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Forum: Diavlog comments 12-24-2011, 02:44 PM
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Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

Here is a prior post-W&M Friedman column on the settlements:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/opinion/02friedman.html?ref=opinion

Here is the blog post that brought me to it, care of Google:
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Forum: Diavlog comments 12-24-2011, 12:37 PM
Replies: 157
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Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

Stephanie said:



Where I spoke of a Jewish Lobby influencing the media and politics and hence, indirectly, your gentile peers, you now speak of brainwashing. If I explicitly say that the...
Forum: Diavlog comments 12-23-2011, 05:28 PM
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Views: 21,047
Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

RISible said:



This has to be one of the most RISible sentences ever written. No insult, no invective, would be adequate to encompass this level of stupidity. But, you know, thanks for...
Forum: Diavlog comments 12-23-2011, 05:02 PM
Replies: 157
Views: 21,047
Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

Here is evidence. Use of that particular phrase engendered the anti-Semitism charge and evinced the names of W&M at the "Commentary" website. How much more evidence do you need? Now, Friedman is...
Forum: Diavlog comments 12-22-2011, 01:07 PM
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Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

But there has been a consistent US policy since 1967 to oppose the West Bank settlements in word, but not in deed. 9/11 may have made imposition of leverage by the US more difficult, but then $4 gas...
Forum: Diavlog comments 12-20-2011, 12:01 PM
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Views: 21,047
Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/deep-pockets-deeply-political/?hp (http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/deep-pockets-deeply-political/?hpv)
Forum: Diavlog comments 12-19-2011, 03:51 PM
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Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

Stephanie said:



It doesn't bug me, because I don't think it's terribly relevant, as I have said over and over. I'll have to read the entire W&M book, first of all. The hardliners control...
Forum: Diavlog comments 12-18-2011, 10:03 PM
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Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

All well and good, but what I said was that Friedman would not have put that sentence in his column about the Israel lobby pre-W&M. I was in the process of researching the truth-value of my...
Forum: Diavlog comments 12-14-2011, 09:06 PM
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Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

...And what is more, I just did a Google search on “Thomas Friedman Israel lobby.” The magazine to which you subscribe, Stephanie, the Norman Podhoretz rag, associates this Friedman column...
Forum: Diavlog comments 12-14-2011, 08:18 PM
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Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

Yes, I'll grant that the Repubs are playing to the Christian Zionists. Fine. But I still think that if you take AIPAC and the rest of the hardline Jewish portion of the Israel lobby out of the...
Forum: Diavlog comments 12-14-2011, 12:03 PM
Replies: 157
Views: 21,047
Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

Here it is, Israel on the road to apartheid, according to noted anti-Semite Thomas Friedman. Applause for Netanyahu in Congress "bought and paid for by Israel lobby." Republicans outdoing one...
Forum: Diavlog comments 12-09-2011, 08:06 PM
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Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

Thanks for these citations, Stephanie.

I am not someone who has followed Jeffrey Goldberg at all. I am surprised that he has endorsed the kernel of Beinart's video. Beinart's video (according to...
Forum: Diavlog comments 12-02-2011, 05:52 PM
Replies: 157
Views: 21,047
Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

Mead appears to make a crucial point here.



Mead is correct. M&W cannot have it both ways. The military aid is either important or it is not. But I think the answer would be that what is...
Forum: Diavlog comments 12-02-2011, 05:44 PM
Replies: 157
Views: 21,047
Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

I said:


Stephanie replied:


But what I meant was, there is no quotation from the book in the entire review. There is no citation by page number of any of the passages that certain readers...
Forum: Diavlog comments 11-30-2011, 12:15 PM
Replies: 157
Views: 21,047
Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

I corrected the faulty links in my post, TAG, thanks for pointing that out.

And thanks for linking to that lengthy interview with Finkelstein. I found that very interesting and enlightening. I...
Forum: Diavlog comments 11-30-2011, 10:14 AM
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Views: 21,047
Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

I stopped too soon in my reading of Sulllivan's blog. There is another posting from the day following that of my prior citation (September 26 and 27, 2011), in which he seems to accept the...
Forum: Diavlog comments 11-30-2011, 06:40 AM
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Views: 21,047
Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

Did you read Mead's review of the Walt/Mearsheimer book? He says that the book is not anti-Semitic but that its rhetorical style leaves it open to such a charge. And he does nothing in the review...
Forum: Diavlog comments 11-29-2011, 06:11 AM
Replies: 157
Views: 21,047
Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

I said:



Stephanie replied:



Do Walt and Mearsheimer claim that the Israel lobby explains everything about US policy to Israel? As I said before, the question is that of the degree to...
Forum: Diavlog comments 11-29-2011, 05:42 AM
Replies: 157
Views: 21,047
Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

Stephanie said:



Let’s forget the labels. The argument is that if the Palestinian problem were mitigated to some great extent, there would be less anti-Western Islamo-terrorism and there would...
Forum: Diavlog comments 11-28-2011, 07:42 AM
Replies: 157
Views: 21,047
Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

We have to distinguish between what "the US has ever believed" and what some "realists," like Walt/Mearsheimer, think the US ought to believe now. The main point of Walt/Mearsheimer is that US...
Forum: Diavlog comments 11-27-2011, 06:11 PM
Replies: 157
Views: 21,047
Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

Stephanie, if oil is not a compelling US interest in the Middle East, what the hell would be?

I really must disagree that there was anything subtle about Mead on anti-Semitism here. To the...
Forum: Diavlog comments 11-27-2011, 10:11 AM
Replies: 157
Views: 21,047
Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

Yes, I agree with this. So Walt does not qualify, he's not Jewish. David Remnick. He would be a coup for bhtv, and he might well be willing to talk to Mead.

There are so many issues here. ...
Forum: Diavlog comments 11-23-2011, 11:45 PM
Replies: 157
Views: 21,047
Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

So I have read Mead's review now, and I don't have any major problems with it. Mead says that Walt/Mearsheimer could have easily avoided a lot of the charges of anti-Semitism to which they became...
Forum: Diavlog comments 11-23-2011, 10:19 PM
Replies: 157
Views: 21,047
Posted By ledocs
Re: Values Added: The Whirligig of Time (Glenn Loury & Walter Russell Mead)

ohreally said:



I'll have to look at Mead's review of Walt/Mearsheimer in "Foreign Affairs," but it seems to me that Mead's reasoning is seriously flawed.

In the first place,...
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