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Bloggingheads 12-28-2007 01:22 PM

The Forgotten Carrots Edition
 

Allan 12-28-2007 02:10 PM

NBC
 
Ann, why would anyone ever go to NBC for the news?
I don't even know what channel it is on my TV.

DaveW 12-28-2007 02:53 PM

Re: NBC
 
Ann, you're incorrect. You are watching the Today show on a one hour delay, just as the rest of us in the central time zone are.

I first noticed this a few years ago when you could see it was dark outside in their broadcast when it was already daylight where I am, and with them being on the east coast, that meant, you know....

In any event, that is why they weren't very excited about it during the time you were watching. It hadn't yet happened - or was just happening - when that segment was taped.

garbagecowboy 12-28-2007 03:55 PM

The Major League Baseball Players Association: a union we all should loathe
 
The hypocrisy of Curt Schilling and of all the player's union head honchos (Tom Glavine, glad he's not a Met anymore) in resisting testing and now pointing fingers is unbelievable.

I've heard lots of people make excuses for the players: it was all the owners, the league ("Chicks dig the long ball."), the fans who wanted it, the players simply danced to their or our tune.

I call bullshit, for one.

First of all, and perhaps this is a more philosophical point, baseball is a game of numbers, which has been forever tainted by the players who juiced. In particular it is a game of counting statistics. Perhaps this is a general flaw in the baseball fan for putting such a mystical quality in these numbers, but for me the grandeur of the game had a lot to do with its history, and the way that players across eras can be compared via their counting statistics in relationship to certain well-established milestones. Since my grandfather, the first generation of my family to be born in America, grew up watching the Giants and Yankees in the 1930s, the game had been played more or less the same, with players obtaining more or less the same amounts of hits, home-runs, strikeouts, RBIs, etc, and following a similar career trajectory in how many of those stats could be obtained as the player aged. Those golden proportions of 90 feet between bases and 60 feet 6 inches from the rubber to the plate meant that counting statistics like winning 300 games, getting 3000 hits, or obviously, hitting 714 home runs meant something. What Hank Aaron accomplished was extraordinary: if you look at his career stats he never hit more than 50 home runs in a season and beat the immortal Babe Ruth by being a great, consistent hitter.

Perhaps stimulants give an advantage (although I question to what extent stimulants had been in baseball before, say the 1970s) but there is unquestionably a categorical difference between the use of stimulants to concentrate and the use of anabolic and androgenic steroids to build muscle mass at levels the human body cannot usually obtain. Please take a look at these men and what steroids have done to their bodies and tell me that "there have always been drugs in baseball." Yes, being stronger cannot turn a guy who strikes out all the time into a great hitter, but it can turn a good hitter into the best home-run hitter of all time. Don't believe me? I've got the numbers to prove it.

From a statistical standpoint actually, no, there have not always been drugs in baseball. In addition to our blessed counting statistics, a modern generation of baseball fans have embraced the Bill James gospel which basically amounts to using appropriate rate statistics for evaluating player performance. And in fact, no one has ever done what Barry Bonds did, posting such an unbelievable increase in power after say the age of 25 when he was over 35 years old. His increase in OPS+ from the time when he was 36-40 is literally without precedent in baseball history, and clearly caused by steroids.

The irony is that Bonds was a very talented player, who merely supplemented great plate discipline and a great hitting talent with anabolically stimulated power. The same can be said of Roger Clemens with regard to pitching. Yes, he would not have over 300 wins, likely, and he would not still be throwing the ball 90+ MPH at 44 years of age, but Clemens would have been in the Hall of Fame without using steroids. Bonds would have also been a hall-of-famer (although nowhere near as famous; think maybe Eddie Murray like career stats). However, these guys came in and literally re-wrote what kind of stats it was possible for an aging ball-player to do in the "waning" years of his career.

But not in a good way. Even HGH, which Andy Pettite copped to using, can badly screw up your joints. The other steroids which guys like Clemens, Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Giambi, etc. were all clearly using involve serious long-term risks, such as destroying your joints, liver, shrinking your testicles, growing breasts, messing with your emotions and screwing up your natural production of hormones permanently. This is not shit to fuck around with. Certainly not something that little leaguers who want to make it to the big leagues think they will need to take to be even possibly able to compete with the big guys. The problem here is not only with the fact that my ideal of what a baseball player should be able to do is shattered, it's that there are thousands of high school ballplayers who want to make it to the minor leagues, and thousands of minor leagues who want to make it to the big leagues, who will be pushed to screw up their bodies with this crap. And if you don't think it's out there for anybody, that you need to know some shady clubhouse trainer to get the stuff or learn how to "stack" and "cycle," well, it's out there for anybody to see. Take a look at some of their message boards. "Regular" people are doing it.

