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bjkeefe 01-13-2011 04:45 PM

Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Because it's never too early to start horserace coverage, amirite? So we will have a straw poll of the highly influential Bhtv commentariat, and also use this thread for relevant news and gossip.

Sadly, vBulletin only allows a maximum of ten options in their polls, so I picked the nine that seemed to be getting the most buzz that I've seen. Following is a more extensive list of those mentioned (here, here, and/or here) as candidates to be the 2012 GOP nominee. A leading asterisk means that person was in this thread's poll; a trailing -FFC means that person is among those invited by the Faith and Freedom Coalition to participate in a forum in Iowa on 7 March 2011.

Joe Arpaio
Michele Bachmann
* Haley Barbour -FFC
John Bolton
Scott Brown
Jeb Bush
Herman Cain
John Cornyn
* Chris Christie
* Mitch Daniels -FFC
Jim DeMint
* Newt Gingrich -FFC
Rudy Giuliani
Lindsey Graham
Judd Gregg
* Mike Huckabee -FFC
Jon Huntsman
* Bobby Jindal
Gary Johnson
Fred Karger
Bob McDonnell
* Sarah Palin -FFC
George Pataki
Ron Paul -FFC
* Tim Pawlenty -FFC
Mike Pence -FFC
David Petraeus
Buddy Roemer
* Mitt Romney -FFC
Marco Rubio
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum -FFC
John Thune -FFC
Donald Trump

bjkeefe 01-13-2011 04:49 PM

You know, Tim Pawlenty, there's pandering and then there's just going too far
 
Whenever you hear the name Tim Pawlenty from now on, never forget.

Going on the radio show run by that crazed, hate-filled loon Bryan Fischer, unless you're going on to tell him he's a crazed, hate-filled loon, ought to be grounds for automatic disqualification.

[Added] More here. If you've ever thought Pawlenty might be kind of a moderate -- because, hey, Minnesota-nice -- rid yourself of that misapprehension.

chiwhisoxx 01-13-2011 05:16 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Somehow the wildly condescending thread title makes me less inclined to respond >.>

bjkeefe 01-13-2011 05:25 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chiwhisoxx (Post 194570)
Somehow the wildly condescending thread title makes me less inclined to respond >.>

Success!

chiwhisoxx 01-13-2011 05:27 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 194573)
Success!

Congratulations

operative 01-13-2011 05:49 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
In terms of who I'd like to be president,
Daniels
Huntsman
Jindal
Christie

In terms of who I think would make the strongest challenger to Obama:
Thune
Daniels
Huntsman
Jindal
Christie

Of course, if Jindal gets the nomination, it won't be long until BJ engages in anti-Indian bigoted remarks.

Oh and the five most likely nominees:
Romney
Huckabee
Thune
Pawlenty
Daniels

bjkeefe 01-13-2011 11:29 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by operative (Post 194578)
Of course, if Jindal gets the nomination, it won't be long until BJ engages in anti-Indian bigoted remarks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by operative (Post 194115)
Are you just trying to bait me tonight?

.

bjkeefe 01-14-2011 02:43 AM

Incoming! Nerfballs!
 
Quote:

Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey suggested on Wednesday — in an interview with The New York Times — that if Ms. Palin ever wanted to be president, she needed to open herself to potentially combative question-and-answer sessions.
Therefore, she will go onto Sean Hannity's show.

(h/t: @tbogg)

bjkeefe 01-15-2011 12:23 AM

Fiscal Responsibimility in the Garden State
 
Newell reports:

Quote:

Silly Chris Christie. The New Jersey governor's latest rant about the state government going "bankrupt" yesterday rattled financial markets and forced the state to cut its new bond offering by half. Governor Sandwiches will be eating crow, now.
High fives all around!

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9928/...vianewell2.jpg

(Or maybe someone said, "Governor, how many burgers do you want for lunch today?")

chiwhisoxx 01-15-2011 01:59 AM

Re: Fiscal Responsibimility in the Garden State
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 194780)
Newell reports:



High fives all around!

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9928/...vianewell2.jpg

(Or maybe someone said, "Governor, how many burgers do you want for lunch today?")

What's the difference between a gay rodeo and a straight rodeo?
At a straight rodeo everyone yells, "Ride that sucker"

bjkeefe 01-16-2011 09:51 PM

So, tell us about Mike Pence
 
Our man in Indiana: "You Asked For It!"

[Added] Still only $4 on CafePress!

