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Old 07-17-2008, 12:59 PM
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Old 07-17-2008, 01:23 PM
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Where the F is Mickey??
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Old 07-17-2008, 01:36 PM
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Where the F is Mickey??
No doubt, looking for Obama's vertebra of the week.
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Old 07-17-2008, 07:46 PM
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La migra se lo llevó*


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Old 07-17-2008, 07:50 PM
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La migra se lo llevó*


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What were the charges?
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Old 07-17-2008, 08:05 PM
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What were the charges?
Cussin' and makin' a ruckus.

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Old 07-17-2008, 08:21 PM
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Excellent.
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Old 07-17-2008, 01:42 PM
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You know, the fact that the surge has worked so well in Iraq might suggest to the public that we have a similar surge in Afghanistan. In people's minds we've come up with the winning tactic for dealing with low-intensity wars in Islamic countries, namely the Petraeus plan. So it looks like this new problem in Afghanistan benefits John McCain, who supported the Petraeus plan from the beginning.
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Old 07-17-2008, 02:16 PM
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While some of the lessons learned, on COIN tactics in Iraq, are probably directly transferable to Afghanistan they are radically different places and new specific tactics will need to be developed.

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Old 07-17-2008, 01:58 PM
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Walk tall Heather!! David Letterman and Lauren Hutton would be proud.



Bob,

I'm ahead of ya man, I posted at Althouse to comment on the 'Gang Of Seven'. They did not treat me as a liberator though, they seemed to have a much greater sense of freedom than you give them credit for. I saw no indication that Ann prohibited cell phones, kite flying or freedom of speech.


And I totally agree that 'benign' is apt. 'The sun shining benignly on the plants' completely captures not only BJK but almost everyone in the Gang who seem to receive philisophical nourishment (psychosynthesis, if you will) from each other here. The warm glow of shared beliefs is hard to beat as a medium for growing comments.
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Old 07-17-2008, 02:18 PM
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The warm glow of shared beliefs is hard to beat as a medium for growing comments.
And a sure path to remaining in ignorance!
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Old 07-17-2008, 02:19 PM
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Did Heather still leave the option on the table here?

OK, Bush, one more John Yoo and it's "curtains"

I think Heather has a greater appreciation for Republican concerns about the ICC, but Bob's rhetoric and Heather's response doesn't seem to really shut the door.

Conservatives are often extremely sensitive about the language of equivalence, and the way it can come back to bite us in international circles. But there's an implied "or else" at the end of what Heather is saying here.

On an off topic, this is another good example of an extremely enjoyable Left/Left edition of bloggingheads. I found it interesting and fruitful. But are there many examples of Right/Right episodes? I suppose the Free Will series counts.

Just curious.
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Old 07-17-2008, 02:30 PM
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I haven't listened to this one yet, but since I'm always saying that Bob needs to talk to someone more interesting than Mickey, and that I've said how great I think Heather is, decency requires me to say thanks for this episode.

So, thanks Bob!
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Old 07-17-2008, 03:34 PM
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So, thanks Bob!
Not only does Bob offer to send the peace brigade into Althousestan to liberate the commenters over there from tyranny, but in a Nobel Peace Prize worthy stroke of diplomatic genius he also responds to his progressive base by making Mickey a virtual desaparecido and by bringing in yet another brilliant woman commentator after we protested for several days about lack of gender parity.

¡Bravo!
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Old 07-17-2008, 04:12 PM
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Mickey Kaus = Emmanuel Goldstein

With no shade of metaphor excepted.
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Old 07-17-2008, 03:20 PM
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The formulation, "there should be a two state solution, but" could also be interpreted as a preamble to a call to avoid an overly insular 'solution' which would be the way Ms. Hurlburt's analysis could still make sense.
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Old 07-17-2008, 04:20 PM
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Where is Mickey?!? We need him to bring the conversation back down to earth.
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Old 07-17-2008, 04:34 PM
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Now, I have been following presidential elections fairly closely since 1980. My question is has any contender flip-flopped as much as Senator Obama? I am not a supporter of either candidate so I am not putting him down for it but am curious if this is the norm. Personally, I can't remember anyone doing it as much; however, I could be wrong.

