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Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 04-26-2010, 03:09 PM
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Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 03-08-2010, 03:23 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Incivility feels better than being civil

That's a perfect capsule of my feelings. Well said.
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 02-13-2010, 01:09 AM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: More bullying?

Yeah, that's some pretty righteous snark. Worthy, I think, of the master (http://www.vanityfair.com/online/wolcott/2010/02/in-a-desperate-attempt-to.html).
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 02-08-2010, 07:35 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Is civility in the blogosphere overrated?

Fair enough - if I'm overstating your point of view, that's my fault.
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 02-08-2010, 07:22 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Is civility in the blogosphere overrated?

I think we agee about the definition of "to bully." I don't deny its applicability to a proportion of what PZ says. (In fact, part of the deleted portion of the conversation here was me complaining...
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 02-08-2010, 06:42 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Is civility in the blogosphere overrated?

I have to disagree with the use of the term "bullying." I think there's room for environments in which vastly differing norms rule. PZ's obviously making an anology to biological competition, which...
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 02-02-2010, 11:53 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 02-01-2010, 09:32 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Is civility in the blogosphere overrated? (AemJeff & Bobby G)

I think I'd add another kind of competitive arguing - with the goal being defined in terms of the quality of the arguments, with winning arguments functioning as a standard of measurement. That's...
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 01-31-2010, 11:48 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Is civility in the blogosphere overrated? (AemJeff & Bobby G)

Why? Do you imagine that I feel answerable to you? I made a point - your complaints are directed at specific people because you're pissed off at them, or you don't like them - but, you're...
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 01-31-2010, 11:14 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Is civility in the blogosphere overrated? (AemJeff & Bobby G)

You missed the point, which was to illustrate a double standard.
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 01-31-2010, 10:55 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Is civility in the blogosphere overrated? (AemJeff & Bobby G)

Let me remind you of some of 'fur's charming habits - calling people who disagree with him "pukes," for instance. Or obscene rickrolls in lieu of responses to an argument. Not to mention...
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 01-31-2010, 09:09 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Is civility in the blogosphere overrated? (AemJeff & Bobby G)

I think you overstate your case by an order of magnitude. It also seems to me that, in large part, your judgments are based on your personal feelings about the personalities involved. It certainly...
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 01-31-2010, 12:04 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Is civility in the blogosphere overrated? (AemJeff & Bobby G)

Is there anything wrong with that? (Assuming that some sort of civility norm generally remains in force, even if the envelope does get nudged from time to time.)
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 01-29-2010, 06:12 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Is civility in the blogosphere overrated? (AemJeff & Bobby G)

What I can't do is quantify that. My subjective sense of PZ is that most of what he says is completely civil. And I suspect that a fair portion of what you're characterizing as contempt and...
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 01-28-2010, 08:09 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Is civility in the blogosphere overrated? (AemJeff & Bobby G)

Now that I've watched it through, I have to say I wish we'd spent time exploring the definition and the boundaries more carefully, before we started in earnest on the implications; but there's only...
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 01-28-2010, 04:49 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Is civility in the blogosphere overrated? (AemJeff & Bobby G)

I hate to say it, but your first graf here is simply false. There's no objective standard here, and you seem to be applying your own private definitions as if they were writ in stone. It's fair ro...
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 01-28-2010, 04:20 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Is civility in the blogosphere overrated? (AemJeff & Bobby G)

A lot of people would disagree with your judgments in both of those cases. How do you square your characterization ("people who deliberately and repeatedly treat others with contempt/derision and...
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 01-28-2010, 01:27 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Is civility in the blogosphere overrated? (AemJeff & Bobby G)

As I've expressed privately, I have no problem with the entire thing being reposted, so long as everybody else agrees.
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 01-28-2010, 12:41 PM
Replies: 283
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Is civility in the blogosphere overrated? (AemJeff & Bobby G)

I hate to drag this out, because some folks have a disadvantaged position here, since the video has been trimmed. But I didn't think it was about "telling" at all, just a more concrete discussion of...
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 01-28-2010, 12:25 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 01-28-2010, 12:22 PM
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Posted By AemJeff
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 01-28-2010, 11:41 AM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Is civility in the blogosphere overrated? (AemJeff & Bobby G)

It's been cut. I agree that there was nothing particularly alarming about what we said, but the nature of that part of the conversation was private, and none of the people mentioned had been...
Forum: Apollo diavlog comments 01-28-2010, 10:41 AM
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Posted By AemJeff
Re: Is civility in the blogosphere overrated? (AemJeff & Bobby G)

Apologies to Brendan and Bloggin' Noggin. Bobby and I kept talking for a few minutes after we thought we'd quit recording. The last part here was not intended as part of a public discussion, but...
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