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5...rpreznit08.jpg
He has a time machine! He will
go back and kill Obamacare
before it is born!

operative 01-16-2011 11:18 PM

Re: So, tell us about Mike Pence
 
Another thread for BJ to post stupid, worthless attacks on Republicans. Why don't you do us all a favor and limit your vitriol to one thread?

kezboard 01-17-2011 12:08 AM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
I voted for Haley Barbour, as the nominee easiest to beat. (Yes, easier to beat even than Palin.) The most formidable candidates for Obama would be the Midwestern who-the-hell-are-they guys. But I would bet that the Republicans are going to do what the Democrats did in 2004 -- go for the competent, rich bore from Massachusetts.

Wonderment 01-17-2011 01:07 AM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

I voted for Haley Barbour, as the nominee easiest to beat.
I vote for Barbour, Christie, Gingrich, Jindal and Palin on those grounds. Only Christie has the self-awareness to understand that he is unelectable 2012; the others are deluded enough to think they have a chance.

The problem for the Repubs. is nominating a centrist who will not alienate the Tea Party base. I agree they'll probably go with Romney, although we're still way too early in the process to bet the farm.

Deep down Repubs. may understand that they really have little chance of winning in 2012 and should probably run a patsy next year and start thinking about their younger star players for 2016. At the moment I think Obama is sitting pretty for re-election.

bjkeefe 01-17-2011 03:28 AM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonderment (Post 194953)
[...]

Deep down Repubs. may understand that they really have little chance of winning in 2012 and should probably run a patsy next year and start thinking about their younger star players for 2016. At the moment I think Obama is sitting pretty for re-election.

Looks like there's some fairly new survey data to support your thinking:

Quote:

Poll: Obama rebounding, would beat GOP rivals, crush Palin

By Steven Thomma | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama has bounced back from his low point after November's elections and enjoys stronger support heading into the 2012 election cycle, particularly against Sarah Palin, according to a McClatchy-Marist poll released Thursday.

Obama's fortunes appear to be rising along with the country's. The poll found a jump in the number of people who think the country's heading in the right direction. Also, the president probably benefited from the productive post-election session of Congress.

"Obama's standing on far firmer footing," said Lee Miringoff, the director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion at Marist College in New York, which conducted the national survey. "It puts a different hue on the 2012 elections."

The president's rating improved on several fronts, including job approval, how many like him personally and whether they think he'll do better in the next two years. His strengthening appeal was most noticeable in how he matches up against three potential Republican rivals.

Today Obama would beat Republican Mitt Romney by 51 to 38 percent, the poll showed. In a December McClatchy-Marist poll, he trailed the former Massachusetts governor by 46-44 percent.

Obama would defeat Republican Mike Huckabee by a similar margin, 50-38 percent. In December, the president led the former Arkansas governor by only 47-43 percent.

And he'd crush Palin by 56-30 percent. A month before, he led the former Alaska governor by 52-40 percent.

In each case, Obama owes his lead now to a unified base of support from Democrats and an edge among independents, who prefer the president by 10 points against Romney, 5 points against Huckabee and 28 points against Palin.

[...]

An uptick in confidence about the country and the economy is probably key to Obama's improved standing.

The poll found that 41 percent of Americans think the country's headed in the right direction and 47 percent think it's on the wrong track. That's a marked improvement from December, when just 34 percent thought the country was headed in the right direction and 58 percent thought it was on the wrong track.

At the same time, 48 percent of American voters approve of how the president is doing his job, up from 42 percent the month before. Forty-three percent disapprove, down from 50 percent.

Similarly, 53 percent of voters have favorable opinions of Obama, up from 47 percent, and 40 percent have unfavorable opinions, down from 49 percent.

Looking forward, 61 percent of voters think the president will do a better job in the second two years of his term, while just 21 percent think he'll do a worse job.

Whether they think he's learned or will be forced to the center by a Republican-led House of Representatives, the people who think he'll improve include Republicans, by 41-38 percent, conservatives, by 43-36 percent, and independents, by 55-23 percent.

Tea party supporters are split 41-41 over whether Obama will do better or worse.
(h/t: Brian Weatherson, comment #8 in a discussion thread on Crooked Timber about Palin's chances.)

operative 01-17-2011 09:55 AM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonderment (Post 194953)
I vote for Barbour, Christie, Gingrich, Jindal and Palin on those grounds. Only Christie has the self-awareness to understand that he is unelectable 2012; the others are deluded enough to think they have a chance.

The problem for the Repubs. is nominating a centrist who will not alienate the Tea Party base. I agree they'll probably go with Romney, although we're still way too early in the process to bet the farm.

Deep down Repubs. may understand that they really have little chance of winning in 2012 and should probably run a patsy next year and start thinking about their younger star players for 2016. At the moment I think Obama is sitting pretty for re-election.

