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Old 11-24-2010, 04:03 PM
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Old 11-24-2010, 04:48 PM
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Old 11-24-2010, 07:00 PM
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The anti-foodscience hysteria is what you get when you mix scientific illiteracy with a burgeoning countercultural fad. Fortunately fads are cyclic, and in this case mostly on the margins. That is, many people talk the talk when it comes to natural foods (often with the word "chemical" in the pejorative) while few actually walk the walk. Judging by the way people spend their money, nearly everybody loves food science as much as Katherine does, Jamie Oliver notwithstanding. Relatedly, with naturopathic fads, it seemed to peak with a mainstream cynicism of the medical establishment but with very little behavioral changes in what medicine people were willing to accept. The flu shot line still stretched around the block, despite anti-vaxers, and the same is true with the line up at McDonalds.

The myth of the non-decaying Big Mac.

Organic and so-called "natural" foods will become mainstream to the point where its no longer cool. This is approximately what happened with bottled water, and for similar reasons. Tap water was perceived as tampered with, fluoridated and scientifically monitored. The tide only began to turn when bottled water became a staple and thus an obvious fixture of the mass produced corporatocracy.

In Europe, where organics originated, this is already happening. GMO fear is still high in Europe and while many countries banned GMO crops from being cultivated, it seems to have plateaued. After significant delay Britain has successfully completed GMO trials and their future food policy is going to be anything but organic. And the EU and European commission continue to approve new crops. Furthermore, the naturopathic fad that accompanied organics in Europe is falling out of fashion fast. Homeopathy, for instance, has become something to satirize. Pseudo nutritional advice will increasingly become scrutinize and a subject of derision too. This is what my money is on and I give it at least a decade to fully turn around in western Europe, and probably a generation in the US because there the fad is still peaking.
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Old 11-24-2010, 08:43 PM
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... probably a generation in the US because there the fad is still peaking.
A generation? That's some fad! What about the "Useful Idiots for Monsanto" fad? How long will that one last?
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Old 11-24-2010, 08:55 PM
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Organic and so-called "natural" foods will become mainstream to the point where its no longer cool. This is approximately what happened with bottled water, and for similar reasons. Tap water was perceived as tampered with, fluoridated and scientifically monitored. The tide only began to turn when bottled water became a staple and thus an obvious fixture of the mass produced corporatocracy.
The fad of bottled water was accompanied by the myth that one had to consume 8 glasses of water a day and that if you felt thirsty you were already dangerously dehydrated. I had friends who wouldn't leave the house without their water. It was like they were going to be hiking in the Grand Canyon instead of driving to the mall.

Municipal water gets tested far more rigorously that bottled water. And then there are all those plastic bottles to deal with. What ever happened to common sense?
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Old 11-24-2010, 07:12 PM
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I would never even consider drinking a can of Four Loko. Not because I fear either caffeine or alcohol (or think it's a problem to combine them), but rather because it's a 600-calorie drink which I'm told tastes really awful. I prefer beer and coffee.

But I still consider it an outrage than busybody nannies who think along the same lines as Mr. Kummer have chosen to ban it. How about we just let adults make their own decisions about what's best for their own lives, including what they do for recreation?
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Old 11-24-2010, 08:57 PM
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But I still consider it an outrage than busybody nannies who think along the same lines as Mr. Kummer have chosen to ban it. How about we just let adults make their own decisions about what's best for their own lives, including what they do for recreation?
Unthinkable! The peeps just don't know what's good for them.
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Old 11-29-2010, 03:29 PM
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I would never even consider drinking a can of Four Loko. Not because I fear either caffeine or alcohol (or think it's a problem to combine them), but rather because it's a 600-calorie drink which I'm told tastes really awful. I prefer beer and coffee.

But I still consider it an outrage than busybody nannies who think along the same lines as Mr. Kummer have chosen to ban it. How about we just let adults make their own decisions about what's best for their own lives, including what they do for recreation?
I think that the logic for banning Four Loko is basically the same as the logic for banning many drugs.

