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Old 03-02-2009, 09:04 AM
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Old 03-02-2009, 09:47 AM
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Almost done with the DC discussion.

Eve, don't use Chicago language to describe life in DC! you don't have an alderman. You have a council member.

The issue is so political? Yeah, ok. I've been living here 20 years, and ok, yes, it's Democratic. However, lots and lots of people here are registered w/ the Democratic Party and not the other party because that's the machinery here. Many of these Democrats are extremely conservative, and would likely be in another party anywhere else. DC ain't Berkeley, not by a long shot. And, who is to say what will happen? It is indeed possible that this could become a half Dem/half other party in the future, right? I can easily see that happening.

Eternal deadlock - ABSOLUTELY, Eve.

I am glad to hear Ann say it's unfair that DC doesn't have a vote. She left that out in her own blog posting on the subject, firing up her readers into an anti-DC frenzy. And I agree, there should be a constitutional amendment, but I sure as hell don't wanna go with Maryland.
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Moving on...

Race helps Democrats but hurts Republicans. Yes. And let's also be clear: Gender helps Republicans but hurts Democrats.

And yet, if you heard Rush's speech (at the Hilton?) this weekend, he referred derisively to an "anchorette" and the audience jeered. So there's sexism on both the left and the right, it's a long tradition in this country, I think.

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Old 03-02-2009, 09:59 AM
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"Ann defends Bobby Jindal"--oh Jesus.

Why am I about to do this to myself?
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Old 03-02-2009, 10:04 AM
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Maybe you're snowed in?
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Old 03-02-2009, 10:32 AM
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This is what Ann Althouse writes about those who criticize Jindal in her blog.

"Why are all these people so confident that they are not manifesting racism?"

Are people supposed to defend themselves though the prosecution has not shown any evidence that they have committed a crime?

Why make sense when we can make controversy, eh?

As the anti-drug TV spots say:

This is a law school professor's brain.

This is a law school professor's brain after listening to Rush (and admiring his tactics after a few years).
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Old 03-02-2009, 10:53 AM
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This is what Ann Althouse writes about those who criticize Jindal in her blog.

"Why are all these people so confident that they are not manifesting racism?"
1) because they don't approach life as an exercise in eristics.

2) because the speech is even worse if you close your eyes.

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Old 03-02-2009, 11:26 AM
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Default Fact-checking Eve

This is demonstrably not true. For example:

TPM, February 19, 2009:

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The new AP/GfK poll shows that the public is optimistic that the stimulus plan will work, and they approve the performance of Democrats on the economy -- and disapprove of the Republicans.

The poll was conducted from February 12-17, during the final days of the compromise process for the stimulus bill. So we now have a look at public opinion during the period when it became clear that the bill was going to pass:

• 52% of Americans approve of the stimulus bill, with 41% disapproving. And the public is confident by a 54%-45% margin that the plan will result in significant improvement.
CNN, February 20, 2009:

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The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey, released Friday, also suggests that six in 10 support the economic stimulus package that Obama signed into law Tuesday.
WaPo, February 24, 2009:

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Large majorities of Americans in a new Washington Post-ABC News poll support his $787 billion economic stimulus package and the recently unveiled $75 billion plan to stem mortgage foreclosures. Nearly seven in 10 poll respondents said Obama is delivering on his pledge to bring needed change to Washington, and about eight in 10 said he is meeting or exceeding their expectations.
Gallup, February 25, 2009:

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Also, more Americans say the economic stimulus package supported by Obama contains either the right amount of government spending or too little spending, rather than too much: 54% to 41%.
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Old 03-02-2009, 11:39 AM
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Are people supposed to defend themselves though the prosecution has not shown any evidence that they have committed a crime?
Exactly. Well said.

The absurd racism charge is an Ann Althouse smoke bomb, thrown into the middle of a conversation to get everyone off track. Anyone who engages this argument is taking the bait and helping Ann keep the focus of the conversation where she wants it.

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Old 03-02-2009, 11:53 AM
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It's like looking at someone with one eye larger than the other. It's just not natural. Equalize the head sizes please.

