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Forum: Diavlog comments 07-28-2009, 06:49 PM
Replies: 194
Views: 37,349
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Editorial Haircut Edition (Joshua Cohen & Matt Welch)

To the first responder, I am not saying that the Baha'i system of government is the ideal functional model right now, it's functionality is still in its infant stages. but I do think it presents a...
Forum: Diavlog comments 07-27-2009, 04:58 PM
Replies: 194
Views: 37,349
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Editorial Haircut Edition (Joshua Cohen & Matt Welch)

While it is the most advanced in the world, there are many problems with the U.S. political process. It is time to start thinking about a new model. Here is how Baha'is concieve of politics
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Forum: Diavlog comments 07-27-2009, 12:08 PM
Replies: 36
Views: 11,191
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Percontations: Leibniz's Theodicy

I religion as an evolutionary process of consciousness. As humans, we are progressing towards moral truth, and we can recognize it because we can also recognize degradation, which is ignorance of our...
Forum: Diavlog comments 07-16-2009, 02:38 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 15,470
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: The Evolution of God: Jewish Edition (Robert Wright & Mark Kleiman)

Short commentary on Robert Wright's interpretation of St. Paul's motivations

http://bahaicoherence.blogspot.com/2009/06/st-paul-ceo-of-brand-jesus-and-other.html
Forum: Diavlog comments 07-06-2009, 02:23 AM
Replies: 115
Views: 40,309
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Percontations: Cage Match of God (Robert Wright & John Horgan)

I am surprised Robert Wright has not mentioned anything about the Baha'i Faith. His views seem to be very similar. The main difference appears to be conceptual. Whereas Robert Wright would explain...
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-26-2009, 11:38 PM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

Wow. Has anybody told you that you sound like a sarcastic, condescending, jerk? It is usually people who cannot argue on the merits who resort to character assassination. Do you thrive off of putting...
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-26-2009, 11:00 PM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

If you look at the evolution of species, some are clearly more advanced than others in certain environments. Earthworms are much more advanced within their warm earthen niche. We are more advanced in...
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-26-2009, 06:01 PM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

Yeah, I think this horse is pretty well beat. Thank for for the great discussion, I enjoyed it quite a bit.
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-26-2009, 05:37 PM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

JayJ,

Well, I was just making the point about a cause because of the assumption made by you that a higher "agent" should probably refer to a personal god. I was just arguing that it can refer to a...
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-26-2009, 04:05 PM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

I should have chosen the word "interest" more carefully. I meant that if there is a higher intelligence, then the onset human consciousness would be significant in the grand scheme of things. Not...
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-26-2009, 04:02 PM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-26-2009, 02:39 PM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

But then what is the definition of agency?



Okay, so it is something that produces an effect. Wouldn't that be a cause, wouldn't that be the prime moving (impersonal?) essence of the universe...
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-26-2009, 02:31 PM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

In the grand scheme of things, probably that's true. But even a tomato is pretty amazing, we haven't found an equivelant anywhere else in the universe (yet). But relative to the earth, there is quite...
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-26-2009, 02:10 PM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

JayJ,



that is what I thought we were discussing, but then people interpreted me as advocating for a personal god of some sort. I will be more carefull next time



See, I would disagree....
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-26-2009, 12:12 PM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

JayJ,


Maybe, I don't tend to make such a distinction between a personal God and and impersonal force in the universe. I am hesitant to ascribe any personality to God, because ultimately it is...
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-26-2009, 02:00 AM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

...And I am not referring to some silly anthropomorphic God. Instead I am referring to the idea of cause or purpose to the universe. I don't think science should have to disprove Zeus or the...
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-26-2009, 01:51 AM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

I meant my language is sloppier, not yours. (if that wasn't clear) I think you have laid out a good platform for discussion very eloquently.
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-26-2009, 01:45 AM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

Yes, you have said what I have been trying to say in sloppier language. Can we get past the silly anthropomorphic argument of God? That is not what I have been arguing for.
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-26-2009, 01:39 AM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

First, I have read all the positions against the one I favor. Go ahead, throw anything at me, I have heard it all.

Second,
Athiesm and agnosticism are not the same position. I think somebody...
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-25-2009, 04:56 PM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

Yeah, "who moved the mover", just as equally valid a question as "why is there anything in the first place". That is why I don't see how anybody can be certain either way. that is why I do think it...
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-25-2009, 02:35 PM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

Remind me not to give you my address. But let me rephrase that, it takes MORE faith not to believe in a prime mover than to believe in one. Or did the universe just magically appear?
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-25-2009, 12:45 AM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

I actually wrote a blog piece yesterday on the problem of the word "spirituality"

http://emmanuel9.blogspot.com/2009/06/frustration-materialist-have-with.html

I see your point with the...
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-25-2009, 12:34 AM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

Belief in a god (or gods) = theist
No belief on a god (or gods) = atheist

"An agnostic is someone who says that they do not know whether or not a god exists. If one does not know, one can believe...
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-25-2009, 12:06 AM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

Yeah, again, I use "spiritual" out of convenience. I don't imply anything metaphysical. To me it is like spirited positive virtues. I don't particularly like the word moral in this context though, it...
Forum: Diavlog comments 06-24-2009, 11:20 PM
Replies: 234
Views: 55,359
Posted By emmanuel9
Re: Fingerprints of God (Robert Wright & Barbara Hagerty)

I'm sorry for calling you smug. That wasn't called for. I also shouldn't have called the "science must prove it first" argument "easy". I will be less condescending and more careful in the future.
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