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Old 04-01-2011, 12:05 PM
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Old 04-01-2011, 12:46 PM
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The Congressional Joint Resolution 114, "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq (AUMF)", passed the House by a vote of 296-133 on October 10 of 2002, and the Senate by a vote of 77-23 the following day. Bush The Younger did not act in Iraq prior to this authorization.

According to Bill, this is "lip service" to consulting with Congress, and Obama bombing the crap out of Libya before even SPEAKING to Congress amounts to pretty much exactly what "every Republican president has ever done."

You are engaging in naked Team Blue vs. Team Red cheerleading, Bill, and I think you're smart enough to know it.
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Old 04-01-2011, 02:32 PM
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The Congressional Joint Resolution 114, "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq (AUMF)", passed the House by a vote of 296-133 on October 10 of 2002, and the Senate by a vote of 77-23 the following day. Bush The Younger did not act in Iraq prior to this authorization.

According to Bill, this is "lip service" to consulting with Congress, and Obama bombing the crap out of Libya before even SPEAKING to Congress amounts to pretty much exactly what "every Republican president has ever done."

You are engaging in naked Team Blue vs. Team Red cheerleading, Bill, and I think you're smart enough to know it.
The AUMF was passed 160 prior to the actual invasion. Yes it was before. Waaaaaaaaay before. Before the UN inspections in fact, which couldn't find any WMD. Not exactly quality consultation. Let's not rewrite history.
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Old 04-01-2011, 02:39 PM
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The AUMF was passed 160 prior to the actual invasion. Yes it was before. Waaaaaaaaay before. Before the UN inspections in fact, which couldn't find any WMD. Not exactly quality consultation. Let's not rewrite history.
Let's not forget the mendacious public sales job the Bush Administration was concurrently engaged in regarding the nature and the quality of the evidence they held wrt Iraqi weapons programs.
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Old 04-01-2011, 07:26 PM
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The AUMF was passed 160 prior to the actual invasion. Yes it was before. Waaaaaaaaay before. Before the UN inspections in fact, which couldn't find any WMD. Not exactly quality consultation. Let's not rewrite history.
So is the standard a matter of timing? Are you saying that there would have been a different outcome if the vote had taken place closer to the invasion? say February 2003?
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Old 04-01-2011, 09:19 PM
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So is the standard a matter of timing? Are you saying that there would have been a different outcome if the vote had taken place closer to the invasion? say February 2003?
I don't know what you mean by "the standard." But my comments in the thread are not about technical legal standards, just about the argument whether Bush seriously "consulted" Congress before decided to attack Iraq. And in that instance, it's not just that the AUMF vote happened 160 days prior to the attack. It's that a major development happened between the vote and the attack -- a UN inspection that came up empty -- and that did not trigger any formal revisiting of the AUMF. If the Bush administration really felt that they could not launch an attack without a real endorsement from Congress, and it returned to Congress for a vote in March 2003 without any WMD found, sure, the outcome could have been different.
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Old 04-01-2011, 09:41 PM
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I don't know what you mean by "the standard." But my comments in the thread are not about technical legal standards, just about the argument whether Bush seriously "consulted" Congress before decided to attack Iraq. And in that instance, it's not just that the AUMF vote happened 160 days prior to the attack. It's that a major development happened between the vote and the attack -- a UN inspection that came up empty -- and that did not trigger any formal revisiting of the AUMF. If the Bush administration really felt that they could not launch an attack without a real endorsement from Congress, and it returned to Congress for a vote in March 2003 without any WMD found, sure, the outcome could have been different.
OK. So could the Congress have revisited the issue on its own? And since it didn't couldn't it be construed that the Congress wanted to stand pat? I'm not arguing, just really interested in your view on this 'cause I wasn't following that closely in those dark days.
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Old 04-01-2011, 10:29 PM
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OK. So could the Congress have revisited the issue on its own? And since it didn't couldn't it be construed that the Congress wanted to stand pat? I'm not arguing, just really interested in your view on this 'cause I wasn't following that closely in those dark days.
Well, yes, that is a fair point as far as Congress exercising its own responsibility and legal authority -- a bit separate from the (not necessarily legal) question of what amounts to sufficient "consultation" by the president with Congress. And it applies to Congress today as well as in 2003. In other words, for a member of Congress to publicly whine about no formal consultation before a military action, then do nothing themselves regarding the funding of that military action, is a complete abdication of his or her own responsibilities.