And ultimately I think the buck stops with the players. It was McGwire and Sosa who took what Jose Canseco was taking from the bodybuilders and used it to shatter Maris and Ruth's record. It was Bonds who saw the attention McGwire and Sosa got and rushed out to figure out how to do it himself. Each of these players made a decision to enhance their performance with these very dangerous chemicals in a very public fashion. A fashion that, ironically, leaves its fingerprint all over their stat-sheet. Hint: if a guy starts hitting more home runs when he's 40 than he did when he was 30, he's juicing. The players' response has been pathetic; McGwire's simpering, miserable display in front of Congress being only the most public of two equally pathetic strategies: cry and beg for forgiveness, or continue denying as all plausibility of your denial evaporates.

Not to say that there isn't plenty of blame to go around, and that the league must take decisive action. Maybe you get 2 strikes; 1 bad test = 50 game suspension. Your second failed test and you are out of professional baseball for life. The players union, the owners and Selig all need to come to this realization: a league where some of the players are juicing, some are jealous, and everybody is watching is no longer tolerable.

It is true that there is not as yet a reliable urine test for HGH and some other substances; this is a soluble scientific and technical problem, however. Testing must keep pace with the cheaters. The union should offer them no protection.

And finally, Bonds and Clemens and McGwire and Sosa should never be allowed into the Hall of Fame. In my mind, what they did is much worse than what Pete Rose did, because of how many young people will have been induced put this crap in their bodies because of them, how much worse they have tainted the reputations of all the athletes of their era, and what their conduct says about them as sportsmen. For all these reasons they deserve to be remembered as pariahs, not as demi-gods.

Ann Althouse 12-28-2007 04:09 PM

Re: NBC
 
Thanks, Dave. I appreciate the point about Eastern Time and Central Time, however, I'm talking about the part of the show on the hour, when Matt Lauer throws it over to the studio and a newsreader recites the top stories. If this segment is also prerecorded and shown with a time lag, it's going to look embarrassing and unprofessional, as it did. So I'm not letting them off the hook because they save the fluff stories about kids and food and drink and health care to run at a particular time in each time zone.

Moreover, when important enough news happens, regular programming should be suspended, and the news department should step in and show its depth. For the show to continue the way it did, without supervening news coverage of something that is so important to U.S. interests and to the world, is a concession that the network is not serious about news coverage.

And I don't give a damn about "The Today Show." It has not been my practice to try to obtain news that way. I get my news on line. I'm simply describing what I do sometimes when I want to see live video coverage of an important event. I went first to Fox News and CNN and then, for comparison, I checked out the networks and was disgusted with it.

Quite apart from whether they're keeping up with the breaking news "The Today Show" is really bad. I mean, I suppose they're meeting somebody's needs, but I never want to look at that again.

bjkeefe 12-28-2007 04:35 PM

An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
Ever since Steve's debut, I've been looking forward to his return. So much so, in fact, that I broke my longstanding vow to avoid everything to do with Ann Althouse.

Big mistake.

I do not understand why this woman is still invited to appear on BH.tv. Continuing from her earlier diavlogs that I suffered through, she still seems to know nothing about everything. As far as I can tell, her awareness of current events begins and ends with occasionally skimming The New York Times. It is truly amazing that she had no idea how to find out more about the assassination of Benazir Bhutto. Apparently, doing anything on the Web beyond posting to her own blog is beyond her. It even appears that she is stumped by the concept of changing channels on her TV.

It would have been nice to hear someone intelligent enough to talk to Steve about Ron Paul, steroids in baseball, and Hillary Clinton. It would even have been better if only his side of the conversation had been recorded.

ogieogie 12-28-2007 04:44 PM

Re: An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
The Redeemer of the Name of Kaus exudes sanity in such excess that it seemed to me to spill over even to the other side of the screen.

I certainly agree with "waste" but I'd take issue with "complete waste."

Ann Althouse 12-28-2007 04:46 PM

Re: An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
BJ, my comments are about criticizing network news, not confusion about where to find the news. Try listening more carefully. You seem to have a bias against me that's affecting your comprehension.