While I didn't listen to it, the stimulus bill might have support in the polls, but that only reflects what people know about the bill. If they knew everything in it - and were aware of its long-term effects - they would probably have a different opinion.

P.S. Here's more on Eve Fairbanks.

P.P.S. From Althouse's site, here's even more. From DailyKos: link. From HotAir: link.

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Old 03-02-2009, 12:27 PM
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Default Fact-checking Ann

This is highly misleading. It was not just "the other side" that tried to "crush" disliked Jindal while all Republicans not named David Brooks just "allowed that to happen." Lots of people on the right did not like Jindal's performance at all. For example:

Allahpundit on Hot Air called it a "horrible speech." American Power headlined, "Jindal Torpedoes Presidential Aspirations."

LA Times reports:

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"You can't go on TV and counter Obama with that," said radio host Laura Ingraham.

Philip Klein of the American Spectator said Jindal seemed more like a high school student delivering his valedictory speech than a prospective new GOP leader.
Ace of Spades (last year's CPAC Blogger of the Year):

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Jindal's Response...

Awful. He walked out like an earnest dork and has a weird inflection, trying to sound upbeat and sunny when it's clearly not his natural metier. It sounds false, and he looks false.

I don't care how much of a star Jindal is, America doesn't elect somewhat-off dorks as president.
Allahpundit/HotAir again, in a later post:

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“Awful” is Ace’s word but I’m in no mood to disagree. And neither are most HA commenters, judging from this mammoth thread.
Ramesh Ponnuru:

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I thought his delivery was weak. The content will play well with the party base but seems unlikely to expand it.
K-Lo:

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E-mails I'm getting are from disappointed conservatives.
Byron York:

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I just got off the phone with a very plugged-in Republican strategist who told me that Republican reaction to President Obama's speech, which the party will roll out in the next few days, will mark the beginning of a new GOP approach to opposing the president's initiatives. (No, Bobby Jindal's ineffective response was not part of that new approach -- everyone seems a little embarrassed about that.)
Charles Johnson/LGF gathers up some more reax:

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Krauthammer: ”Jindal didn’t have a chance.“

Juan Williams: ”It just came off as amateurish. Even the tempo in which he spoke seemed like sing-song, and he was telling stories that seemed very simplistic and almost childish.“

Brit Hume: ”This was not Bobby Jindal’s greatest oratorical moment.”
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As I wrote last night, the most specific point in his speech was the slam against volcano monitoring. And that came across as ignorant to me, and pandering to the anti-science far righties.

Evidence for this opinion: signing that Discovery Institute-inspired atrocity into law, which led to the canceling of a major scientific convention in New Orleans (with possibly more boycotts to come). It’s very telling that in the whole speech he couldn’t come up with anything more specific than a slam at a scientific program. There are much more worthy targets in the stimulus package than a relatively low cost science program with the potential to save a lot of human lives in a major volcanic event.
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Old 03-02-2009, 12:34 PM
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Default The Oxymoron of District Representation

It is a great liberal cause to limit the influence of the powerful.

One manifestation of this is the decision that no state should have the advantage of hosting the nation's capital. Our good friends in Virginia and Maryland generously agreed to cede some territory for the creation of the District of Columbia. (Until Virginia reneged. Sorry about that, Maryland.)

This symbolic separation of the ruling elite from the states always gave me a warm feeling about the legitimacy of our Federal system -- that the District was home to people devoted to the Union as a whole, devoted to the work of government, international diplomacy, and the ideal of respecting the interests of all the people in our American nation -- that the District was a place to be supported and celebrated by Americans from all 50 states -- that the District was not a place for people to execise their own self-interest.

Giving DC residents representation in Congress makes DC a super state, and shatters that idealism. There's nothing anti-democratic about restricting the participation of DC residents at the Federal level. It's all about respecting the integrity of the Federal process in the 50 states.

I am stunned by Eve's claim that DC residents yearning to vote are trapped there against their will. If this is a problem, surely funding can be found to relocate them. I am also shocked that a scholar of Ann's credentials should think it "unfair" that residents of this Federal district should not participate in the election of officials at the Federal level.