Now, I realize that many or most libertarians are against banning drugs, and that's consistent of them, but most people are not so hard and fast on the issue. Moreover, I don't agree with the libertarian basis for being anti bans on drugs. I am open to decriminalization arguments (and think marijuana should be at least decriminalized and quite possibly legalized), but not because there's anything inherently wrong with the general project of banning some drugs.

In that it seems that most people agree with me on that, the question becomes whether Four Loko is somehow different because we don't think it's wise to ban in full the underlying ingredients. I don't think so -- limits on the sale of alcohol (i.e., you can't sell something as beer if it's above a certain percentage alcohol, you can't advertise in certain ways) are normal already.

On Four Loko itself I have no opinion yet. I hadn't paid attention to its existence before this diavlog.
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Old 11-24-2010, 07:54 PM
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Old 11-24-2010, 08:26 PM
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Mangu-Ward's gushing over food science is callow. Does she know that people in poor neighborhoods have no access to fresh produce but only to processed crap? And that, as a result, they die years earlier than the well-fed folks at Reason Mag? Obesity, diabetes, heart ailments, the list goes on.

But isn't it cute we can keep cranberry jello for 5 years?

And what about antibiotics in poultry and fish, and hormones everywhere? Isn't that great?
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Old 11-24-2010, 08:59 PM
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Mangu-Ward's gushing over food science is callow. Does she know that people in poor neighborhoods have no access to fresh produce but only to processed crap? And that, as a result, they die years earlier than the well-fed folks at Reason Mag? Obesity, diabetes, heart ailments, the list goes on.
I have worked on the road for over ten years now. Sometimes this work leads me to visit very rundown areas. Because I like fresh fruit for lunch and veggies with my dinner I have visited markets in poor neighborhoods (both rural and urban) in TX, IL, MN, MO, FL, OR, CO, CA.......all over the country, even in the Caribbean. I have yet to visit one that did not have fresh produce. If they are doing something that disguises 'processed crap' as fresh fruit and veggies they are doing it very well. The selection may not be as great as at a Nugget or a Gelson's but there's still plenty to choose from if someone seriously wants to eat healthy. Also - I'm a huge white corn fan and the sweetest ears I've found were from rural road stands.
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Old 11-24-2010, 09:03 PM
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I have worked on the road for over ten years now. Sometimes this work leads me to visit very rundown areas. Because I like fresh fruit for lunch and veggies with my dinner I have visited markets in poor neighborhoods (both rural and urban) in TX, IL, MN, MO, FL, OR, CO, CA.......all over the country, even in the Caribbean. I have yet to visit one that did not have fresh produce. If they are doing something that disguises 'processed crap' as fresh fruit and veggies they are doing it very well. The selection may not be as great as at a Nugget or a Gelson's but there's still plenty to choose from if someone seriously wants to eat healthy. Also - I'm a huge white corn fan and the sweetest ears I've found were from rural road stands.
well, you're just wrong.
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Old 11-24-2010, 09:06 PM
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I have worked on the road for over ten years now. Sometimes this work leads me to visit very rundown areas. Because I like fresh fruit for lunch and veggies with my dinner I have visited markets in poor neighborhoods (both rural and urban) in TX, IL, MN, MO, FL, OR, CO, CA.......all over the country, even in the Caribbean. I have yet to visit one that did not have fresh produce. If they are doing something that disguises 'processed crap' as fresh fruit and veggies they are doing it very well. The selection may not be as great as at a Nugget or a Gelson's but there's still plenty to choose from if someone seriously wants to eat healthy. Also - I'm a huge white corn fan and the sweetest ears I've found were from rural road stands.
I have lived in a lower income areas for years now and there are fresh fruits and vegetables at the local markets. The selection may not be great but they are there and are less expensive than at the chic areas. I do notice it appears to be axiomatic that the lower the income scale the fatter the people and in the upper income areas the slimmer they are. The same goes for the amount of television viewing. Why that is I don't know.