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Old 07-17-2008, 05:17 PM
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Now, I have been following presidential elections fairly closely since 1980. My question is has any contender flip-flopped as much as Senator Obama? I am not a supporter of either candidate so I am not putting him down for it but am curious if this is the norm. Personally, I can't remember anyone doing it as much; however, I could be wrong.

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Just bush
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Sorry, the Mcgeezer one has Gaffes included, Ok, I'm not sorry.... sorry.

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Old 07-17-2008, 05:21 PM
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Handle, yuo beat me to it!

Here's a slightly easier-to-read version of the "straight-talk express":

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com...ves/15924.html
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Old 07-17-2008, 05:25 PM
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Handle, yuo beat me to it!

Here's a slightly easier-to-read version of the "straight-talk express":

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com...ves/15924.html
That's why my links aren't as good as yours, thanks for the new and improved ones.
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Old 07-17-2008, 05:52 PM
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How do you make the link say "McCain" (or whatever) rather than the URL address??
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Old 07-17-2008, 06:01 PM
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How do you make the link say "McCain" (or whatever) rather than the URL address??
It's pretty easy if you are just using the little "insert link" button because after you paste the URL, the code goes in your post with the link title already highlighted and if you just start typing, the text for your link goes right where it should be between the left bracket (])and the [/URL] as in: (link) ]here[/URL] where "here" would then be the text containing the link.
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Old 07-17-2008, 06:09 PM
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One variation is to highlight the text you want to linkify first, then click the hyperlink button in the toolbar. And if you've already got the URL "on the clipboard," it's just a matter of CTRL-v to fill in the pop-up window.
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Old 07-17-2008, 06:13 PM
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One variation is to highlight the text you want to linkify first, then click the hyperlink button in the toolbar. And if you've already got the URL "on the clipboard," it's just a matter of CTRL-v to fill in the pop-up window.
Nice, oh and thanks, that was the word I was searching for... "linkify"!
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Old 07-17-2008, 06:15 PM
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Nice, oh and thanks, that was the word I was searching for... "linkify"!
Neologisms rule! (When appropriate.)
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Old 07-17-2008, 06:19 PM
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Nice, oh and thanks, that was the word I was searching for... "linkify"!
Brendan is a linkificationist of long standing. ;-)
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Old 07-17-2008, 08:01 PM
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This whole election Bob's been in the defensive crouch, always worried about Obama not walking on eggshells, as if Obama wouldn't be attacked if only he said just the magic words to escape the Republicans. You know what? They're going to attack no matter what. They'll just make up shit. So you might well go out and advance your case and not worry about bullshit artists.

So it was nice to see Heather settle Bob down here:

http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/128...38&out=00:7:27

And then there's Bob again saying Obama should say something Obama's actually already said:

http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/128...9&out=00:37:12

Come on Bob, stop parroting right wing talking points! Don't be a villager!

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Old 07-17-2008, 08:17 PM
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Come on Bob, stop parroting right wing talking points! Don't be a villager!
In fairness, Bob managed to call Obama a flip-flopper fewer than ten times. This week.
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Old 07-17-2008, 10:28 PM
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In fairness, Bob managed to call Obama a flip-flopper fewer than ten times. This week.
It seems that Bob is most upset about this divided or is it undivided (?) Jeruselem statement by Obama (shows how much I know).

I noticed on the Net that Nat Hentoff is very upset with Obama's endorsement of faith based government initiatives. Being a big first amendment type Hentoff thinks that Obama committed an unpardonable sin with that one. Not being a scholar or lawyer I don't know what that's all about. His criticism of Obama flip-flopping makes Wright's look pale in comparison.

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Old 07-17-2008, 10:36 PM
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... Nat Hentoff is very upset ...
Noted. Don't know anything about Hentoff, so I don't have any reaction.
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Old 07-17-2008, 10:43 PM
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It seems that Bob is most upset about this divided or is it undivided (?) Jeruselem statement by Obama (shows how much I know).

I noticed on the Net that Nat Hentoff is very upset with Obama's endorsement of faith based government initiatives. Being a big first amendment type Hentoff thinks that Obama committed an unpardonable sin with that one. Not being a scholar or lawyer I don't know what that's all about. His criticism of Obama flip-flopping makes Wright's look pale in comparison.