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Old 03-02-2009, 12:47 PM
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I am stunned by Eve's claim that DC residents yearning to vote are trapped there against their will. If this is a problem, surely funding can be found to relocate them. I am also shocked that a scholar of Ann's credentials should think it "unfair" that residents of this Federal district should not participate at the Federal level.
Jeeze, Simon. You're being more than just a little disingenuous. DC is far more just another US city than it is a Federal seat. (I've lived most of my life in or near DC and Philadelphia.) The only reason to deny that many people a vote, is because of the (likely accurate) perception that they'd be, largely, liberal. Arguing that that's a bad thing is worse than merely disingenuous.
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Old 03-02-2009, 12:52 PM
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The racism shown by liberals toward Jindal was disgusting. Chris Matthews (famed for his sexist and racist comments) stated " The Republicans had outsourced" their response. This was after contemptuously snorting "Oh, God" when Jindal came out. How many liberals denounced Matthews? Almost none.

Like most liberal men, Matthews can't tolerate independent men of color - or women. To liberals, people of color need to know their place - and stay on the liberal plantation.

Funny how all the liberal sensitivity toward "racism" and "sexism" disappears when conservatives are involved.
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Old 03-02-2009, 12:54 PM
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This is what Ann Althouse writes about those who criticize Jindal in her blog. [...]

"Why are all these people so confident that they are not manifesting racism?"

Are people supposed to defend themselves though the prosecution has not shown any evidence that they have committed a crime?

Why make sense when we can make controversy, eh?
Exactly. It came of as yet another one in an endless series of Ann's stunts designed solely to generate blogospheric buzz. Transparent and lame.

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As the anti-drug TV spots say:

This is a law school professor's brain.

This is a law school professor's brain after listening to Rush (and admiring his tactics after a few years).
Back to back bulls-eyes.
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Old 03-02-2009, 12:57 PM
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The racism shown by liberals toward Jindal was disgusting. Chris Matthews (famed for his sexist and racist comments) stated " The Republicans had outsourced" their response. This was after contemptuously snorting "Oh, God" when Jindal came out. How many liberals denounced Matthews? Almost none.

Like most liberal men, Matthews can't tolerate independent men of color - or women. To liberals, people of color need to know their place - and stay on the liberal plantation.

Funny how all the liberal sensitivity toward "racism" and "sexism" disappears when conservatives are involved.
rc shows up once again in a hit&run during an Althouse dvlog, to repeat some partisan slander, and generally show us the overall quality of the Althouse commentariat.

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Old 03-02-2009, 12:57 PM
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DC is far more just another US city than it is a Federal seat. The only reason to deny that many people a vote, is because of the (likely accurate) perception that they'd be, largely, liberal.
I disagree. To be a Federal seat is the raison d'etre.

I have no concern whether Washingtonians are liberals or ditto-heads. If they live there, it is by choice, and they must respect the special status of the District.
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Old 03-02-2009, 01:00 PM
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I disagree. To be a Federal seat is the raison d'etre.

I have no concern whether Washingtonians are liberals or ditto-heads. If they live there, it is by choice, and they must respect the special status of the District.
If they live there, it may be because they were born there. They may not want to leave their homes in order to participate in the democratic process of the country of their birth. The vast majority have no direct link to the Federal Government.
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Old 03-02-2009, 01:00 PM
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Funny how all the liberal sensitivity toward "racism" and "sexism" disappears when conservatives are involved.
Funny how conservatives always whine about liberals "playing the race card."

Until, that is, they think they see a chance to play it themselves.

And if you think disliking Jindal's speech was indicative of racism, you've indicted a large fraction of the people on your side, too.
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Old 03-02-2009, 01:01 PM
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rc shows up once again in a hit&run during an Althouse dvlog, to repeat some partisan slander, and generally show us the overall quality of the Althouse commentariat.