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Old 11-24-2010, 09:16 PM
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I have lived in a lower income areas for years now and there are fresh fruits and vegetables at the local markets. The selection may not be great but they are there and are less expensive than at the chic areas. I do notice it appears to be axiomatic that the lower the income scale the fatter the people and in the upper income areas the slimmer they are. The same goes for the amount of television viewing. Why that is I don't know.

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well, the TV watching and being overweight are certainly related. Maybe when life seems bleak and hopeless, food is comforting.
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Old 11-24-2010, 09:40 PM
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I have lived in a lower income areas for years now and there are fresh fruits and vegetables at the local markets.
Good for you. Now go to Camden, NJ, and tell me if you see local markets with fresh fruits and veggies that are accessible without a car. OK?
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Old 11-25-2010, 09:44 AM
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Good for you. Now go to Camden, NJ, and tell me if you see local markets with fresh fruits and veggies that are accessible without a car. OK?
I only speak from my experience of living in Los Angeles, Ca.

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Old 11-29-2010, 02:10 PM
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I only speak from my experience of living in Los Angeles, Ca.

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John, I grew up in Los Angeles and have since lived in Texas, Virginia, and New York, and I have to say - thanks for saying you speak only from experience.

I have missed the wealth of cheap, fantastic grocery stores (often owned and operated by families and serving local immigrant populations) that I grew up with in LA and Orange Counties. Keep in mind that living near where so much of the country's produce is grown put us at an advantage.

Here's a food desert map

I have to say, growing up the child of Mexican and Costa Rican immigrants who cooked from scratch to save money, I didn't develop a taste for most of the weird processed stuff our white Bloggingheads confessed their love for today, and I don't envy them!
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Old 11-29-2010, 02:21 PM
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John, I grew up in Los Angeles and have since lived in Texas, Virginia, and New York, and I have to say - thanks for saying you speak only from experience.

I have missed the wealth of cheap, fantastic grocery stores (often owned and operated by families and serving local immigrant populations) that I grew up with in LA and Orange Counties. Keep in mind that living near where so much of the country's produce is grown put us at an advantage.

Here's a food desert map

I have to say, growing up the child of Mexican and Costa Rican immigrants who cooked from scratch to save money, I didn't develop a taste for most of the weird processed stuff our white Bloggingheads confessed their love for today, and I don't envy them!
Thanks for that link. Very interesting.
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Old 11-29-2010, 03:52 PM
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I have to say, growing up the child of Mexican and Costa Rican immigrants who cooked from scratch to save money, I didn't develop a taste for most of the weird processed stuff our white Bloggingheads confessed their love for today, and I don't envy them!
I think taste is interesting. I grew up with many of the processed items (not all of them -- I have never had this onion ring things, and they sound terribly unappealing), but I was also a picky child, and for whatever reason my general reaction has been to react against most of that style of food. (Despite the fact that with those exceptions, I'm not picky on the whole at all now.) Part of this, also, is that my mother hated to cook, so the extent to which the way she cooked seemed appealing or homey or whatever was limited. I like to cook, but cook very differently (much more in the from whole ingredients, as fresh and local as possible kind of way) and like many people, probably, tend to like my own cooking.
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Old 11-25-2010, 10:15 AM
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Good for you. Now go to Camden, NJ, and tell me if you see local markets with fresh fruits and veggies that are accessible without a car. OK?
How's about a bus?

Please don't tell me this is impossible. I grew up in Chicago and didn't learn to drive until I was 21. I rode the train or bus to work every day and took my little shopping cart with me to the grocery store which was about a mile from my apartment, even in the snow!!! I also wheeled it up three flights of stairs.

People can figure things out if they want to. You have no faith in people's resilience and ingenuity(which I daresay is a hallmark of today's liberal mindset).
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Old 11-25-2010, 11:59 AM
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How's about a bus?

Please don't tell me this is impossible. I grew up in Chicago and didn't learn to drive until I was 21. I rode the train or bus to work every day and took my little shopping cart with me to the grocery store which was about a mile from my apartment, even in the snow!!! I also wheeled it up three flights of stairs.

