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Old 03-05-2010, 04:59 PM
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Old 03-05-2010, 05:22 PM
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Default Republicans for Murder as a Political Tool

The charming Melissa Clouthier gives a shoutout to Dan Riehl's call for the violent overthrow of the United States government and violent expulsion of Obama and the Democrats.

So, you can see, there is widespread acceptance on the right of the idea that Democratic governance is inherently illegitimate and that the violent overthrow of the government is a proper response to losing elections.

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Old 03-05-2010, 10:04 PM
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The charming Melissa Clouthier gives a shoutout to Dan Riehl's call for the violent overthrow of the United States government and violent expulsion of Obama and the Democrats.

So, you can see, there is widespread acceptance on the right of the idea that Democratic governance is inherently illegitimate and that the violent overthrow of the government is a proper response to losing elections.
I was driving behind some dimwit today who had a "impeach Obama" bumper sticker. Needless to say he was a middle age white male in a pickup truck somewhere in rural California.
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Old 03-08-2010, 05:08 PM
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Old 03-08-2010, 04:09 PM
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Why is this NPRLite-style site now pandering to the partier types?

In any case, here's more on Dan Riehl, here's Erick Erickson seeming to promote revolution and violence against politicians, and here are my posts about Glenn Reynolds.
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Old 03-05-2010, 05:43 PM
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Hey, Melissa, I know your queen spent all of fall 2008 telling you that people like me weren't Real Americans™, but you know what? When you presume to say what "the American people" think and want, you sound as clueless as the caricature you have of "DC types."

Try watching something besides Fox News. Try listening to someone besides Rush Limbaugh. Try reading something besides Erick Erickson, Dan Riehl, and Hot Air. You might learn something.
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Old 03-05-2010, 05:53 PM
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You might learn something.
Not at all likely. She's deeply indoctrinated, and she likes it that way. This is a woman who thinks the President unilaterally appoints justices to the Utah Supreme Court.

I love how right after she says maybe Obama is appointing justices to Utah's Supreme Court, she says "it's one more thing that makes the process seem so dirty."

Imagine: It's people like Melissa from whom the wingnut right gets its information. No wonder the country is in such trouble.
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Old 03-05-2010, 06:05 PM
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Default These people on the far right ...

... do like their metaphors of violence, don't they?

Seems like only yesterday that we were being told not to vote for Barack Obama because of his "radical ties" and "pallin' around with terrorists."
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Old 03-05-2010, 06:06 PM
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Default Re: The Week in Blog: Unbaked Cake (Bill Scher & Melissa Clouthier)

For those interested, Scott Matheson, nominated to the 10th circuit, brother of Jim Matheson (D-UT). Paul Cassel, blogging at the conservative-libertarian-leaning legal blog, Volokh Conspiracy, praising him and disputing any conspiracy theory: http://volokh.com/2010/03/05/scott-m...tenth-circuit/
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Old 03-05-2010, 06:22 PM
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Too late. Michele Bachmann is already calling for a special prosecutor to investigate the scandal. It's like Newt never left.
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Old 03-05-2010, 06:25 PM
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wow. that was just sad.

http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/264...0:24&out=21:03

"I'm not talking about the reality of the bill, but how it feels"

and why does it feel that way? maybe because people like Melissa run around lying about it and trying to get people to FEEL some fear.

what a tool.
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Old 03-05-2010, 08:57 PM
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Melissa did well. Slow start, but made up for that. Bill was very nice to the newcomer, unlike the insufferable jerks who have posted above.

Melissa is correct about why there is so much angst on the right about the bill and IMHO the angst is justified.

It sounds like no one is happy about the bill, for very different reasons. But it is always silly to make statements about what the American people want, because there really is no such thing and we/they are split pretty much down the middle.

At what point were people thinking that Obama was going to bring fiscal responsibility to Washington?

Only 15 billion? this is insanity.

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Old 03-06-2010, 02:15 AM
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didn't we loose 9 billion in the ever shifting sands of Iraq?

and speaking of ever shifting sands, it is hilarious to watch Melissa shift from 15 billion OMG! to "in the grand scheme of things what is 15 billion going to do" when the Mass Tea bagger is brought up.
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Old 03-05-2010, 09:12 PM
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I'm hoping that this comment is down enough that I can write what I think about it without breaking some BhTV rule.

I realize it's Friday evening. It's the end of a long week of work. I'm probably tired and cranky. But I could only listen to this for less than 4 minutes. Melissa's "outrage" is revolting. I'll let others enjoy this one. I'd rather shovel snow, if I had any left...