Though in 2003, the Senate had just flipped to the Republicans and the House was already Republican, so I don't think they were all that inclined to insist upon a fresh round of formal consultation before the bombs dropped.
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Old 04-01-2011, 10:47 PM
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Though in 2003, the Senate had just flipped to the Republicans and the House was already Republican, so I don't think they were all that inclined to insist upon a fresh round of formal consultation before the bombs dropped.
Probably not.

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Old 04-01-2011, 01:48 PM
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The dems don't want any controls on the deficit and the repubs want a balance budget amendment/not raising the debt ceiling. Both are not pragmantic and there must be a middle way. Also, quibbling over a 30 billion dollar cut in a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit is laughable as is cutting off NPR and Planned Parenthood. Not being a finance type I am unsure of what they should do but I think the mandate from the last election is for them to get serious about the National Debt.

Sorry, I haven't read the "The Moment of Truth: Report On the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform" but I doubt this is what they had in mind.

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Old 04-01-2011, 02:01 PM
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The dems don't want any controls on the deficit and the repubs want a balance budget amendment. Both are not pragmantic and there must be a middle way. Also, quibbling over a 30 billion dollar cut in a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit is laughable as is cutting off NPR and Planned Parenthood. Not being a finance type I am unsure of what they should do but I think the mandate from the last election is for them to get serious about the National Debt.
That not really accurate, I think. The Republicans do seem to be, idiotically I think, closing in on unanimity regarding a BBA, but the Democrats' complaint isn't about "controls," it's about the fact that all of the effort at control is concentrated on clamping discretionary spending without any attention to revenue (must not tax!). The difference is about on whom the burden will placed. Republicans favor measures that hurt the people with the fewest defenses. Democrats prefer better load balancing.
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Old 04-01-2011, 06:55 PM
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Washington bureaucrats, you mean?

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But what's a few hundred billion when the Cowboy Poet's Convention is at risk?
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Old 04-01-2011, 07:26 PM
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Washington bureaucrats, you mean?

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But what's a few hundred billion when the Cowboy Poet's Convention is at risk?
If some smart, intellectually honest people (on the R, who does that leave, Alan Simpson?) wanted to take that GAO report and untangle that mess, I'd be happy. Right now it's Cantor and Ryan, and the lumpenteebeutel wing in the House is having hissy fits trying to make the process even stupider. "Waste fraud and abuse" has been the rallying cry of incompetent reformers for most of our adult lives - we need a better strategy.
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Old 04-01-2011, 07:28 PM
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If some smart, intellectually honest people (on the R, who does that leave, Alan Simpson?) wanted to take that GAO report and untangle that mess, I'd be happy. Right now it's Cantor and Ryan, and the lumpenteebeutel wing in the House is having hissy fits trying to make the process even stupider. "Waste fraud and abuse" has been the rallying cry of incompetent reformers for most of our adult lives - we need a better strategy.
Wait! I know, tax the rich!
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Old 04-01-2011, 07:42 PM
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Wait! I know, tax the rich!
Solve your revenue problems where the revenue exists! It's a start.
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Old 04-01-2011, 07:50 PM
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Solve your revenue problems where the revenue exists! It's a start.
From each...to each.
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Old 04-01-2011, 07:58 PM
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From each...to each.
Yep, a return to the Clinton tax rates is, in fact, identical to socialism.

Indeed, a progressive tax code is socialism.

Now that we've established that the US has been socialist for quite some time (we were superduper socialist during the McCarthy era, oddly enough), could we stop acting as if calling something "socialist" (under this new, rather meaningless definition) was a substantive political argument?
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Old 04-01-2011, 09:35 PM
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Yep, a return to the Clinton tax rates is, in fact, identical to socialism.

Indeed, a progressive tax code is socialism.