People can figure things out if they want to. You have no faith in people's resilience and ingenuity(which I daresay is a hallmark of today's liberal mindset).
Where do you think the buses run in and out of Camden, Harry? Have you ever seen Rt 130 in New Jersey? I can recommend several liquor stores, and there's a fine collection of peep shows!
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Where do you think the buses run in and out of Camden, Harry? Have you ever seen Rt 130 in New Jersey? I can recommend several liquor stores, and there's a fine collection of peep shows!
There are peeps shows and liquor stores in every city, Jeff. Lots of cities have hit the skids and lots have come back. These are just the facts of life.
You should have seen the near north side of Chicago where Cabrini- Green was before the yuppies turned it into a paradise with lots of green grocers and no parking spots.

The only things I know about New Jersey are that Chris Christie is the governor and Bruce Springstein came from there. But here's a picture of the courthouse. It looks pretty nice to me. Maybe they should have saved all those govt. dollars and given some urban entrepreneurs tax breaks so they could do some rehab and maybe build some organic grocery stores.

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Old 11-25-2010, 12:33 PM
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There are peeps shows and liquor stores in every city, Jeff. Lots of cities have hit the skids and lots have come back. These are just the facts of life.
You should have seen the near north side of Chicago where Cabrini- Green was before the yuppies turned it into a paradise with lots of green grocers and no parking spots.

The only things I know about New Jersey is that Chris Christie is the governor and Bruce Springstein came from there. But here's a picture of the courthouse. It looks pretty nice to me. Maybe they should have saved all those govt. dollars and given some urban entrepreneurs tax breaks so they could do some rehab and maybe build some organic grocery stores.

Harry, I live there (in a somewhat more pleasant neighborhood across the the river in Philadelphia, actually - we have several grocery stores!). I'm going to drive down US130 today on my way to my sister's for Thanksgiving dinner, I'm quite familiar with the area; and I assure you they don't sell groceries at the courthouse. That was awfully silly of you.
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Old 11-25-2010, 12:46 PM
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Harry, I live there (in a somewhat more pleasant neighborhood across the the river in Philadelphia, actually - we have several grocery stores!). I'm going to drive down US130 today on my way to my sister's for Thanksgiving dinner, I'm quite familiar with the area; and I assure you they don't sell groceries at the courthouse. That was awfully silly of you.
I was actually in the process of adding to my last comment when I saw yours.

First, I didn't think they sold groceries at the courthouse. I think I'm sort of familiar with the way cities are laid out. The reason I linked the picture of the courthouse was to show that Camden isn't a complete hell hole.

Second and most important is what do you propose to solve the problem of people in the slums of Camden not being able to access green groceries?
If I were to concede the point that it is currently impossible for these people to access good food, I would next want to know what the solution is. I think I have stated what some of my glibertarian solutions are, but since you don't see it that way, I'd like to know what you see. There's got to be some better way.

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Old 11-25-2010, 12:53 PM
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I was actually in the process of adding to my last comment when I saw yours.

First, I didn't think they sold groceries at the courthouse. I think I'm sort of familiar with the way cities are laid out. The reason I linked the picture of the courthouse was to show that Camden isn't a complete hell hole.

Second and most important is what do you propose to solve the problem of people in the slums of Camden not being able to access green groceries?
If I were to concede the point that it is impossible for these people to access good food, I would next want to know what the solution is. I think I have stated what my solution is, but since you don't see it that way, I'd like to know what you see. There's got to be some better way.

Happy Thanksgiving! and no stopping at peep shows!
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I have lived in a lower income areas for years now and there are fresh fruits and vegetables at the local markets. The selection may not be great but they are there and are less expensive than at the chic areas. I do notice it appears to be axiomatic that the lower the income scale the fatter the people and in the upper income areas the slimmer they are. The same goes for the amount of television viewing. Why that is I don't know.

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I think lacking the self discipline necessary for acquiring a higher standard of living would certainly manifest itself in dietary habits as well. A lazy ass sitting on the couch watching tv all day is likely also to eat more and not take time to consider what he is eating or think about the results on his health.
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I think lacking the self discipline necessary for acquiring a higher standard of living would certainly manifest itself in dietary habits as well. A lazy ass sitting on the couch watching tv all day is likely also to eat more and not take time to consider what he is eating or think about the results on his health.
poorist! you can add that to the list of stuff you've already been called.