Bob criticized comments that announce that someone isn't going to listen to a diavlog. Wonderment pointed out that it's an act of protest. I'll add that indeed it is a statement of disapproval, for whatever it's worth. Those of us who comment regularly in this forum, may want from time to time express this kind of reaction to a particular diavlogger or topic or political position. Not everything is wonderful. Let's chip away the unwonderfulness.
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Old 03-05-2010, 09:23 PM
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I'm hoping that this comment is down enough that I can write what I think about it without breaking some BhTV rule.

I realize it's Friday evening. It's the end of a long week of work. I'm probably tired and cranky. But I could only listen to this for less than 4 minutes. Melissa's "outrage" is revolting. I'll let others enjoy this one. I'd rather shovel snow, if I had any left...
It's an understandable reaction, and I probably would have done the same had it not been for wanting to hear from Bill after so many weeks of skipping TWiB.

Still, though, I hope people do listen to at least part of this, because Melissa strikes me as a good representative of the base of the right, and the product of what a couple of years of insularity and non-stop hysteria from their propagandists has wrought. Believe you me, she sounds exactly like 95% of the people posting in the right blogosphere, and I don't even go to the real crazy sites anymore.

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Bob criticized comments that announce that someone isn't going to listen to a diavlog. Wonderment pointed out that it's an act of protest. I'll add that indeed it is a statement of disapproval, for whatever it's worth. Those of us who comment regularly in this forum, may want from time to time express this kind of reaction to a particular diavlogger or topic or political position. Not everything is wonderful. Let's chip away the unwonderfulness.
Quite so.
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Old 03-05-2010, 09:30 PM
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Still, though, I hope people do listen to at least part of this, because Melissa strikes me as a good representative of the base of the right, and the product of what a couple of years of insularity and non-stop hysteria from their propagandists has wrought. Believe you me, she sounds exactly like 95% of the people posting in the right blogosphere, and I don't even go to the real crazy sites anymore.
I've had the interesting experience of meeting some in real life (AFK), no need for more.
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Old 03-05-2010, 09:33 PM
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It's an understandable reaction, and I probably would have done the same had it not been for wanting to hear from Bill after so many weeks of skipping TWiB.
Believe you me, she sounds exactly like 95% of the people posting in the right blogosphere, and I don't even go to the real crazy sites anymore.
Yep, real sad. It makes me wonder what this world is coming to. You guys just keep patting yourselves on the back (watch the shoulder!) about your well thought out and compassionate take on things. And don't pay any heed to anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Classic!

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Old 03-05-2010, 09:41 PM
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Yep, real sad. It makes me wonder what this world is coming to. You guys just keep patting yourselves on the back about your well thought out and compassionate take on things. And don't pay any heed to anyone who doesn't agree with you.
Oh, badhat, spring is almost here. Time to put away the victim cloak.

Try to wrap your mind around the idea that there is a difference, even in the mind of us self-aggrandizing libtards, between political views we don't agree with and someone just being generally, boneheadedly against "what Obama is trying to do to the American way of life." This is supposed to be a site where we hear from people capable of discussion at a level above talk radio and the cable yakfests.

You want someone to pay heed to you, you have to be able to make a case with something other than sweeping and unsupported assertions about what "the American people want" and "what everyone outside of DC thinks." Please. Don't tell me you're proud of the way Melissa represented your side's point of view. She did absolutely nothing but parrot the same old fears the rightwing noise machine has been trying to foster since mid-2008, when it became clear Obama was going to win the Democratic Party's nomination.

I gotta tell you -- if you can't get Ocean of all people to listen to you for more than four minutes, there's something seriously wrong.
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Old 03-05-2010, 09:43 PM
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Oh, badhat, spring is almost here. Time to put away the victim cloak.
LOL!

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ROFL!
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Old 03-07-2010, 12:50 AM
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Oh, badhat, spring is almost here. Time to put away the victim cloak.

Try to wrap your mind around the idea that there is a difference, even in the mind of us self-aggrandizing libtards, between political views we don't agree with and someone just being generally, boneheadedly against "what Obama is trying to do to the American way of life." This is supposed to be a site where we hear from people capable of discussion at a level above talk radio and the cable yakfests.
Agreed 100%. A big reason I enjoy bloggingheads is precisely because melon-heads like Melissa aren't allowed to pummel us with their drivel.