Now that we've established that the US has been socialist for quite some time (we were superduper socialist during the McCarthy era, oddly enough), could we stop acting as if calling something "socialist" (under this new, rather meaningless definition) was a substantive political argument?
Actually that would be Marxist

Would increasing tax rates really solve anything? What some people are afraid of is that tax hikes will give a green light to more government spending. Agree with it or not, that's the reasoning behind holding the tax rates where they are.

Some people are alarmed at the growth of the government. I think that is a substantive politcal point of view. Jeff believes taxing the rich is the perfect solution. I disagree. I would much rather decrease the size and scope of government.

I replied to his post with the offhand phrase from each...to each. which is to me the idea behind wanting to tax the rich (who pay the majority of taxes anyway) instead of cutting the cost of government.

This just in! the unemployment rate is 8.8% and the US is pulling out of the Libyan conflict.
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Old 04-01-2011, 09:39 PM
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This just in! the unemployment rate is 8.8% and the US is pulling out of the Libyan conflict.
Guess the stimulus might not be "failed" after all?

How about if we raise taxes under a program designed to also limit spending with the goal of reducing, or eliminating the deficit?
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Old 04-01-2011, 09:48 PM
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Guess the stimulus might not be "failed" after all?
No, American business wrested itself from the bonds of enslavement brought about by a liberal administration.

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That was tried during the Reagan administration. He cut taxes, Congress didn't cut spending. I know! there was Starwars.

I would go for that. Who goes first?
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Old 04-01-2011, 09:59 PM
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No, American business wrested itself from the bonds of enslavement brought about by a liberal administration.
LOL That and around 1.4 trillion in government money can buy you 8.8% employment, and a cup of coffee....starbucks even... oh, and maybe, just maybe (we will never know), avoid a very long, and very serious depression.


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That was tried during the Reagan administration. He cut taxes, Congress didn't cut spending. I know! there was Starwars.

I would go for that. Who goes first?
The goal needs to be balance the budget.. not kill the Fed. Do I need to say Clinton?

Clinton!! I know! There was hanky panky!
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LOL That and around 1.4 trillion in government money can buy you 8.8% employment, and a cup of coffee....starbucks even... oh, and maybe, just maybe (we will never know), avoid a very long, and very serious depression.
I almost forgot, now it's going to be time to give back to the government that is for the people, by the people, and bailed out the people... again.
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Old 04-01-2011, 09:52 PM
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The talk on the streets is that many of the jobs people are getting are either not well paying or they are temporary. There will be structural high unemployment for years to come. Even Robert Reich said the unemployment stat is bogus - it's way too low. He said this when he was Secretary of Labor under Clinton and obviously was this was not well received.
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The talk on the streets is that many of the jobs people are getting are either not well paying or they are temporary. There will be structural high unemployment for years to come. Even Robert Reich said the unemployment stat is bogus - it's way too low. He said this when he was Secretary of Labor under Clinton and obviously was this was not well received.
Buzzkill.
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The talk on the streets is that many of the jobs people are getting are either not well paying or they are temporary. There will be structural high unemployment for years to come. Even Robert Reich said the unemployment stat is bogus - it's way too low. He said this when he was Secretary of Labor under Clinton and obviously was this was not well received.
Well the talk in SanFrancisco from my daughter is that there a lot more ads than when she was looking three months ago. I'm just glad she found a position with (hold your breath) full benefits.
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The U5 or U6 rate gives one a much better picture of what employment conditions are really like. The rate you always see quoted can go down even when more people are actually unemployed as individuals give up and just quit looking for work.
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Actually that would be Marxist
Either, the terms seem to be used interchangeably in RW rhetoric, and both fit your comment.

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Would increasing tax rates really solve anything?
I thought we were worried about the deficit? It would help with that.

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What some people are afraid of is that tax hikes will give a green light to more government spending.
I don't believe this. I don't believe anyone seriously does. MOre specifically, I don't think anyone in good faith opposes a return to the Clinton rates for this reason, and it's a cowardly argument. Push for eliminating government programs that you think are a bad idea or an improper use of taxpayer money, and I might even support you on some of them. But don't pretend -- despite all the evidence to the contrary since 1980 -- that cutting taxes will somehow lead to a reduction in spending or that raising taxes will make no difference in or lead to an increased deficit (again, see the Clinton admin).

