is racism over or is it not?" Here we have two accomplished scholars who are black. One would think, on surface, that they represent the best example (not to talk about Obama again), of the triumph of the civil rights movement. The problem is that academics (of any race), don't represent the rest of the population.

The diavloggers explore the definitions of racism from the more extreme forms of the last century to the more subtle ones. It would be helpful to know whether the subtle forms are just the tail end of racism, or whether they could represent, if unchecked, the seed for a return to more malignant forms of racism. Monitoring public opinion, and the emergence of political or social movements that are rooted in some racial idea are important parameters. I find that public displays of racial comments, and the emergence of white pride (which appears to be a concealed form of white supremacy) are disturbing. Are these a passing, self limited reaction to having a black president? Are these politically manipulated rancors? Or are these the incipient seeds of a dangerously regressive movement?

Looking back at history, it seems that we are not particularly good at predicting nefarious outcomes as they develop. A quick review of the emergence of the Nazi movement, the emergence of Al-Qaeda, or even the financial crisis are good examples. Without being an alarmist, a monitoring eye and an attitude of caution seem to be in order.

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Old 04-27-2010, 02:35 PM
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[...] The central topic is "Is racism over or is it not?" [...] It would be helpful to know whether the subtle forms are just the tail end of racism, or whether they could represent, if unchecked, the seed for a return to more malignant forms of racism.
To begin to answer this, let's look at today's cover of the newspaper Byron York works for:

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Old 04-27-2010, 03:12 PM
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To begin to answer this, let's look at today's cover of the newspaper Byron York works for:

Here's the article in full:

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Obama's election year pitch leaves out white males
By: Julie Mason
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April 27, 2010
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President Obama's tricky, midterm election strategy relies on luring back the first-time voters who supported him in 2008 plus re-engaging women, blacks, young voters and Hispanics.

In a video message emailed to more than 13 million supporters, Obama said Democrats need a 2008 repeat.

"It will be up to each of you to make sure that the young people, African-Americans, Latinos and women, who powered our victory in 2008, stand together once again," Obama said. "It will be up to each of you to keep our nation moving forward."

Conservatives said the move was racially divisive -- asking rhetorically what would happen if a president called for unity among white voters to win an election. But the strategy reflects political reality. Polls show Obama's support among white males has dropped off -- in large part over economic issues and his health-care plan.

"I think a lot of white men, a few Republicans but mostly independents, are the people leaving Obama in droves," said Aubrey Jewett, a political scientist at the University of Central Florida. "Realistically the Democrats don't think they have a chance of getting them back between now and November."

Exit polls from the 2008 election showed Obama fared relatively well with white male voters, garnering 41 percent of white men and 43 percent of the white voters overall.

By contrast, John Kerry in 2004 won 37 percent of white male voters and 41 percent of all white voters. Al Gore in 2000 picked up 35 percent of the white male vote and 42 percent of the total white vote.

But with polls showing Obama's job approval among men lagging women by 10 points and by a similar margin among white voters compared to the electorate, the Obama White House is looking elsewhere for votes.

"It's always a tough race if you're the incumbent in this kind of economic environment," Obama said.

And without Obama on the ballot in November, persuading his 2008 supporters back to the polls will prove a major challenge for the Democratic Party, particularly among the 2008 first-time voters and young voters.

Exit polls in New Jersey and Virginia statewide races last year showed a significant drop-off among younger voters compared with 2008. Just nine percent of voters under 30 turned out in New Jersey, compared with 17 percent in 2008.

To that end, the White House is pushing climate legislation and immigration reform -- keyed to specific special interests -- as another way to drum up support in the fall.

How far the administration is willing to push on either issue remains an open question. The long-awaited climate legislation fell apart over the weekend, after Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, a key backer, dropped his support over a concurrent push for immigration reform.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs declined to say which measure Obama would prefer to see completed first, saying the administration would like to see progress on both fronts.

Republican strategist Alex Conant noted the White House has yet to offer any policy draft on immigration reform, suggesting the administration wants to use the issue in the campaign without officially tackling it.

"This is an extremely political White House and no doubt the president's advisors view immigration within the political context of dividing Republicans and picking up some votes while publicly pushing it," Conant said.



Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/po...#ixzz0mKBeqeYI
Any particular problem with it, Brendan, or did you just wish to associate Byron York with racism or to promote the the Wonkette kool kid's facile use of the article? And gee whiz, B, Obama dissed you and all his other white male supporters on this board and elsewhere. For shame.
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Old 04-27-2010, 03:19 PM
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Here's the article in full:

Any particular problem with it, Brendan, or did you just wish to associate Byron York with racism or to promote the the Wonkette kool kid's facile use of the article? And gee whiz, B, Obama dissed you and all his other white male supporters on this board and elsewhere. For shame.
I don't think it was Brendan who chose to distill that headline from the text you quoted. It was the Examiner who deliberately set in 96 point type the phrase "Obama disses white guys" and put that banner on their front page. The Right has its "kool kids" too, and Byron is certainly among them, and the editorial choices of the paper he works for certainly figure legitimately into Ocean's questions about racism that Brendan was answering with that post.
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Old 04-27-2010, 04:25 PM
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I don't think it was Brendan who chose to distill that headline from the text you quoted. It was the Examiner who deliberately set in 96 point type the phrase "Obama disses white guys" and put that banner on their front page. The Right has its "kool kids" too, and Byron is certainly among them, and the editorial choices of the paper he works for certainly figure legitimately into Ocean's questions about racism that Brendan was answering with that post.
Oh, now you're talking to me? Not a friggin' smilie for my Bob Hope post to you, but to this you'll deign to reply?

Obama targets a video to blacks, latinos, and women, and it is not perceived by you, Brendan, or Ocean to be racist or sexist?

You think York is one of the Right's kool kids? I never got that far...
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Oh, now you're talking to me? Not a friggin' smilie for my Bob Hope post to you, but to this you'll deign to reply?

Obama targets a video to blacks, latinos, and women, and it is not perceived by you, Brendan, or Ocean to be racist or sexist?

You think York is one of the Right's kool kids? I never got that far...
Sorry? I wasn't not talking to you, so far as I know. (I enjoyed your Bob Hope post, but I saw it after it seemed like the conversation had moved on - sorry I didn't share.)

But, yeah, on the substance of your post - I see zero racism or sexism in that. In fact, the assertion seems silly on its face. Why would anybody complain about a Democrat looking to strengthen a winning coalition, except a Republican? Seriously. If you want to see racism, look to Nixon's Southern Strategy - deliberately playing to the prejudices and hatreds of Southern whites, ditto Jesse Helms' Senate campaign. Here, Byron, and the Examiner, and, I think, you, are trying way too hard to find a reason to criticize regardless of the evidence.
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Sorry? I wasn't not talking to you, so far as I know. (I enjoyed your Bob Hope post, but I saw it after it seemed like the conversation had moved on - sorry I didn't share.)

But, yeah, on the substance of your post - I see zero racism or sexism in that. In fact, the assertion seems silly on its face. Why would anybody complain about a Democrat looking to strengthen a winning coalition, except a Republican? Seriously. If you want to see racism, look to Nixon's Southern Strategy - deliberately playing to the prejudices and hatreds of Southern whites, ditto Jesse Helms' Senate campaign. Here, Byron, and the Examiner, and, I think, you, are trying way too hard to find a reason to criticize regardless of the evidence.
Has it occurred to you that this is a reverse double twist with a half-pike on the Southern Strategy, but it's okay because Obama is black?
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