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Old 07-26-2010, 10:30 AM
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Default Re: It's Hot (Tim Fernholz & Conn Carroll)

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Originally Posted by Rathertired View Post
Um, no.

Actually elite colleges strive for, among other things, "geographic diversity."

This means the white Protestant from West Virginia or North Dakota will get in before the Asian or Jew from New York or California with similar grades and test scores. This is a fact.

The proclaimed desire to have a "well rounded student body" is another way these schools have of keeping the number of students with last names like Kim or Cohen down to acceptable numbers.

In the first two-thirds of the 20th century America's elite colleges would've been majority Jewish if they hadn't played games (including, but not limited to, literal quotas) to make acceptance considerably easier for prepschool-educated upper-class WASPs (and their poorer white Christian brethren from all across America) than the working-class Jews out of public schools they couldn't compete with.

In the 1980s the squeeze was put on high achieving Asians, a large percentage of whom came from poor immigrant backgrounds.

That James Webb seems to imply that Asians ("recent immigrants") have somehow benefited from "programs" that were denied to white Protestants is simply pathetic. It's also delusional. That BornAgainDemocrat approvingly links to the article is sad, if perhaps typical.
I agree with most of this, though having only taken a cursory read over Webb's WSJ piece, I think that his broader point was about the myth of 'white privilege', and I think the stats about the highly disparate educational attainment (and, one can reason from that, earnings) of various sub-groups shows that.

So far as I understood it, most AA programs were specifically for non-Asian, non-Jewish minorities.

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1) Korean-Americans remain underrepresented in the NBA, the NFL, the NHL and Major Leauge Baseball. Yet, oddly enough, they don't whine about what must be clear cut discrimination.
It's interesting that you use this case against Webb because this can be used against the arguments for affirmative action, in general, in colleges. Those groups who are underrepresented have predominant cultures that do not place a significant emphasis on educational attainment. No reason for the government to try to fix that.

The Ricci v. DeStefano case revealed how stupid and downright insulting affirmative action laws can be.

Perhaps a topic for future commentary from Senator Webb, Ross Douthatt, Pat Buchanan and the gang?

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It's a bit more complicated with college, of course -- what, with the Kaplan Review scam and the exorbitant cost of tuition making college obscenely expensive -- but the fact remains that a lower-middle-class white kid from a remote small town will be given the edge over yet another poor immigrant Chinese kid from Queens, NY with perfect math scores and parents who barely speak English.
But an upper-class African American will be given preference over that poor white rural kid.
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