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Old 08-27-2009, 04:53 AM
LeeBowman LeeBowman is offline
 
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Default Re: Irreducibly Complex Edition (John McWhorter & Michael Behe)

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"Its a bit sad for someone who claims to use a scientific background and approach to continue making the claim that certain biological structures and processes are "irreducably complex" and that no attempts have been made in scientific literature to explain their development when the literature does in fact explore their development."
Attemps are constantly being made, and the TTSS hypothesis has been injected with its own toxins, multiple times. There is absolutely no evidence of flagellar precursers, or an ancestral form. Miller is blowing smoke regarding IC refutation.

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" ... even if nobody had yet studied these structures and developed theories as to how they developed, jumping from that to the claim that "these are complicated and we don't yet understand their development so it must be magical creation" would remain mighty unpersuasive."
Random mutations as the sole source of complexity and novelty?! That deserves the 'magic' connotation.

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Its a bit strange that John McWhorter finds that argument compelling and interesting."
Why?

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"I'm a bit more interested in why one should consider complexity evidence of magic. Why not elegant simplicity? Why should a magically created flagellum have or need components?"
It's 'components' are observable. And functional. Magic is just a term for something we don't understand. Random mutations to produce structured order, complexity, synergistic systems and aesthetics is the best example I can think of.
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