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Old 09-01-2010, 07:42 PM
soral soral is offline
 
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Default Re: Poetaster Edition (Hussein Ibish & Eli Lake)

I take issue with the following:

4) The entire enterprise of a "Jewish state," no matter how secular it claims to be, is suspect (as are Muslim states). If you're so secular, why call yourself Jewish?

I disagree. You are probably aware that Jewish identity is split between heredity, culture and religion, as is the Greek or Brazilian identity, etc. Jews are not simply adherents of a religious tradition; just ask most Jews. To say that the enterprise of a Jewish state is suspect is just as debased as saying that the enterprise of a Greek state is suspect. But, you might speak up and say, Greeks in Greece are not as religiously fervent as a proportion of their population as Israeli Jews are! And you would be absolutely right, but the fact is that Greeks certainly have been in the past and that if there were a resurgence of religiosity in the Greek state as there has been in Israel, this would in no way obviate the right and the need of the existence of a Greek state, as you claim the right of the Jewish state is obviated by its religiosity.

The conflation of culture, history and faith is something many Christians and (to a lesser extent) Muslims have a hard time conceptualizing, because to be a Christian or a Muslim in the conventional sense requires faith, whereas to be a Jew does not. This confusion should not, however, lead anyone to claim, as you have, that the Jewish nation's right to a state is somehow "suspect".

There is no specific Christian or Muslim ethnicity (though some proud Arabs may disagree), but there is a Jewish one and it deserves self-determination.
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