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bjkeefe 01-21-2011 04:15 PM

Re: Spreading Santorum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by operative (Post 195545)
You're making fun of children crying.

The only crying child I am making fun of is you.

Wonderment 01-21-2011 04:16 PM

Re: Spreading Santorum
 
Obama should just take a two-year siesta and watch all these blabber-mouth attention-hos put themselves out of presidential business.

Arguably, you can win the Republican nomination for president just by being the guy in the room not to raise his hand when a journalist asks, "How many of you don't believe in evolution?" (I exaggerate, but it's so much fun to watch the political self-immolation.)

bjkeefe 01-21-2011 04:26 PM

Re: Spreading Santorum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonderment (Post 195563)
Obama should just take a two-year siesta and watch all these blabber-mouth attention-hos put themselves out of presidential business.

It would be nice to be able to have that much confidence in the populace, and the media, to second that suggestion. I do not have that much confidence. If he lets wingnuts make ludicrous assertions about him without pushing back, the winguts will trick some low-information voters into thinking they're not full of shit, and the media will compound that problem by running an endless series of circle jerks on themes like "Why Won't Obama Deny These Accusations? Could There Be Something To Them?"

Quote:

Arguably, you can win the Republican nomination for president just by being the guy in the room not to raise his hand when a journalist asks, "How many of you don't believe in evolution?" (I exaggerate, but it's so much fun to watch the political self-immolation.)
Yes, there is entertainment to be had, I won't deny that.

operative 01-21-2011 04:34 PM

Re: Spreading Santorum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 195562)
The only crying child I am making fun of is you.

Nice try backing away from making fun of crying children.

Ocean 01-21-2011 10:29 PM

Re: Spreading Santorum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by operative (Post 195573)
Nice try backing away from making fun of crying children.

I just couldn't resist the opportunity.

JonIrenicus 01-22-2011 12:15 AM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
If no liberals voted in the poll, the % going for Sarah Palin would be 0%

bjkeefe 01-22-2011 02:11 AM

Chris Christie Triggers Friday Freakout ...
 
... among wingnuts.

Quote:

What’s Next, Saying It’s No Big Deal To Build A Community Center on Sacred Burlington Coat Factory Ground?
[ 12 ] January 21, 2011 | Scott Lemieux

Various winger blogs – including Time’s 2004 Blog of the Year — attack Chris Christie for appointing a Muslim to the state courts. I wish this was satire.
That quoted link leads to this:

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Chris Christie Joins The Stealth Jihad.
... which leads to this:

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Christie Attacked By Right-Wing Bloggers For Appointing Muslim Judge: ‘He’s In Bed With The Enemy’
The latter two have a sampling of the hysteria.

And there's more where that came from. K-Mart Coulter leads the pack at the moment, probably because she has funny pictures!

bjkeefe 01-22-2011 02:49 AM

It's a Romney-Rubio Race
 
To see who can get away from the teabaggers faster.

Romney, you may say, no surprise there. But let's not forget that Rubio shouldn't be a surprise, either.

(h/t, h/t)

Don Zeko 01-22-2011 03:29 AM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JonIrenicus (Post 195648)
If no liberals voted in the poll, the % going for Sarah Palin would be 0%

Maybe. And again, I'm not sure if liberals should hope that she gets the nomination or not. I mean, if we're just trying to maximize Barack Obama's odds of reelection she, or maybe Haley Barbour or Newt Gingrich, seem like the obvious choices. But again, it's never a sure thing that even a candidate as horrible as Sarah Palin will lose. And I'd much rather deal with a President Romney than a President Palin.

PS: potentially amusing party game: who should Sarah Palin pick as her running mate if she wins? Is Michelle Bachmann just too obvious?

AemJeff 01-22-2011 09:49 AM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Zeko (Post 195655)
Maybe. And again, I'm not sure if liberals should hope that she gets the nomination or not. I mean, if we're just trying to maximize Barack Obama's odds of reelection she, or maybe Haley Barbour or Newt Gingrich, seem like the obvious choices. But again, it's never a sure thing that even a candidate as horrible as Sarah Palin will lose. And I'd much rather deal with a President Romney than a President Palin.

PS: potentially amusing party game: who should Sarah Palin pick as her running mate if she wins? Is Michelle Bachmann just too obvious?