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Old 11-25-2010, 02:38 PM
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I think lacking the self discipline necessary for acquiring a higher standard of living would certainly manifest itself in dietary habits as well. A lazy ass sitting on the couch watching tv all day is likely also to eat more and not take time to consider what he is eating or think about the results on his health.
It must be great to have achieved your level of self-satisfaction and assurance in your superiority over the lower classes.
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It must be great to have achieved your level of self-satisfaction and assurance in your superiority over the lower classes.
I agree that the comment you are refering to may be distasteful and not indicative of understanding the plight of the poor. But isn't this the kind of attitude neccessary to keep going when the wolf is at the door? Some people give up while most of us refuse to accept defeat. Everyone has a lazy ass lurking within, but we know we can't give in to it. Those who grow up in awful families with no one to give a good example are at huge disadvantage, but almost everyone can find it within themselves to strive to be better.

Have you ever seen The Pusuit of Happyness? This movie is the true story of a man who, against all odds, would not accept defeat.
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I agree that the comment you are refering to may be distasteful and not indicative of understanding the plight of the poor. But isn't this the kind of attitude neccessary to keep going when the wolf is at the door? Some people give up while most of us refuse to accept defeat. Everyone has a lazy ass lurking within, but we know we can't give in to it. Those who grow up in awful families with no one to give a good example are at huge disadvantage, but almost everyone can find it within themselves to strive to be better.

Have you ever seen The Pusuit of Happyness? This movie is the true story of a man who, against all odds, would not accept defeat.
If we were all clones of a heroic figure, we might all become heroes. But we all have differing capabilities. I see it as absurd to attribute poverty to a lack of initiative. We can always say to one another 'why aren't you doing better? You lack initiative'. Some have the capability to lift themselves from poverty. Others don't. If they did, they would. Seems plain to me.

We never exceed our capabilities. We can only expand them, if we are capable of doing that, and in my opinion, in my observation, neither do we perform to less than our capabilities. Do do so is clearly not in our best interest. If an individual does the wrong thing, it is because they didn't understand how to do the right thing. It is beyond their capabilities, at that point in their life. To intimate that this equates to a character flaw like laziness simply shows that one is not an attentive student of human nature, in my opinion.
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... But we all have differing capabilities. I see it as absurd to attribute poverty to a lack of initiative. We can always say to one another 'why aren't you doing better? You lack initiative'. Some have the capability to lift themselves from poverty. Others don't. If they did, they would. Seems plain to me...

If an individual does the wrong thing, it is because they didn't understand how to do the right thing. It is beyond their capabilities, at that point in their life. To intimate that this equates to a character flaw like laziness simply shows that one is not an attentive student of human nature, in my opinion.
So would you say that we need to get used to a certain percentage of indigent people in society and that we should just try to make them as comfortable as possible?

And also, since you think that people who do wrong just aren't understanding how to do the right thing, how would you handle punishment for doing wrong?
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So would you say that we need to get used to a certain percentage of indigent people in society and that we should just try to make them as comfortable as possible?
I think we as a society should do more to help people expand their capabilities.

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I think we as a society should do more to help people expand their capabilities.
I agree but it takes the passion of the individual, also. This goes back to my point about the motivation to want success. If one can survive by doing the minimum, why should one go beyond that? It takes personal motivation.

As far as neuro science and punishment, I agree that this is a very tangled web that we aren't likely to tease apart any time soon. If we believe in any type of biological determinism and that our the ways our brains operate may be beyond our control, we must consider that we may not be at fault for anything we do. But this will mean we have to go back and change thousands of years of belief. Also, one must consider that the way we solve the punishment problem has evolved with civilization has reasons behind it. It's a dilemma.
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If we were all clones of a heroic figure, we might all become heroes. But we all have differing capabilities. I see it as absurd to attribute poverty to a lack of initiative. We can always say to one another 'why aren't you doing better? You lack initiative'. Some have the capability to lift themselves from poverty. Others don't. If they did, they would. Seems plain to me.
Ken,

Your inability to understand Libertarians surprises me. Don't you understand that according to Ayn Rand and BatHatHarry everyone is only poor due to lack of courage and laziness?