InJapan 12-28-2007 04:59 PM

Re: An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
Agree with Kaus about the hypocrisy in baseball about "drugs", but he could have gone farther. The frothing media when it comes to this topic is downright silly. Not only are HGH and steroids used commonly to treat ailments, they are key elements in the anti-aging therapies, which no doubt major media stars partake to keep their youthful appearance. The "drugs" = "steriods" equation so often used is nanny-state scare tactics.

Certainly there are risks to, for example, high schoolers who take testosterone but... given alcohol use, narcotics use, and STDs, the steroid abuse (of what otherwise would be a useful medication) seems like pretty small pickings, if what we are seeking is to improve teenager health and safety.

And as for adults... well, by definition an "adult" is one who makes decisions for themselves and lives with the results.

No more nanny-state, please.

InJapan 12-28-2007 05:18 PM

Re: An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
Oh, and on Ron Paul, FYI Ann - the troofers as well as racist nuts *love* Mr. Paul's stances because he plays into their fantasies, whether he actually believes them or not. Mr. Paul has turned out to be quite the attention whore, who stumbled into two groups (those with serious BDS, and white nationalists) that are willing to shower him with money. Paul is what you get when Libertarians turn bad.

threep 12-28-2007 05:25 PM

Re: An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
Dude, stop trying to scrub the world of things you disagree with. It never works, and ends up making people look whiny and pathetic.

gwlaw99 12-28-2007 05:26 PM

"Lost Tens of Thousands of People"
 
Which war is he talking about that we've lost tens of thousands of people? Tens of thousands???

"That's a better positiion than we ought to fight it with a hand tied behind our back and lose tens of thousands of people"

http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/7707?in=00:48:30

basman 12-28-2007 05:46 PM

Re: "Lost Tens of Thousands of People"
 
I dunno. I like Ann Althouse in these diavlogs, which is the only place I ever experience her. She to me is very smart and quirky in a good way that does not undercut her intelligence. I find her sharp and lively about pop culture and I like her both sides of the brain combination of acute analytic intelligence--don't anyone kid themselves, she is very smart--and creative artistic sensibility.

I thought she was bang on and bracingly direct about the ludicrousness of Ron Paul and of those would devote themselves to his cause.

On the other hand, generally, I found this diavlog kind of draggy throughout, no fault of hers.

bjkeefe 12-28-2007 05:49 PM

Re: An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
Ann:

Quote:

BJ, my comments are about criticizing network news, not confusion about where to find the news. Try listening more carefully.
Try speaking more coherently. Succinctness might help, too.

Besides, what makes you think you're delivering a fresh insight about the decline in quality of network news? Do you really think anyone interested and intelligent enough to watch BH.tv hasn't long since figured this out? The age of this phenomenon is measured in decades.

Quote:

You seem to have a bias against me that's affecting your comprehension.
I do have a bias against you, but it's not in the political sense. I am biased against you because you take up space that could be occupied by someone else who might actually give me something to think about. I have never seen you prepared to discuss any substantive topic. Your areas of interest appear to be limited to talking about your blog, talking about yourself, talking about your feelings, talking about your feelings about yourself, and carrying grudges against people who mock you. Oh, and discussing the Clintons entirely within the context of The Dummy's Guide to Freud.

The only thing I fail to comprehend is why Bob keeps asking you back.

breadcrust 12-28-2007 05:50 PM

Stephen Calls For Continued Ban On Flogging; I Disagree.
 
Flogging (caning, etc.) should be used as an alternate punishment for short sentences. Instead of imprisoning new criminals with a bunch of old criminals who carry nasty memes, give newbies the option of corporal punishment. Intense pain tends to focus the mind, it's cheaper than imprisonment, and it might lower recidivism.

This should be tested in some "progressive" state, however. Flogging or caning in kooky, experimental Oregon sounds much better than in Kentucky or S. Carolina or some other state where people like George Allen display their nooses in their offices.

bjkeefe 12-28-2007 06:02 PM

Re: An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
threep:

Quote:

Dude, stop trying to scrub the world of things you disagree with. It never works, and ends up making people look whiny and pathetic.
That's a fair point, and it's advice that I do sometimes follow. On the other hand, I believe that it's worthwhile to voice my unhappiness if it stems from a small part of a larger thing that I like overall. BH.tv is one of my favorite sites on the Web, and I think it's appropriate to register my feedback.