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I replied to his post with the offhand phrase from each...to each. which is to me the idea behind wanting to tax the rich (who pay the majority of taxes anyway) instead of cutting the cost of government.
Why defend the strategy of equating mild differences in proposed progressive tax rate with socialism? That was dumb when McCain did it in '08 and it's no better now. I don't think anyone is really convinced by it (oh, no, you're right, it's just like Communist Russia! which is, I think, the intended rhetorical game), so why use rhetoric of that sort or defend it? To pretend like the policy arguments are more dramatic than they are (Dems want to take money from the rich! and give it to lazy people! (lazy meaning those who don't pay that much in taxes, a group that few people think they are in, even when they are according to McCain's own (and various other RW) claims. Oh, so Republicans are against a progressive income tax? Well, maybe in theory, but no one is seriously supporting one, are they? So isn't this whole argument complete nonsense when it is framed in terms like "socialism" which, in their weak definition, end up fitting everyone of note, as I pointed out? I think so, obviously.)

Why not make a real argument for specific cuts and why they should be made and how that makes an increase in taxes unnecessary?

(I think I'd be in favor of increasing the rate on either capital gains or the top income rate above a certain amount or getting rid of/increasing the cap on SocSec taxes entirely apart from the need to raise more money, which I'm less concerned about than some. I think it would be more fair. And I feel this way even though at least some of what I propose would raise my own taxes.)

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You do realize, according to the OECD,
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that the U.S. collects more household tax revenue from the top 10 percent of households than any other country and extracts the most from that income group relative to their share of the nation's income
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Thanks pisc. That is interesting. However nota bene:

"Of course, these measures do not include the litany of other taxes households pay in each country, such as Value Added Taxes, corporate income taxes and excise taxes, but they do give a good indication that our system places a heavier tax burden on high-income households than other industrialized countries."

In Europe there is a VAT on most purchases, including such essentials as utilities, amounting to as much as 19%. If the US had a tax on gas and fuel equal to that of European countries and imposed serious corporate taxes, all your deficit problems would vanish overnight. Just think: the rich could continue to live high on the hog, the military could continue to build useless weapons systems and invade any "rogue" country at will, and there would still probably be enough money left over to provide decent public services for everyone.
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You do realize, according to the OECD,

But lets not let facts interfere with one's talking points.
Let the Bush tax cuts expire and most of our fiscal problems are solved, et voilà! As Florian has already pointed out, you're depending on a narrowly defined definition of "taxes."
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Let the Bush tax cuts expire and most of our fiscal problems are solved, et voilà! As Florian has already pointed out, you're depending on a narrowly defined definition of "taxes."
You can't possibly believe getting rid of tax cuts will solve our fiscal problems.

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But maybe we should add VAT and all kinds of other taxes, because Europe is doing so well.
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But maybe we should add VAT and all kinds of other taxes, because Europe is doing so well.
the advantage of a national sales tax is you can't move your purchases of stuff overseas like you can your investments. States and localities are able to rake in a ton of money thru sales and property taxes. Going forward, I see income taxes being less and less effective because investors are more and more internationally based.

I suggest eliminating the income tax and replace with whatever level of national sales tax is needed to balance the budget.
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You can't possibly believe getting rid of tax cuts will solve our fiscal problems.

silly!


But maybe we should add VAT and all kinds of other taxes, because Europe is doing so well.
I'm posting from my phone so data will have to wait, but all you need to do is look at federal revenue against time over the last decade and a half understand. I'm all for VATs so long they have some progressivity built into them.
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Old 04-02-2011, 01:22 PM
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I'm posting from my phone so data will have to wait, but all you need to do is look at federal revenue against time over the last decade and a half understand. I'm all for VATs so long they have some progressivity built into them.
Weird. How do you build progressivity into a VAT? Tax Camrys at a lower rate than Lexi?
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Old 04-02-2011, 01:28 PM
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Weird. How do you build progressivity into a VAT? Tax Camrys at a lower rate than Lexi?
Sure, why not? Don't tax staple food items; impose various luxury taxes; generally reduce the tax load at the bottom of the price scale. You could also institute various structural benefits: income tax credits, annual VAT refunds, etc... all targeted toward people at lower income scales.
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Old 04-03-2011, 01:46 PM
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Weird. How do you build progressivity into a VAT? Tax Camrys at a lower rate than Lexi?
Maybe we can create a new agency. The US Dept of Health Care Waivers and Fair Value Added Tax.
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Maybe we can create a new agency. The US Dept of Health Care Waivers and Fair Value Added Tax.
The IRS will do nicely, IMHO. Perhaps you are rabidly anti-tax / bureaucracy, 'cause you aren't doing your taxes right. I use taxcut, but turbotax is OK too.
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I have no idea what you are talking about.

