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Old 01-06-2012, 09:39 AM
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Default Re: Matt Yglesias: Creating Jobs by Cutting Wages

Originally Posted by sugarkang View Post
I think we're having a language definition problem. I think you're seeing deficient as a value judgment and I'm seeing deficient as lacking sensitivity to 3 of 5 (or 6) factors relative to conservatives. I've already mentioned that I don't judge other people's sense of morality, didn't I?

I think you (and others) have difficulty with what I'm saying because my thought process and sense of morality is different.
I don't see how deficient isn't a value judgment. It's at least an evaluative statement. Different would be a non-evaluative statement. One can note that some people have brown eyes and some have blue without regarding either as deficient; that's how Haidt's model is intended. But claiming that scoring low on this index that isn't necessarily good or bad is proof of deficiency or lacking sensitivity or whatnot is simply not what haidt intended and also seems at most a wording difference from value judgment, at least at the scale of better/worse.

And the corollary of the above is that conservatives are deficient because they lack sensitivity to fairness and care, relative to liberals. If one wanted to treat Haidt's moral scale as something that measured deficiencies, rather than a framework for describing variation.

I'd also point out that your distinction between a statement of deficiency and a statement of values is exactly the kind of distinction that you have avoided strenuously when we've discussed accusations of racism.
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