I can't understand why you'd lump Jindal in with Barbour or Palin. Unless all you have to go off is his disappointing SOTU response. There may not be a governor in America with a more impressive intellectual resume.

bjkeefe 01-17-2011 02:13 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by operative (Post 194963)
I can't understand why you'd lump Jindal in with Barbour or Palin. Unless all you have to go off is his disappointing SOTU response. There may not be a governor in America with a more impressive intellectual resume.

I suppose that could be true, if, for example, you view an "intellectual resume" as one featuring accomplishments like lying on national TV, taking credit for programs you opposed, and signing laws approving the teaching of creationism in your state's science classes.

operative 01-17-2011 05:59 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 194984)
I suppose that could be true, if, for example, you view an "intellectual resume" as one featuring accomplishments like lying on national TV, taking credit for programs you opposed, and signing laws approving the teaching of creationism in your state's science classes.

Jindal was a Rhodes scholar with a Master's from Oxford. Where's your degree from, BJ? Your derangement has impeded your basic thought processes.

bjkeefe 01-17-2011 06:18 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by operative (Post 195020)
Jindal was a Rhodes scholar with a Master's from Oxford.

Funny. I don't remember the right counting that as a plus when a certain other governor was up for discussion as president. Matter of fact, I thought your heroes had pretty well convinced the vast majority of your allies that fancy elitist degrees were the problem, and that Commonsense Conservatism was what really mattered.

Quote:

Where's your degree from, BJ?
Do I need a degree to offer links to specific points against your claim? Or do you hope that a little more elitism will distract your dumber friends from your inability to address them?

Quote:

Your derangement has impeded your basic thought processes.
Really? Giving three straighforward examples amid a succinct response to your vapid assertion constitutes "derangement" to you? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

operative 01-17-2011 08:51 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 195030)
Funny. I don't remember the right counting that as a plus when a certain other governor was up for discussion as president. Matter of fact, I thought your heroes had pretty well convinced the vast majority of your allies that fancy elitist degrees were the problem, and that Commonsense Conservatism was what really mattered.

Strawman to escape addressing my point. Jindal's intellectual accomplishments trump Obama's and those of every other major Democrat politician.


Quote:

Do I need a degree to offer links to specific points against your claim?
You were indicting Jindal's intelligence. Jindal's academic record is quite impressive; if you don't have a decent intellectual resume, maybe you shouldn't assail his.

Quote:

Really? Giving three straighforward examples amid a succinct response to your vapid assertion constitutes "derangement" to you? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Every. Response. You. Make.

bjkeefe 01-17-2011 09:59 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by operative (Post 195059)
You were indicting Jindal's intelligence.

You're a liar. Or you can't read. Try again.

operative 01-17-2011 11:42 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 195071)
You're a liar. Or you can't read. Try again.

I'm not going around in circles with you. You seem to be unable to admit that Jindal is a very intelligent person. That's your loss.

bjkeefe 01-18-2011 12:40 AM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by operative (Post 195086)
I'm not going around in circles with you.

How I wish you had said, "I'm not going to go."

Not that that statement would have had much more chance of being true, I grant.

operative 01-18-2011 09:36 AM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 195098)
How I wish you had said, "I'm not going to go."

Not that that statement would have had much more chance of being true, I grant.

Whenever you reduce yourself to pedantic grammar analyses, you reveal yourself to be bereft of any meaningful response. Which is to say, it is you raising a white flag.

chiwhisoxx 01-18-2011 12:12 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 195098)
How I wish you had said, "I'm not going to go."

Not that that statement would have had much more chance of being true, I grant.

Is using "that" twice in a row a new grammatical trend?

AemJeff 01-18-2011 12:20 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chiwhisoxx (Post 195137)
Is using "that" twice in a row a new grammatical trend?

I find myself doing it a lot. I don't think it's new, though - sometimes "that" is just an integral part of a noun phrase. e.g. I can refer to "that thing I need to do" - I can also refer to "what I'll do now that that thing has been completed."

bjkeefe 01-18-2011 08:18 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by operative (Post 195128)
Whenever you reduce yourself to pedantic grammar analyses, ...

Sorry you're unable to understand, but I wasn't being pedantic. I was saying that I wished you had been speaking of your plans for the future.

However, I see you are still locked into saying nothing of substance and declaring victory. Pretty sad.

bjkeefe 01-18-2011 08:19 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chiwhisoxx (Post 195137)
Is using "that" twice in a row a new grammatical trend?

No. I suspect even a semi-literate like you does it all the time, at least in speech.