Obviously she'd have to pick Dick Cheney!

Don Zeko 01-22-2011 10:05 AM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
That's ridiculous. Nobody picks Dick Cheney as a running mate, Dick Cheney picks himself.

kezboard 01-22-2011 10:07 AM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Could she? Even hypothetically? Is someone allowed to be elected VP multiple times?

AemJeff 01-22-2011 10:13 AM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kezboard (Post 195662)
Could she? Even hypothetically? Is someone allowed to be elected VP multiple times?

Per Wikipedia:
Quote:


Under the Twenty-second Amendment, the President of the United States may not be elected to more than two terms. However, there is no similar such limitation as to how many times one can be elected Vice President. Scholars dispute whether a former President barred from election to the Presidency is also ineligible to be elected Vice President, as suggested by the Twelfth Amendment. The issue has never been tested in practice.
That refers to election, however. There's no guidance for limitations on Cheneyesque self-appointment.

bjkeefe 01-22-2011 01:07 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Zeko (Post 195661)
That's ridiculous. Nobody picks Dick Cheney as a running mate, Dick Cheney picks himself.

LOL!

Dick Cheney is the new Chuck Norris.

(?)

bjkeefe 01-22-2011 01:15 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kezboard (Post 195662)
Could she? Even hypothetically? Is someone allowed to be elected VP multiple times?

It seems to me there's no reason why not. Basically, I would think, it would come down to whether that person was eligible to be President (see Jeff's post), in case there was a need for the VP to assume the office of President. Someone who had been VP before had obviously met all of the other Constitutional criteria for eligibility, and if he or she hadn't gone into the top job via succession, he or she would not have used up any time concerning the term limit restriction.

Ocean 01-22-2011 01:28 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 195673)
It seems to me there's no reason why not. Basically, I would think, it would come down to whether that person was eligible to be President (see Jeff's post), in case there was a need for the VP to assume the office of President. Someone who had been VP before had obviously met all of the other Constitutional criteria for eligibility, and if he or she hadn't gone into the top job via succession, he or she would not have used up any time concerning the term limit restriction.

Why are you all trying to ruin my digestion with bad jokes? ;)

bjkeefe 01-22-2011 02:32 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ocean (Post 195678)
Why are you all trying to ruin my digestion with bad jokes? ;)

Not to worry. If Palin picks Cheney, Obama just starts the investigations into the Cheynsters's previous time in office. Something about high crimes and misdemeanors comes to mind. Also, bribery of foreign governments. Problem solved.

operative 01-22-2011 04:02 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Zeko (Post 195655)
Maybe. And again, I'm not sure if liberals should hope that she gets the nomination or not. I mean, if we're just trying to maximize Barack Obama's odds of reelection she, or maybe Haley Barbour or Newt Gingrich, seem like the obvious choices. But again, it's never a sure thing that even a candidate as horrible as Sarah Palin will lose. And I'd much rather deal with a President Romney than a President Palin.

PS: potentially amusing party game: who should Sarah Palin pick as her running mate if she wins? Is Michelle Bachmann just too obvious?

Palin would make a slightly stronger general election candidate than Barbour (due mainly to his watermelon joke). But that's just because no one, with the possible exception of John Bolton, would make as bad a nominee as the self-described fat redneck. Herman Cain would actually be a better general election candidate than either of them.

But neither will sniff the nomination, so it doesn't matter.

operative 01-22-2011 04:03 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 195680)
Not to worry. If Palin picks Cheney, Obama just starts the investigations into the Cheynsters's previous time in office. Something about high crimes and misdemeanors comes to mind. Also, bribery of foreign governments. Problem solved.

BJ Conspiracy Corner Post of the Day.

Ocean 01-22-2011 04:32 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 195680)
Not to worry. If Palin picks Cheney, Obama just starts the investigations into the Cheynsters's previous time in office. Something about high crimes and misdemeanors comes to mind. Also, bribery of foreign governments. Problem solved.

Thanks, I'm happier now. :)

Ocean 01-22-2011 04:34 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by operative (Post 195688)
BJ Conspiracy Corner Post of the Day.

No. He was just being a nice and supportive friend.

kezboard 01-22-2011 05:18 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Is using "that" twice in a row a new grammatical trend?
No, it's perfectly normal English. The first "that" and the second "that" have different meanings. The first is a conjunction, the second is a pronoun. There are many words in English that can be different parts of speech -- "have", "do", "be", etc.