Say "Hi" to Trooper York/Sgt Shulz for us, 'kay?
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Old 03-02-2009, 01:02 PM
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Are there any reliable studies on relationships based on "fetishes"? I know a lot of women in happy relationships who enjoy being submissive. I know (or know of) fewer men. Still, it seems silly to think that there isn't some percentage of the population of women who enjoy putting on a strapon and playing a "male" role in a MF relationship where the man enjoys getting the straopon and playing a "female" role. I don't know any male (out) submissives but I do know quite a few female submissives who are married. Have kids. And are completely indistinguishable from "normal" people (unless circumstances provide that they let on what they like to do in the bedroom).
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Old 03-02-2009, 01:14 PM
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If they live there, it may be because they were born there. They may not want to leave their homes in order to participate in the democratic process of the country of their birth. The vast majority have no direct link to the Federal Government.
Oh, come on. This is silly stuff -- you can't vote as a child. At 18 you become an adult, you leave your parents' house, and you gain the right to vote -- outside the District.

But you're missing the main point. To live in DC is to be linked to the Federal Government. Americans across the continent see DC as a special place. If you DC residents don't understand that, someone has failed you in your early education.
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Old 03-02-2009, 01:17 PM
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Oh, come on. This is silly stuff -- you can't vote as a child. At 18 you become an adult, you leave your parents' house, and you gain the right to vote -- outside the District.

But you're missing the main point. To live in DC is to be linked to the Federal Government. Americans across the continent see DC as a special place. If you DC residents don't understand that, someone has failed you in your early education.
Simon, we disagree about what's silly. You making a specious argument that denies an important right to a large number of people.
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Old 03-02-2009, 01:19 PM
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Old 03-02-2009, 01:28 PM
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The racism shown by liberals toward Jindal was disgusting. Chris Matthews (famed for his sexist and racist comments) stated " The Republicans had outsourced" their response. This was after contemptuously snorting "Oh, God" when Jindal came out. How many liberals denounced Matthews? Almost none.

Like most liberal men, Matthews can't tolerate independent men of color - or women. To liberals, people of color need to know their place - and stay on the liberal plantation.

Funny how all the liberal sensitivity toward "racism" and "sexism" disappears when conservatives are involved.
ROFL.
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Old 03-02-2009, 01:31 PM
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To all of you libtards who say that Ann never does a diavlog without being half-bombed on red wine, what do you have to say to this, huh?
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Old 03-02-2009, 01:42 PM
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Fairbanks and others seem to miss the point on a DC representative. DC isn't a state and isn't allowed a seat in Congress - period. Constitutionally, there isn't anymore to discuss.

As for DC citizens not being allowed to vote, they vote for President. They can't vote for Senate or Congress because they don't live in a state. Live in DC and don't like it? Leave - you can always commute. To quote an old cartoon "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred."

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Old 03-02-2009, 01:43 PM
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Simon, we disagree about what's silly. You making a specious argument that denies an important right to a large number of people.
You may call my concerns "symbolic", but not "specious". Like the flag and the constitution, DC is one of those concepts that binds us together as one nation. The District is enormously revered in the American mind. When that ceases to be true (and there is always a lot of discomfort in the heartland about the power of "Washington"), it will be to the detriment of the Union and those who favor a strong central government.

By the way, what's next? Why don't you want two Senators? Why don't you want a DC governor and state house? How about a star on the flag? Don't forget the state quarter!
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Old 03-02-2009, 01:59 PM
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BJ:

As for Trooper York, say hello yourselves - he has a blog. He'd appreciate a battle of wits - even though you're unarmed.
Is that what passes for fresh, original humor among wingnuts?

I'm sure Pooper York appreciates your attempt to drive traffic. I've looked at his blog a couple of times in the past and never thought it was worth the bother. I see he now apparently has narrowed his interest to pictures of pastry and David Hasselhoff. In sum: too stupid even for lulz.

When he grows a pair, maybe he'll register over here, instead of letting you squeak on his behalf.
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Old 03-02-2009, 02:01 PM
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You may call my concerns "symbolic", but not "specious". Like the flag and the constitution, DC is one of those concepts that binds us together as one nation. The District is enormously revered in the American mind. When that ceases to be true (and there is always a lot of discomfort in the heartland about the power of "Washington"), it will be to the detriment of the Union and those who favor a strong central government.