Also, I don't know that I agree that complaining never works. I'm hard-pressed to think of many changes that occur without the unhappy ones speaking up.

breadcrust 12-28-2007 06:08 PM

Re: An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
bjkeefe,

Althouse knows law and it's silly that two lawyers spent the lion's share of a diavlog not talkin' law. But I blame Kaus, too.

I think the alternate blogger for Althouse (if she's not going to talk about law) should be the person who produces this thing: http://sparklepony.blogspot.com/. The twin obsessions with Condi and Ursula make for strong blogging and beat out Althouse's carrot stuff on any day: http://sparklepony.blogspot.com/2007...las-shoes.html

e511 12-28-2007 06:08 PM

Re: Stephen Calls For Continued Ban On Flogging; I Disagree.
 
does anyone else find it weird to see s. kaus (so similar to m. kaus) on the left side of the screen?

garbagecowboy 12-28-2007 06:14 PM

Re: An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
Yes, I was waiting somewhat for the fact that not only does his support come from people who "want the government to get out of the way of their making money" per Kaus but also, possibly to a larger extent, from complete nut-jobs who think that 9/11 was an inside job.

I mean, he's a bit too libertarian even for my tastes, but Jeepers H. Christmas, if you judge somebody by the company they keep, then yikes.

I do look forward to seeing the Ron Paul blimp, though.

garbagecowboy 12-28-2007 06:17 PM

Re: An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
I'm going to bookmark this thread for the next time you call me a whiner.

skaus 12-28-2007 06:17 PM

Re: "Lost Tens of Thousands of People"
 
You are right, it is only 3900 U.S. military deaths. I am not sure what I was thinking about.

Obviously the total deaths are above 50,000, but that is not what I said.

threep 12-28-2007 06:18 PM

Re: An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
See, I wasn't going to say anything (because that's how I roll) but this wasn't an entry of intense substance, period. It was two genial intelligent people talking about the politics of the day, not as insiders or specialists or professional pundits, but observers. To single Althouse out when Kaus wasn't exactly being let down belies the fact that your complaints don't exactly rest purely on their merits... Really I just spoke up because this has become a thing with you, heh.

uncle ebeneezer 12-28-2007 06:29 PM

Re: The Major League Baseball Players Association: a union we all should loathe
 
I agree with InJapan. Form a kid's health standpoint, we have much bigger fish to fry (diabetes, obesity, heart disease, alcoholism etc.) Unfortunately our culture routinely praises those who do that little extra to get ahead (kids taking ridalin to study, people taking beta blockers for nerves, women getting implants for more/better roles in movies, porn stars taking viagra etc.) With the kinds of incentives that are involved in sports, I'm never surprised that guys are willing to cheat.

Still pisses me off though, as an athlete. There was this team of Samoans in my co-ed softball league that CLEARLY belonged in a higher league. The chicks were hitting the ball well over my head in left field, and I'm quite fast and was playing WAY back. It was just ridiculous. My team was forever condemned to 2nd place because we could never beat them. They even got caught using an illegal bat. Don't get me started... Fortunately the incentives in my sports aren't anywhere near the level of pros, or I'm sure roids would be rampant.

I thought Ann was fine in this diavlog. Steve Kaus rocks. I'd love to see him spar with byron York, Jim Pinkerton etc. Sparks would fly for sure.

Does anyone else think that maybe Mickey does the whole Dem-hating just to be contrarian to his brother?

Brendan, your level of stress at AA appearances always astonishes me. She certainly gets under your skin. But to each his own. By the way did you see that you've been drafted for service (see my comment on the last Rosa vlog)?

All in all, a good diavlog. Have Steve back, and Ann too.

bjkeefe 12-28-2007 07:07 PM

Re: An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
GC:

Quote:

I'm going to bookmark this thread for the next time you call me a whiner.
Sheesh. When was the last time I did that? You hold grudges longer than the carrot lady.

bjkeefe 12-28-2007 07:39 PM

Re: An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
threep:

Quote:

... this wasn't an entry of intense substance, period. It was two genial intelligent people talking about the politics of the day, not as insiders or specialists or professional pundits, but observers.
Sorry, but I expect more from BH.tv, and it usually delivers. If I wanted idle chit-chat, I'd get cable TV.

I also reject 50% of your assertion of concerning intelligence. In his one previous appearance, Steve seemed to have a lot to say. In all of her previous appearances, I've not heard anything to support attributing this quality to Ann.

