Originally Posted by Francoamerican
Trade unions are voluntary in every sense that counts: no one is forced to join one. In any case, calling them collectivist is an abuse of language. Whether they are useful or not is another question. An amusing detail: union membership is higher in the US than in France.
I suppose it depends on the definition of collectivist.Now that I look up the definition, I see that you are correct. I thought that it refered to collections of people acting in concert to achieve power as well as the definition you refer to. So I need a new word.
I am actually quite fond of trade unions, having gone through a four year apprenticeship with one. However, I don't think they are actually voluntary in every sense that counts. They restrict employment. They have to. That's how they get their power.
I think the teacher's unions are a good example of a good idea gone arwy. Public employees' unions right now have a stranglehold on the state government in California. Their pension plans are a huge part of our deficit and unfortunately they can't be restructured. In a private company, for example United Airlines, bankrupcy allowed the terms of pensions to be altered.