Particularly though, the Week in Blog, where participants should be smartly reporting on what the take is from their side of the blogosphere, not mindlessly repeating their talking points.
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Old 03-05-2010, 09:42 PM
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Yep, real sad. It makes me wonder what this world is coming to. You guys just keep patting yourselves on the back about your well thought out and compassionate take on things. And don't pay any heed to anyone who doesn't agree with you.
Your statement isn't accurate. There's a significant amount of discussion in this forum. Of course there are times when commenters are in agreement and they state so. However, most of the discussion seems to be between people that are holding different opinions. It seems like you don't like to hear that many others disagree with you.
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Old 03-05-2010, 09:28 PM
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"outrage" ... revolting.
how sad!
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Old 03-05-2010, 09:36 PM
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how sad!
Outrage directed to the wrong targets (in someone's opinion) will create a reaction. It is sad indeed because it can originate a cycle of anger and reaction. It's never productive in the long term. The good thing about finding it revolting is that it ends there. Revolting, in the sense that I used it*, is a form of avoidance, not of aggression.

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a. To feel disgust or repugnance: to revolt at a public display of cruelty.
b. To turn away in revulsion or abhorrence: They revolted from the sight.
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Old 03-05-2010, 09:30 PM
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When Matt Lewis charmingly delivers the Right's talking points, he seems 'in on the joke'.

Melissa seems 'not to have a clue', or very many facts, but she's A TRUE BELIEVER.
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Old 03-05-2010, 09:43 PM
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Default Political ventriloquism

Recently there's been a lot of complaints about heads who say "the American people want/don't want/believe/don't believe" and then proceed to share their own opinion. Melissa Clouthier is the veritable Shari Lewis of this kind of political ventriloquism, except Shari didn't actually believe that Lambchop was a real person whose thoughts and ideas she was accurately portraying.

I don't think this fallacy has a name. It isn't an argument from popularity, because the whole point is that you don't actually know whether the point you're trying to make is popular or not (and often it's impossible to know, as in Melissa's argument that the American People see health care reform as "just another big government program"). But it seems to me that when you're reduced to using the American People as your dummy, it's an indication that you actually can't back up your point. So I propose a new internet law: any time you say "The people believe such-and-such", you must immediately back it up with data from a reputable pollster or else concede that you're projecting your own opinion onto 300 million people and pretending that justifies your argument. This law will be called Clouthier's Law.

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Old 03-05-2010, 09:55 PM
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Recently there's been a lot of complaints about heads who say "the American people want/don't want/believe/don't believe" and then proceed to share their own opinion.

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I don't think this fallacy has a name. It isn't an argument from popularity, because the whole point is that you don't actually know whether the point you're trying to make is popular or not (and often it's impossible to know, as in Melissa's argument that the American People see health care reform as "just another big government program"). But it seems to me that when you're reduced to using the American People as your dummy, it's an indication that you actually can't back up your point.
I've been trying hard not to, but I have no choice but to bring back from the dark corners of the forbidden, the oh-so-overly-used term "meme". That's exactly how it works. Some idea, concept is made public, and then repeated endlessly. It's used as if it contained some basic uncontroversial truth behind. People start to accept it is true even when it has never proven to be such. It's become very popular in the media. I would say it's being used very widely by the right. It's sad.

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So I propose a new internet law: any time you say "The people believe such-and-such", you must immediately back it up with data from a reputable pollster or else concede that you're projecting your own opinion onto 300 million people and pretending that justifies your argument. This law will be called Clouthier's Law.
No, don't glamorize the undeserving. She didn't invent it.

If you want to give it a name, call it Lambchop's law. Wasn't it Lambchop that would come up with the funniest, most outrageous ideas as if they were self evident?
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Old 03-05-2010, 11:11 PM
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If you want to give it a name, call it Lambchop's law. Wasn't it Lambchop that would come up with the funniest, most outrageous ideas as if they were self evident?
I vote yes on Lambchop's law. Or should I say, "The America People support Lambchop's Law!"
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I agree. Much better.

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Old 03-05-2010, 11:33 PM
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Old 03-06-2010, 12:47 PM
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Where'd the pic go?
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Old 03-07-2010, 11:48 AM
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ONOZ.
I think the lolcats online generator must not store the created pictures forever and ever. Fortunately, I saved it.

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Old 03-07-2010, 01:04 PM
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I think the lolcats online generator must not store the created pictures forever and ever. Fortunately, I saved it.

Thanks for that. I did not know about Lambchop prior to this thread. (Oh, and a salute to Ocean for the original proposal.)