Quote:

To single Althouse out when Kaus wasn't exactly being let down ...
I don't know what you mean by "Kaus wasn't exactly being let down."

Quote:

Really I just spoke up because this has become a thing with you, heh.
I dispute that. I haven't said word one about AA in months. I stopped watching her about two or three diavlogs after the meltdown with Garance, which, I see by looking at the archives, means she's had about ten more gigs since with nary a peep from me. If the old forums ever come back, you can verify this. (Wait, what's this?)

I really did want to hear Steve Kaus again, which meant having to give AA another chance. Maybe that was a poor gamble on my part, but having rolled the dice and had snake eyes come up again, I decided to let off a little steam.

What can I say? We all have our pet peeves. One of mine is giving airtime to airheads. Or bandwidth to bozos, as the case may be.

bjkeefe 12-28-2007 07:44 PM

Re: An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
breadcrust:

Quote:

Althouse knows law ...
I don't remember seeing any evidence of this on BH.tv. I've heard her say that she's a law professor and that Con Law is her specialty, but that's about it.

Quote:

... and it's silly that two lawyers spent the lion's share of a diavlog not talkin' law.
Yes. I like it when the diavloggers bring a perspective from their areas of expertise.

Quote:

But I blame Kaus, too.
It seemed to me that he tried to get her to bring in the legal point of view during the baseball conversation, but she declined. Instead, we got "I'm interested in pop culture;" a demonstrated lack of awareness of the history of baseball, especially the drug issue; and blatherings about what "people want to watch" and "something's wrong with American taste" shallow enough to make daytime TV talk shows seem Socratic by comparison.

Quote:

I think the alternate blogger for Althouse ...
Sorry. I can't bear to contemplate any more appearances. That SparklePony site did look pretty funny, though.

TwinSwords 12-28-2007 08:03 PM

Re: "Lost Tens of Thousands of People"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by basman (Post 67516)
I thought she was bang on and bracingly direct about the ludicrousness of Ron Paul and of those would devote themselves to his cause.

Agreed. She treated Ron Paul and his mindless followers with precisely the right tone and degree of seriousness. I think I'm going to rewatch that part so I can learn to project the same kind of contempt for those silly, silly people (Paul fans).

The ones who amuse me the most are the ones who reverently refer to him as "Dr. Paul."

bjkeefe 12-28-2007 08:03 PM

Re: The Major League Baseball Players Association: a union we all should loathe
 
Uncle Eb:

Quote:

Brendan, your level of stress at AA appearances always astonishes me. She certainly gets under your skin.
True dat. But don't worry, I'm as quick to cool down as I am to blow up. I'll stop yammering about AA in an hour or two.

Quote:

But to each his own.
Yep. I grant that other people might (man, this hurts to type) actually like AA. It's hard to believe, but then some people also like watching "reality TV," listening to George Bush, shooting caged birds, visiting Disneyworld, and eating cottage cheese.

Quote:

By the way did you see that you've been drafted for service (see my comment on the last Rosa vlog)?
You mean where I play a supportive role in your new government? If so, I accept. I believe I would be best suited for the position of Minister of Taste.

Your platform seems a little wishy-washy, but we can work on that.

;^)

bjkeefe 12-28-2007 08:19 PM

Re: "Lost Tens of Thousands of People"
 
basman:

Quote:

I dunno. I like Ann Althouse in these diavlogs ...
Yeah, but then again, you're also a fan of torture.

bjkeefe 12-28-2007 08:25 PM

Re: An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
GC:

Quote:

I mean, [Ron Paul]'s a bit too libertarian even for my tastes, but Jeepers H. Christmas, if you judge somebody by the company they keep, then yikes.
You don't need to, to judge him. Watch him on "Meet The Press," and be very very glad that he's still polling in the single digits.

garbagecowboy 12-28-2007 08:54 PM

Re: "Lost Tens of Thousands of People"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TwinSwords (Post 67540)
The ones who amuse me the most are the ones who reverently refer to him as "Dr. Paul."


But... but...don't you know that Dr. Paul has delivered like... 500,000 babies?

bjkeefe 12-28-2007 09:53 PM

Boo hoo
 
Screen grab from guess where:

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Pity party aside, they're mostly talking about carrots. I kid you not.