If only the old, the sick, the crippled, the single mom's with Kids, and the mentally challenged would just quit mopping around, read Ayn Rand, and show a little guts and energy they'd be rich too!!

You see the only difference between Paris Hilton (or any trust fund baby) and a poor mom with two kids in Camden NJ is smarts, hard work and courage - I mean who works harder Bill Gates Junior or some kid at McDonald's?.

And Ken, the last thing we need is people dragging down the "producers" like the executives at Goldman Sachs or "Badhatharry" or George Sorros. We don't want Goldman Sachs to "go Galt", just to feed some 'loser' single mom with two kids in Camden NJ.

That's the free market.
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Ken,

Your inability to understand Libertarians surprises me. Don't you understand that according to Ayn Rand and BatHatHarry everyone is only poor due to lack of courage and laziness?

If only the old, the sick, the crippled, the single mom's with Kids, and the mentally challenged would just quit mopping around, read Ayn Rand, and show a little guts and energy they'd be rich too!!

You see the only difference between Paris Hilton (or any trust fund baby) and a poor mom with two kids in Camden NJ is smarts, hard work and courage - I mean who works harder Bill Gates Junior or some kid at McDonald's?.

And Ken, the last thing we need is people dragging down the "producers" like the executives at Goldman Sachs or "Badhatharry" or George Sorros. We don't want Goldman Sachs to "go Galt", just to feed some 'loser' single mom with two kids in Camden NJ.

That's the free market.
Heh.
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Mangu-Ward's gushing over food science is callow. Does she know that people in poor neighborhoods have no access to fresh produce but only to processed crap? And that, as a result, they die years earlier than the well-fed folks at Reason Mag? Obesity, diabetes, heart ailments, the list goes on.

But isn't it cute we can keep cranberry jello for 5 years?

And what about antibiotics in poultry and fish, and hormones everywhere? Isn't that great?
really? no access? Do these poor neighborhoods have tall barbed wire fences which prevent access to a grocery store on the outside? I had no idea! and I guess, neither do you.
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really? no access? Do these poor neighborhoods have tall barbed wire fences which prevent access to a grocery store on the outside? I had no idea! and I guess, neither do you.
Smartassery gets you only so far, you know.
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Smartassery gets you only so far, you know.
I just got back to this and saw your response. I also saw the response to harkin's post. You said poor people have no access to fresh fruits and vegetables. If you want to be taken seriously, which it appears you do, you just can't say stuff like this. I know you won't agree with me, but I believe that in the US, the poorest of the poor have access to things the poor in other parts of the world have no concept of. I also believe that the poor in our country have the opportunity to eat well (healthily) if that's what they choose to do.

I mean if there are things to criticize, it would be helpful for me if you were a little more narrow in pointing to those things. You really are an interesting commenter and I'd like to get a better grasp of what you're about. It's easy to dismiss you when you make such broad characterizations.

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really? no access? Do these poor neighborhoods have tall barbed wire fences which prevent access to a grocery store on the outside? I had no idea! and I guess, neither do you.
Yeah, access. Most people in those neighborhoods have no car, and very little disposable income. That works even better than fences, in the long run.
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Mangu-Ward's gushing over food science is callow. Does she know that people in poor neighborhoods have no access to fresh produce but only to processed crap? And that, as a result, they die years earlier than the well-fed folks at Reason Mag? Obesity, diabetes, heart ailments, the list goes on.

But isn't it cute we can keep cranberry jello for 5 years?

And what about antibiotics in poultry and fish, and hormones everywhere? Isn't that great?
They do have access to fresh foods. Your repeating a liberal misconception.

We had plenty of vegetables growing up. Many where fried and/or mixed with fat to make them taste better.

In the end think what want about the merits cranberry sauce. Reason and others simply object to the government telling folks what they can or can't consume.
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