"looking down on us from your golden tax shelter"
"filing schedule A"
"luckier than most"
"better than those in the trenches"
"deny them the right to protect themselves from people like you"

Gotta go now, I have a big meeting with the Koch brothers. Hope your fever breaks soon.
Schedule A is where you get most of your money back, if you played your cards right. Own a house? Kids in college? You get the picture.
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Old 04-03-2011, 05:10 PM
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The IRS will do nicely, IMHO. Perhaps you are rabidly anti-tax / bureaucracy, 'cause you aren't doing your taxes right. I use taxcut, but turbotax is OK too.


Schedule A is where you get most of your money back, if you played your cards right. Own a house? Kids in college? You get the picture.
I know what schedule A is and I bet all those assembled in Wisconsin when we were originally discussing this do too. I was just puzzled about why you brought that into the discussion as though filing out a schedule A denotes some major class distinction.

I've been in the trenches all my life which is probably why I'm so rabidly anti-bureacracy. I know how to work and I use H and R Block (the program, that is...I love it!)

PS. After looking at my HR Block program from last year I see that it was called TaxCut. They've changed it to AtHome. Do you think all these programs are pretty much the same?
The problem with changing is then you can't import last year's data. That's how they get ya! There should be some law to prevent this. Maybe Chuck Shumer or Elizabeth Warren could work on it.
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I know what schedule A is and I bet all those assembled in Wisconsin when we were originally discussing this do too. I was just puzzled about why you brought that into the discussion as though filing out a schedule A denotes some major class distinction.

I've been in the trenches all my life which is probably why I'm so rabidly anti-bureacracy. I know how to work and I use H and R Block.
Yea, used to be Kiplinger tax cut, but got bought by Block. I've been in the trenches too, but not in management, so I know where the real dictators operate, and it ain't the government. I pay around 10% actual federal taxes and I get to live in the greatest place IMO. Yes, as we agreed before, we should balance spending and taxes. But I think it's a pretty good deal.
Why you would feign ignorance to express curiosity confused me, as well as how you could be "in the trenches" and anti-union. But there's a lot of it going around. From my original post:
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I too, have been filing schedule A for a number of years, but I can still remember the first time, and the feeling of having been let into some sort of exclusive country club.
What I will never do, however, is turn my back on those are still trying to get there, or delude myself that I work harder than they do, or pass along misinformation outlining how they don't deserve what they have earned.
If you don't see a class distinction, then you think janitors, teachers, clerical workers and facilities maintenance people for the state of Wisconsin are all over the standard deduction. Me, not so much.
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Yea, used to be Kiplinger tax cut, but got bought by Block. I've been in the trenches too, but not in management, so I know where the real dictators operate, and it ain't the government. I pay around 10% actual federal taxes and I get to live in the greatest place IMO. Yes, as we agreed before, we should balance spending and taxes.
Why you would feign ignorance to express curiosity confused me, as well as how you could be "in the trenches" and anti-union. But there's a lot of it going around. From my original post:


If you don't see a class distinction, then you think janitors, teachers, clerical workers and facilities maintenance people for the state of Wisconsin are all over the standard deduction. Me, not so much.
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I don't think I ever said I was anti-union. I did my apprenticeship with the United Brotherhood of Carpenters. Yes, I did! Unions are great when they don't cause the companies or the states that employ them to go broke.

I'd be willing to bet that janitors own homes in Wisconsin and I know for certain that teachers do. In fact, they make great salaries. Scott Walker's actions were not meant to bust the unions no matter what Ed Shultz and Michael Moore said. They were meant to stop the rising costs of run-away pension obligations... A worthy goal in my estimation.
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