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Old 12-07-2011, 05:52 PM
Sulla the Dictator Sulla the Dictator is offline
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Default Re: Newtmentum! (David Weigel & Chris Moody)

Originally Posted by stephanie View Post
On the broader question, you are making a valid distinction, IMO, between theological beliefs and claims about public policy (polygamy should be legal). However, to the extent you are explaining it based on the idea that transubstantiation is not actually supposed to involve the consumption of the Body and Blood of Jesus, you are wrong. The Catholic belief, of course, is that it's literally the Body and Blood, the Real Presence.
Of course. That is the belief. It isn't real though. That is my point.

It seems odd to defend the Catholic belief as unobjectionable based on your view that the Catholics are wrong in their belief.
I find the Catholic church appealing as a cultural institution. If the beliefs of Catholics are necessary to continue producing the outcomes I prefer, then I will defend their beliefs.

The Catholic understanding of "symbolic" in this context does not mean that there's no real change to Body and Blood, that it's just metaphoric or imaginary, as you seem to be suggesting.
It is imaginary to me. Even congregants these days accept that transubstantiation is a spiritual matter, not a practical, real thing which would allow an allusion to cannibalism. I doubt anyone actually ever felt otherwise. That used to be pagan slander.
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