By the way, what's next? Why don't you want two Senators? Why don't you want a DC governor and state house? How about a star on the flag? Don't forget the state quarter!
Certainly "symbolic," I'll give you that. But arguments such as
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(how is this relevant to the voting rights of US citizens?)

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The District is enormously revered in the American mind.
(people certainly do revere the Capital, as such, meaning the federal buildings, the monuments, etc..., but those are a small part of the city, and arguing that the specific status of the city-at-large would have an effect on that reverence is un-evidenced, at best. And, see above.)

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If you DC residents don't understand that, someone has failed you in your early education.
(You're treating an argument as a premise, here.)

certainly seem specious to me.
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That was great diavlog form Ann. I really enjoyed her defending Limbaugh, our party system and our constitution.

Regarding racism of Democrat Party, conservatives should not complain about it. I mean, it’s quite a spectacle watching msnbc employees insult American people on government dime. But whatever; we should just let it slide.

BTW, I think all conservatives that had criticized Limbaugh in the past, now since he gave his address to American people on Saturday, have egg on their face.

As others have said, that speech will be talked about for years and even decades.
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Is that what passes for fresh, original humor among wingnuts?

I'm sure Pooper York appreciates your attempt to drive traffic. I've looked at his blog a couple of times in the past and never thought it was worth the bother. I see he now apparently has narrowed his interest to pictures of pastry and David Hasselhoff. In sum: too stupid even for lulz.

When he grows a pair, maybe he'll register over here, instead of letting you squeak on his behalf.
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Old 03-02-2009, 02:05 PM
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Old 03-02-2009, 02:21 PM
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and arguing that the specific status of the city-at-large would have an effect on that reverence is un-evidenced, at best.
OK -- on this one point -- I'll admit to you that I'm stretching the argument.

Also, I have just learned that there is a DC quarter in the works.

However, you conveniently fail to answer my "slippery slope" question -- how about Senators?

Let's also note that DC is not unique in it's restriction from participation in Federal elections. There are a number of little islands... And 4 Million Puerto Ricans.
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What did you use for comparison?
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Old 03-02-2009, 02:30 PM
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OK -- on this one point -- I'll admit to you that I'm stretching the argument.

Also, I have just learned that there is a DC quarter in the works.

However, you conveniently fail to answer my "slippery slope" question -- how about Senators?

Let's also note that DC is not unique in it's restriction from participation in Federal elections. There are a number of little islands... And 4 Million Puerto Ricans.
I don't know about Senators - I don't think that going the full monte here is necessarily the fairest solution. I'd be happy be to absorb the district back into Maryland.

I'm also 100% for Puerto Rican statehood - they've been taken into the Union - they should have the full array of rights granted to most other citizens. You can extend that argument to all of the little islands and whatnot - tie them together in one geographically dis-contiguous political unit, absorb some into Hawaii or another convenient sink, whatever ad-hoc solution creates the fewest issues would be fine to me. In for a penny...
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Old 03-02-2009, 02:37 PM
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However, you conveniently fail to answer my "slippery slope" question -- how about Senators?
Is this like opposing same-sex marriage and using the suggestion that if legalized, it will lead to bestiality?

Slippery-slope arguments are unconvincing.
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Old 03-02-2009, 02:47 PM
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Re Puerto Rican statehood -- Congress tried to give it to them.

But they keep on voting it down:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_...us_referendums

Who knows, maybe next time people will finally vote in favor...
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Old 03-02-2009, 02:58 PM
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Re Puerto Rican statehood -- Congress tried to give it to them.

But they keep on voting it down:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_...us_referendums

Who knows, maybe next time people will finally vote in favor...
You're right. I was asserting what I think is fair - if they, collectively, don't want it, then, that's another issue.
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Old 03-02-2009, 03:15 PM
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Hilarious. I wish more people would blogginghead on the sauce.

Seriously, it's the commenters who turn investors off of BhTV?
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