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Forum: Diavlog comments 09-15-2010, 01:38 PM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

This appears to have reached critical mass for Stupid Pointless Flame Wars. Iím tied up with work just now, but if youíre game for it, let me know and Iíll look into how to set up there.
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-13-2010, 10:10 AM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

Here's a link to the specific post I had in mind:

http://tiny.cc/qzbu5

If you actually go there, you'll find multiple posts on her experiences with and developed views on copyright law and how...
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-13-2010, 08:05 AM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

Whoa -- drop the knife and back off from the ledge. And stop worrying so much about my feelings.

I jumped in early and hard on this thread because I was concerned the initial reactions might turn...
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-12-2010, 08:00 PM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

Here is a bet that is not hollow: I am willing to bet you that if you were to go to Ms Paleys website and post there precisely what you have posted here, she would not only have a different take, she...
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-12-2010, 07:34 PM
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Forum: Diavlog comments 09-12-2010, 04:07 PM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

If you go to her website, you can read about all the projects she has been involved in, including commissions from the likes of the LHC, the EFF (very memorable) and clients of that class in the...
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-12-2010, 11:57 AM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

Quite sure -- recall this part of your post:

what if humans are some species last hope for survival

All I did was add that to the indisputable fact that humans are causing a lot more...
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-12-2010, 07:38 AM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

I for one will withhold judgment until I see the minutes of the meetings of the death panel.

Imagine, if you will, a committee under some international body like the UN were set up to make these...
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-11-2010, 02:35 PM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

I don't want you to think this isn't fun, or I'm running away or something, but there's a course I'm supposed to be on in about an hour, so - off to put on my special course shoes and retrieve my...
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-11-2010, 02:31 PM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

Hey, I don't need anonymity to speak out as her Loris here or anywhere.

But stick with it, O: you're starting to show signs of coming around.

(Seriously, I think there are lots of less fringey...
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-11-2010, 02:23 PM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

Except ... shes not acting irresponsibly, and the things she actually does are just as consistent with holding a less realist, more optimist view. Check out all the work shes done on copyright...
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-11-2010, 02:13 PM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

This is pretty cool. We've arrived at the point that she's being criticized, not for her VE views, but for not being extreme enough in them.

Stop being such a nice, likeable person Nina -- just...
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-11-2010, 02:07 PM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

Damn -- I was thinking we might be headed for consignment to the Stupid Pointless Flame Wars bin, and then you go and whittle our differences down to something manageable.
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-11-2010, 02:04 PM
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Re: The scale

I didn't see her as overcome by guilt, or at all burdened by it, more than normal, happy, active people of every point of view imaginable. Nor, frankly, did I see her commitment to VE as anything...
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-11-2010, 01:52 PM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

The human species has been around for something less, maybe quite a bit less, than 2 million years. That is out of a planetary life of something on the order of 3.8 billion years -- half a...
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-11-2010, 01:31 PM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

A lot more palatable ... to some. You want to give her a make-over, go tell her so; me, I think she knows her mind, and her VE support isn't holding her or it back in the least, and hurting exactly...
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-11-2010, 01:26 PM
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Re: logical extension of the humans are bad argument

You write of Russians as if they are a monolith. I have known many, many Russians in my time, and none of them showed any trait to uniformity whatsoever. It is the homeland of Pushkin, Tolstoy,...
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-11-2010, 01:13 PM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

No, no: human extinction is inevitable. I see no detect no death wish or other sign of mental disorder in Ms Paley -- just a highly-developed realism.
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-11-2010, 12:57 PM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

Ah, but then without all those contradictions, she would not be Nina Paley -- or even human.
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-11-2010, 12:27 PM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

You had me right up until the end. Of course she has it; she continues to live, she's fighting a great and noble fight against corporatism in copyrights, she has a world of friends and supporters --...
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-11-2010, 12:21 PM
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Re: The scale

So much for those doom naysayers at the top of the thread.
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-11-2010, 12:18 PM
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Re: The scale

Hey, go ahead and listen to it all. You'll find if you put your bargain to her, she would doubt your sincerity. Not you personally; any human. She likes them and all, but they're a lost cause.

But...
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-11-2010, 12:06 PM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

No - they agreed some humans would likely survive, but Ms Paley was very doubtful her skills as a cartoonist would prove all that helpful in a survivalist world.

And no, she didn't advocate any...
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-11-2010, 11:40 AM
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Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

She's not promoting suicide. She's after these bad actors: http://tiny.cc/bw04l
Forum: Diavlog comments 09-11-2010, 11:35 AM
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Views: 28,354
Re: Science Saturday: Child-Free Edition (Nina Paley & Mike Treder)

You're right, that was the number; I suspect it's stale-dated and now a bit lower. I gather Ms Paley would argue your number is high by about 2.1.

Regardless, a plan to sustain at the current...
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