(She likes links. I heard her say.)

human 12-28-2007 10:41 PM

Re: The Forgotten Carrots Edition
 
Concerning Ron Paul's wacky ideas, Ann Althouse is worried that he would remove the U.S. from it "leadership role" in the world. And how are we leading? By spending more on "defense" than the rest of the world combined? By having a military presence in over a hundred foreign countries? Frankly, I'm ashamed of the present nature of our "leadership".

Globalcop 12-29-2007 01:18 AM

Re: The Forgotten Carrots Edition
 
As someone who disagrees with BJKeefe on pretty much everything, I can say Ann Althouse has brought us together on at least one thing: Please no more Ann Althouse.

DenvilleSteve 12-29-2007 11:14 AM

Re: The Forgotten Carrots Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by human (Post 67553)
Concerning Ron Paul's wacky ideas, Ann Althouse is worried that he would remove the U.S. from it "leadership role" in the world. And how are we leading? By spending more on "defense" than the rest of the world combined? By having a military presence in over a hundred foreign countries? Frankly, I'm ashamed of the present nature of our "leadership".

How else can the spread of nuclear weapons be stopped? International force is needed to prevent the gangsters and crazy Islamists from killing leaders of democratic movements and governments. I am proud of red state Americans who have put their lives on the line to protect the world from tyranny and destruction.

-Steve

rcocean 12-29-2007 11:20 AM

Re: An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
Many here seem to be suffering from ADS - Althouse Derangement Syndrome. My, the BHTV Lefties never forgive or Forget, and they seem to be a little sexist too.

I enjoyed these two, neither is a ranting politico and both were reasonable (except when Little Kaus called Scalia and Roberts 'extremists' just like Paul) and made interesting points. However, unlike Althouse who can carry the conversation with anyone, Kaus minor is better as a listener/counter-puncher and needs to be paired with someone who can shoulder the conversational load.

ogieogie 12-29-2007 03:18 PM

Re: An Complete Waste of Steve Kaus's Appearance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rcocean (Post 67567)
...Little Kaus...
...Kaus minor...

If I'm not mistaken, Steve would be Big Kaus, i.e. Kaus maior.
Kaus the Elder, that is.

David_PA 12-29-2007 06:53 PM

A good one
 
Hmm ... read the posts before watching the diavlog and almost didn't watch it, they were so negative. I was pleasantly surprised. This is clearly among the better diavlogs. The rapport was good, there was a good amount of depth, no grandstanding, no demagoguing, no polemics, no unfounded ranting - and we got a decent amount of insight. Furthermore, the tone was pleasant - insight without fireworks and skewering, a nice change of pace from the sometimes-too-frequent jousting and off-target riposting. Or, put another way, more light and less heat. But ... no addrennies if you were needing a fix.

I'm inclined to agree with rcocean whose post above gives a possible reason for the negativity - that the BHtv regulars are a little sexist. Ann held up her side as well as Stephen. I'd be happy to watch them vlog again.

The only negative for me was that they could have gone a little deeper here and there, and challenged each other a little more. But, neither of these deficiencies is anywhere close to killing and I'd expect that if they were paired up more regularly this would happen naturally.

bjkeefe 12-29-2007 07:20 PM

Re: A good one
 
David_PA:

Quote:

I'm inclined to agree with one of the commenters above who gives a possible reason for the negativity - that the BHtv regulars are a little sexist.
Nah. Among my favorites on this site are Rosa Brooks, Heather Hurlbert, and Jackie Shire. I'm happy to listen to anyone of substance.

Playing the sexism card is the sort of thing I'd expect from Althouse.

David_PA 12-29-2007 07:30 PM

Re: A good one
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 67592)
David_PA:



Nah. Among my favorites on this site are Rosa Brooks, Heather Hurlbert, and Jackie Shire. I'm happy to listen to anyone of substance.

Playing the sexism card is the sort of thing I'd expect from Althouse.

Whew boy, speaking of ripostes ...

I think you missed my point, Brendan. The vlogs don't all have to be Rosa-like analyses. Sometimes - fairly often in fact - what passes for depth coming from Robert Wright or Rosa is just intellectual posturing - the long-winded way to say something that can be expressed more simply and clearly. I definitely like Robert and Rosa, but I enjoy a change of pace too.

Althouse was fine and substantial enough. Now, if you were to make the weak-on-substance comment about Charlotte Hays, I'd certainly agree with you on that.

My main point though was that the vlog chemistry was good and the discussion was substantial, even sans fireworks.


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