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Forum: Diavlog comments 01-27-2011, 12:02 PM
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Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

Ocean: One last point, so as to be absolutely clear. My point is not that the Humean/Sentimentalist view that morality is an outgrowth of the human capacity for sympathy is incorrect. (I think it...
Forum: Diavlog comments 01-27-2011, 11:58 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 15,758
Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

Ocean: This may be true, but the problem I have with some of the arguments that you describe as "moderate" and with those more supportive of the research is that they not only ignore most of the...
Forum: Diavlog comments 01-27-2011, 10:57 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 15,758
Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

Florian: Yeah, the minute I hear the "intellectual snobbery" populist line, I know that there's no real argument there.

Test: When you are prepared to address some of the specific, substantive...
Forum: Diavlog comments 01-25-2011, 05:46 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 15,758
Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

JJ: Your answer is an excellent one and pithily put.

Harry: I would add the following, along the lines of my reply to you in the other thread. The fact that human beings are made entirely of...
Forum: Diavlog comments 01-25-2011, 04:26 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 15,758
Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

Harry: A few remarks.

1. I don't know what you mean when you say "agency" is inborn, but if what you mean by 'agency' is what is typically meant--i.e. agency is that state in which one is fully...
Forum: Diavlog comments 01-25-2011, 12:24 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 15,758
Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

Cragger: Just on the first point:

(1) there are all sorts of reasons to believe that adult behaviors can be so interpreted (their brain capacity being one major one), while there are just as...
Forum: Diavlog comments 01-24-2011, 11:30 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 15,758
Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

Jeff: I don't think I'm being rigid or assuming a purely objective conception of observation. But the "theoretical framework" you want to allow the cognitive scientist to assume gives away the...
Forum: Diavlog comments 01-24-2011, 09:08 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 15,758
Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

cragger: I don't think we are necessarily misunderstanding each other. Rather, I think that we just fundamentally disagree on this.

My point is that a scientist cannot use 'moral' as a neutral...
Forum: Diavlog comments 01-24-2011, 05:34 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 15,758
Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

cragger: I am afraid you misunderstood my response. I have not "dismissed" anyone. In fact, my own conception of morality is probably closer to sentimentalism than anything else. I am certainly...
Forum: Diavlog comments 01-24-2011, 02:01 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 15,758
Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

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badhat: With respect to your first query, the point is that it is hard to see how an infant could see an action as a hindrance, if he/she did not have the concept of (a) an actor; (b)...
Forum: Diavlog comments 01-24-2011, 01:54 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 15,758
Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

Jay J: I'm not sure I understand all of the questions you ask or their nuances, but I will do my best here. Please consider reformulating some of your questions, if I fail to answer them...
Forum: Diavlog comments 01-23-2011, 12:54 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 15,758
Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

Jon: In a nutshell, yes. What we mean by "moral", when we speak of moral judgments and moral reactions, is heavily intentional. And there is tremendous disagreement about the nature of it--see the...
Forum: Diavlog comments 01-23-2011, 12:30 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 15,758
Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

Jon: Not exactly. The point is that one cannot justify ascriptions of moral approval/disapproval to pre-linguistic infants. To simply approve or disapprove--if what is meant is "yay!" "yuck!"--is...
Forum: Diavlog comments 01-23-2011, 12:22 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 15,758
Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

No, of course, everyone is not a Kantian (including me). But everyone isn't a hedonist/consequentialist either, and one certainly can't assume that moral paradigm as "factual", such that you employ...
Forum: Diavlog comments 01-22-2011, 11:30 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 15,758
Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

Diane: See my reply to Ocean above. If the Kantians are right about morality--or any Deontologist for that matter--then developing empathy has nothing to do with becoming a moral agent.


==Dan...
Forum: Diavlog comments 01-22-2011, 11:26 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 15,758
Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

A few points.

Ocean: I would deny that one can so easily demarcate a "pure" behavioral observation and one that is shot through with intentionality. This is one of the major problems with...
Forum: Diavlog comments 01-22-2011, 10:21 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 15,758
Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

Jeff, the problem is that what the authors of the study are alleging is that they've observed moral responses. Indeed this is the whole point of the dialogue: that pre-linguistic infants nonetheless...
Forum: Diavlog comments 01-22-2011, 09:32 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 15,758
Posted By Daniel Kaufman
Re: Science Saturday: Ethics of Infants (Joshua Knobe & Kiley Hamlin)

I have to say that this was one of the sloppier, more intellectually lazy dialogues I've seen in quite a while. The "study" performed by Hamlin is almost a textbook case of bad social science, and...
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