Thanks also for your earlier link to the top ten list of Internet Laws. Not five minutes ago, I was thinking of one of them and couldn't remember the name. But now, for at least the next ten minutes, I will remember ... Skitt's Law.
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:42 PM
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I did not know about Lambchop prior to this thread.
How could you not have known Lambchop?!

(PS: I guess you didn't have kids to watch TV with...)
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:50 PM
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How could you not have known Lambchop?!

(PS: I guess you didn't have kids to watch TV with...)
Sigh. I lived for that show. "this is the song that never ends, and it goes on and on my friend..."
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Old 03-07-2010, 02:02 PM
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How could you not have known Lambchop?!
The number of gaps in my knowledge is legion. One might even say it is the complement of a comb space. But ...

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... thank you for making an excuse on my behalf.



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Old 03-15-2010, 01:20 PM
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Default Lambchop's Law vigilante

Henry Farrell catches Clive Crook violating Lambchop's Law.

What Crook wrote:

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In the last big push to get reform through, using whatever deals, scams, ruses and parliamentary evasions fall to hand, the public and their concerns are pushed ever more to the periphery of Washington’s vision. … Recovering voters’ respect for the outcome, even assuming the outcome is good, looks an ever more distant prospect. … Democrats facing tight elections are right to worry that “in due course” might be a long time. It is hard to see how the public will forget this mess between now and November. … passing an unpopular bill by questionable means is unlikely to prove an electoral tonic.
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In the last big push to get reform through, using whatever deals, scams, ruses and parliamentary evasions fall to hand, me and my concerns are pushed ever more to the periphery of Washington’s vision. … My respect for the outcome, even assuming the outcome is good, looks an ever more distant prospect. … Democrats facing tight elections are right to worry that “in due course” might be a long time. It is hard to see how I will forget this mess between now and November. … passing an unpopular bill by questionable means is unlikely to win my vote.
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Old 03-15-2010, 02:27 PM
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Henry Farrell catches Clive Crook violating Lambchop's Law.

What Crook wrote:



And Farrell's translation of Crook:
Excellent! Not to mention that there are a few internal violations by stating (as an obviously established fact when it's not) that the bill is unpopular, and the means are questionable...

This is a time for thinking carefully and reviewing how much truth, if any, is behind those arguments.
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Old 03-22-2010, 03:07 PM
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Henry Farrell catches Crook again:

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Remarkable as it may be—and welcome, too, as I believe—it is nonetheless a tainted victory. Brown won in Massachusetts for a reason. The Democrats had failed to make their case for this reform to me. They pressed the case for some sort of reform, but that was easy: I was already there. What I dislike is this particular bill, and the Democrats, intent on arguing among themselves, barely even tried to change my mind.
I struggle to understand how extending health insurance to 32 million Americans, at a cost of a trillion dollars over ten years, can be a deficit-reducing measure. If cuts in Medicare will pay for half of that outlay, as the plan intends, I struggle to see how the quality of Medicare’s services can be maintained—let alone improved, as Pelosi said again in her speech on Sunday. The CBO notwithstanding, I am right not to believe these claims.

Whether you agree with that or not, the law the Democrats just passed is unpopular with me. It is a far-reaching, transformative measure that in the end will affect almost everyone; it is opposed by me most of the time; and it is now law. I would never have believed this possible in the United States.
"Me the people" is almost as good as Lamchop's Law.
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Old 03-22-2010, 04:09 PM
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Henry Farrell catches Crook again:

"Me the people" is almost as good as Lamchop's Law.
Brilliant "translation" of Crook's article, which definitely strayed into Lambchop territory. (I read Crook's actual Atlantic column and found it a bit internally inconsistent, both in terms of his ambivalence which seems to have him making contradictory points, and in terms of specific assertions (such as claiming that the U.S. system of government is "exquisitely sensitive to public opinion," which would seem to be ignoring the role of the Supreme Court (desegregation, anyone? or Citizens United?).)

Crook's claim to having the inside dope on what "the American public" wants or thinks is even more thoroughly debunked in the Joshua Tucker piece linked to in the article you cited.
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Old 03-06-2010, 12:45 PM
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Default Re: Political ventriloquism

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Originally Posted by kezboard View Post
I propose a new internet law: any time you say "The people believe such-and-such", you must immediately back it up with data from a reputable pollster or else concede that you're projecting your own opinion onto 300 million people and pretending that justifies your argument. This law will be called Clouthier's Law.
I advocate passage of ths law. And should a filibuster be attempted upon it, I propose that it be passed through reconciliation.

Lambchop rules!

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