I had to spend almost an entire lesson once on the word "there", since in Czech, my students' native language, you express the idea "There's a tree there" essentially by saying "Is tree there" (Slavic languages don't have articles, unfortunately for my students as well as me, since they're very hard to learn to use correctly as well as very boring to teach), and although my students had learned the phrases "there is" and "there are", they tended to assume that the word "there", as in "there is", also contained the meaning "there", as in "it's over there".

kezboard 01-22-2011 05:19 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Gingrich is my number 2 pick. Both he and Barbour are 100% unelectable, but he's somehow more loathsome and also less funny, so he loses. Palin is probably just as unelectable as they are, but honestly, I'm tired of her and I don't want to see her around anymore. Santorum is equally unelectable, but also no fun. Christie is fun, but I doubt he runs.

Jindal is probably ahead of all of these guys by leaps and bounds, if the Republicans are right and his SOTU response isn't representative of his speech-giving abilities. That speech did suck though. A lot.

kezboard 01-22-2011 05:24 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
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But that's just because no one, with the possible exception of John Bolton, would make as bad a nominee as the self-described fat redneck.
Oh man, I forgot about Bolton! The only thing worse than being a short or fat presidential candidate is being a mustachioed one.

Ocean 01-22-2011 05:31 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kezboard (Post 195704)
Oh man, I forgot about Bolton! The only thing worse than being a short or fat presidential candidate is being a mustachioed one.

Here's your perfect Republican candidate entering the debate floor.

bjkeefe 01-22-2011 06:42 PM

Willard the Winnah
 
Excitingly, Willard "Mitt" Romney won a straw poll! This news was quickly reblogged by a blog in serious need of a name change.

Quote:

Quote:

DERRY, N.H. – Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney won the first presidential straw poll of the 2012 cycle, kicking off New Hampshire’s first-in-the-nation primary election race.

Romney won with 35 percent, beating second-place finisher Ron Paul by 24 points in the WMUR-ABC News straw poll of members of the state Republican Party. In third place was former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, who won 8 percent—just one point ahead of Sarah Palin, who drew 7 percent.

[...]

Only three candidates—Romney, Pawlenty and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum—have spent significant amounts of time on the ground in the state over the past few months. At today’s convention, Pawlenty staffed a table to promote his new book while Santorum consultant and longtime New Hampshire operative Mike Biundo had a table and worked the crowd.

Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann won 5 percent, pizza mogul Herman Cain took 4 percent, and Santorum won 3 percent—tied with New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, Indiana Rep. Mike Pence and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee

The poll is a strong showing Romney, who drew 39 percent support in a Jan. 7 NH Journal poll of likely New Hampshire voters. But noteworthy is how far ahead he is of Pawlenty and Santorum, the other two candidates who have spent significant time in the state in the past year.

Continuing from the original source, the GOP's press release regurgitator:

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Losing to even Donald Trump, who took 1 percent of the vote: South Dakota Sen. John Thune and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, who both received no votes.
And how's this for an example of Dammit, We've Got A Narrative And We're Sticking To It?

Quote:

Still, the straw poll’s collection of tea party candidates collectively finished far ahead of Beltway favorites like Daniels, Huntsman and Thune. Taken together, Paul, Palin, Bachmann, DeMint and Cain represented 31 percent of votes cast in the straw poll.
The gloves have come off!?

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/408...ishandscle.jpg

bjkeefe 01-23-2011 04:12 AM

Sooooo many ways to interpret this
 
From Right Wing Watch:

Quote:

Brody: “Pence Could Become the ‘Madonna’ of 2012”

After Congressman Mike Pence (R-IN) said he would decide on his election plans by the end of January, the movement to recruit him into the presidential race has moved into high gear. The recently-formed American President Committee launched a “Draft Pence” campaign and a group of Republican legislators from the critical primary state of South Carolina have organized a similar effort to lure the Indiana Congressman into a presidential run. Pence, who won the Family Research Council’s Values Voter Summit straw poll, has recently been spearheading anti-choice legislation and trashing President Obama. David Brody of the Christian Broadcasting Network believes that Pence’s energetic support from both the Religious Right and pro-corporate conservatives may turn him “into the ‘Madonna’ of 2012” and predicts that “Evangelicals who don’t know about him may soon fall in love.”
But was Madonna ever big in New Hampshire?

bjkeefe 01-23-2011 06:14 PM

Michele Bachmann impresses several people in Iowa
 
All your base are belong to her.

handle 01-23-2011 07:24 PM

They ain't got no body....
 