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Hentoff is an irascible SOB with a completely sui generis outlook. I love the guy, but, outside the East Village, I'm not sure how much influence he has politically.
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Old 07-17-2008, 11:23 PM
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Hentoff is an irascible SOB with a completely sui generis outlook. I love the guy, but, outside the East Village, I'm not sure how much influence he has politically.
I think he's very sharp on first amendment issues and is a noted jazz critic, too. He wrote for the "Village Voice" for eons. I once saw him interviewing Louis Farrakan which was a real sight to behold. Hentoff, a prolific writer, is also an athiest and Farrakhan is well, Farrakhan. Not much was gleaned from that conversation.

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Old 07-17-2008, 11:27 PM
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Not much was gleaned from that conversation.
Heh. I would love to have seen that.
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Old 07-17-2008, 11:04 PM
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In fairness, Bob managed to call Obama a flip-flopper fewer than ten times. This week.
Heheh. It's funny because it's true.
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Old 07-18-2008, 12:27 AM
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This whole election Bob's been in the defensive crouch, always worried about Obama not walking on eggshells, as if Obama wouldn't be attacked if only he said just the magic words to escape the Republicans. You know what? They're going to attack no matter what. They'll just make up shit. So you might well go out and advance your case and not worry about bullshit artists.

So it was nice to see Heather settle Bob down here:

http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/128...38&out=00:7:27

And then there's Bob again saying Obama should say something Obama's actually already said:

http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/128...9&out=00:37:12

Come on Bob, stop parroting right wing talking points! Don't be a villager!
This was my complaint about the previous diavlog. Bob could be excused due to the pressure exerted by authorship and day job preoccupations - to say nothing of Fraiser's surgery. But the real problem of course as always is Mickey. Who would never counter any negativity about Obama that Bob misrepresents. Mickey is unable to be fair or thorough and well informed enough to be objective. Heather while simpatico politically, is still a journalist or wonk who accepts criticism and accountability.
Bye the way, Bob copped to being wrong about Parsley (credit to him for the mention). But, if you review the tape, Mickey was well aware of Bob's mistake but didn't pursue it because Bob steered the conversation away from Obama bashing and toward McCain.

http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/126...1&out=00:51:04

I join the chorus in singing a la We are the World in the hope of serenading Heather into regular gig status.

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Old 07-17-2008, 06:17 PM
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How do you make the link say "McCain" (or whatever) rather than the URL address??
Just use your mouse to select the text you want to turn into a link, and then click on the little "Insert Link" icon on the little toolbar above the text area. It's the blue one.

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Old 07-17-2008, 05:39 PM
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Now, I have been following presidential elections fairly closely since 1980. My question is has any contender flip-flopped as much as Senator Obama?
Sure. We don't even need to go back in time. What about John McCain? Sixty-one major items and counting.
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Old 07-17-2008, 05:55 PM
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Oh my, 61, that makes 2 flip-floppers. No wonder people are cynical about politics. Well, Obama like Dan Dresner said has it pretty much in the bag so who cares? Once he's in office we'll see where he stands on the death penalty, second amendment, campaign financing, Iraq, FISA, education (you know his kids aren't going to attend the DC public schools), what church he will now attend (by the way, the church alone had at least 2 flip-flops). Also, no matter who wins where are they going to get all the money to finance their promised programs? I would think the "Freddie/Fannie" bailout alone would bankrupt the country for generations.

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Old 07-17-2008, 06:11 PM
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Oh my, 61, that makes 2 flip-floppers. No wonder people are cynical about politics. Well, Obama like Dan Dresner said has it pretty much in the bag so who cares? Once he's in office we'll see where he stands on the death penalty, second amendment, campaign financing, Iraq, FISA, education (you know his kids aren't going to attend the DC public schools), what church he will now attend (by the way, the church alone had at least 2 flip-flops). Also, no matter who wins where are they going to get all the money to finance their promised programs? I would think the "Freddie/Fannie" bailout alone would bankrupt the country for generations.

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I wouldn't want my kid going to a public school with President's kid, way to much of a circus, and I don't approve of spending extra on security, when it's probably cheaper to home school or find a nice private setting.

Picking a church and changing ones' mind hardly qualifies as a flop in the political sense IMHO.

If the SNL bailout during the last Republican reign didn't bankrupt us, I doubt this one will. Clinton reversed a huge deficit buildup, that he inherited, one that many thought could never be halted, let alone turned into a surplus, but the result is history.
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