How do I know? One wingnut forefather wants to get the shoe-in DNC guy to defect:

You're not gonna believe this.

Can't say I blame him, but they might want to take back the "sounds a lot like socialism" and "pals around with terrorists" bullshit first.

operative 01-23-2011 07:44 PM

Re: They ain't got no body....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by handle (Post 195832)
How do I know? One wingnut forefather wants to get the shoe-in DNC guy to defect:

You're not gonna believe this.

Can't say I blame him, but they might want to take back the "sounds a lot like socialism" and "pals around with terrorists" bullshit first.

Someone missed the point of Stein's remarks.

bjkeefe 01-23-2011 10:22 PM

Re: They ain't got no body....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by handle (Post 195832)
How do I know? One wingnut forefather wants to get the shoe-in DNC guy to defect:

You're not gonna believe this.

Can't say I blame him, but they might want to take back the "sounds a lot like socialism" and "pals around with terrorists" bullshit first.

Y'know, as much as I write this off as a desperate bid for attention by Stein, imagine the potential for unifying the country.

Plus, huge bonus for the chattering classes: And then Hillary could run against him again!!!1!

bjkeefe 01-24-2011 01:24 AM

Willard scrubs
 
Or, a prude-nt act?

handle 01-24-2011 02:56 PM

Re: They ain't got no body....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by operative (Post 195835)
Someone missed the point of Stein's remarks.

It's okay.. don't beat yourself up.

handle 01-24-2011 02:59 PM

Re: They ain't got no body....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 195843)
Y'know, as much as I write this off as a desperate bid for attention by Stein, imagine the potential for unifying the country.

Plus, huge bonus for the chattering classes: And then Hillary could run against him again!!!1!

I'm gonna queue up now to be the first town hall screamer, against the repeal. ;)

bjkeefe 01-24-2011 05:37 PM

The all-important Pence-Daniels faceoff
 
Analysis from our man in Indiana.

bjkeefe 01-24-2011 05:47 PM

Re: Willard the Winnah
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 195717)
Excitingly, Willard "Mitt" Romney won a straw poll! [...]

Roger Ailes's take:

Quote:

A straw poll of Republican Party bigwigs and muckety-mucks in the Granite State shows that Willard Romney has bought 35 percent of them.

A full 11 percent support former racist newsletter publisher and lunatic Ron Paul. Eight percent support future punchline Tim Pawlenty, and seven percent support GOPtomom/circus freak Sarah Palin. Newt Gingrich is circling the drain with Mike Huckabee and Mitch Daniels at three percent.

Conditions have never looked so favorable for Fred Thompson.
[Added] From the comments under that post:

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marc sobel It occurred to me today that Palin is half a Sherman. If nominated she would run but if elected she would not serve.
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DocAmazing This is excellent news for John McCain!

Don Zeko 01-24-2011 05:56 PM

Re: The all-important Pence-Daniels faceoff
 
I continue to find the Mike Pence for President bubble completely mystifying.

bjkeefe 01-26-2011 02:28 AM

Your next president's grasp of history is so weak ...
 
... she can't even keep her own lies straight:

Quote:

"I never took this as a State of the Union response, necessarily," she said innocently. The title above the text of her speech her office released Tuesday night: "Bachmann's Response to State of the Union."
Discovered via this.

kezboard 01-27-2011 01:20 PM

From the Obvious Department
 
Haley Barbour is seriously considering running for president. Run Haley, run! On the other hand...

Quote:

"I'm seriously thinking about running for president but won't make a decision until April,” Barbour said, according to the Spartanburg Herald-Journal. "I've got to get my budget done in Mississippi. I'm going to complete my obligations to the people of Mississippi before I run for anything else.
Does that mean he's being a dead fish and going with the flow?

popcorn_karate 01-27-2011 06:04 PM

Re: From the Obvious Department
 
i think its an express refudiation of Palin the 1/2 term.


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