Wonderment 01-18-2011 08:37 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

No. I suspect even a semi-literate like you does it all the time, at least in speech.
I don't believe that that's possible.

chiwhisoxx 01-18-2011 09:31 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 195201)
No. I suspect even a semi-literate like you does it all the time, at least in speech.

C'mon, you can do better than semi-literate. I understand your need to lash out because of likely deep seated emotional problems, but at least come up with better insults.

bjkeefe 01-18-2011 10:03 PM

Re: Your Next Republican Preznit!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chiwhisoxx (Post 195207)
I understand your need to lash out because of likely deep seated emotional problems, but at least come up with better insults.

Physician, heal thyself.

bjkeefe 01-19-2011 04:58 PM

Newt disses St. Sarah on national teevee
 
GMA guy:

Quote:

Former speaker of the House and potential 2012 presidential contender had some words of advice for Sarah Palin on “GMA” this morning.

“I think that she has got to slow down and be more careful and think through what she’s saying and how she’s saying it,” Newt Gingrich told me.

A new USAToday/ Gallup poll puts Palin’s favorable rating at 38 percent following her reaction to the shooting in Tucson, her lowest since she was announced as Sen. John McCain's running mate.
Will this blossom as healthily (?) as the one between Levi Johnson's sister and Levi Johnson's ex-gf?

(h/t, h/t)

bjkeefe 01-19-2011 07:54 PM

"Why Sarah Palin Will Win the Republican Presidential Nomination in 2012"
 
Matt Taibbi, click-whore?

(In fairness, the interview was recorded a couple of months ago, and just posted now.)

TwinSwords 01-19-2011 08:14 PM

Re: "Why Sarah Palin Will Win the Republican Presidential Nomination in 2012"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 195319)

Best 2.5 minutes of video I've watched all day.

Really, it is amazing to consider a political movement composed of people screaming about socialism while riding around on scooters given to them for free by Medicare.

It's the same mind-bending contradiction as Sarah Palin's observation that "it's wrong to politicize the murderous actions of that left-leaning maniac in Arizona." (Paraphrasing from her Hannity interview.)

Wonderment 01-19-2011 08:35 PM

Re: Newt disses St. Sarah on national teevee
 
Quote:

“I think that she has got to slow down and be more careful and think through what she’s saying and how she’s saying it,” Newt Gingrich told me.
Yes, just like Newt did himself when he claimed that a "Kenyan, anti-colonial" mindset explains the Obama presidency, and claimed Obama was "authentically dishonest" and "factually insane."

bjkeefe 01-19-2011 08:42 PM

Re: Newt disses St. Sarah on national teevee
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonderment (Post 195328)
Yes, just like Newt did himself when he claimed that a "Kenyan, anti-colonial" mindset explains the Obama presidency, and claimed Obama was "authentically dishonest" and "factually insane."

Heh. Glad you caught the absurdity without me having to type things about pots and kettles.

bjkeefe 01-20-2011 10:49 PM

Spreading Santorum
 
Quote:

Rick Santorum successfully inserted himself into the news cycle today by saying something stupid and offensive about the president, race and abortion.
Just like Jesus would do. amirite?

Hey, Santorum, think of the children!

http://img.wonkette.com/images/thumb...0b8b92f73f.jpg

(pic. source)

operative 01-21-2011 10:27 AM

Re: Spreading Santorum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 195458)

And back to mocking Rick Santorum's children. Stay classy, BJ.

At least you're always here to represent the deranged, mentally-disturbed wing of the angry left. Mocking children just shows you to be a total schmuck.

bjkeefe 01-21-2011 01:36 PM

Re: Spreading Santorum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by operative (Post 195497)
And back to mocking Rick Santorum's children. Stay classy, BJ.

At least you're always here to represent the deranged, mentally-disturbed wing of the angry left. Mocking children just shows you to be a total schmuck.

A particularly lame attempt at fauxtrage, oppy. I'd think that even with your team flag perpetually waving in front of your eyes, you'd be able to get this: the whole point of that picture is to suggest that Santorum is such an evil scuzz that even his own kids can't stand being around him.

But you take it how you like. Lord knows you wingnuts never feel like you have enough reasons to feel persecuted.

operative 01-21-2011 03:40 PM

Re: Spreading Santorum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 195515)
A particularly lame attempt at fauxtrage, oppy. I'd think that even with your team flag perpetually waving in front of your eyes, you'd be able to get this: the whole point of that picture is to suggest that Santorum is such an evil scuzz that even his own kids can't stand being around him.

You're making fun of children crying. That makes you a schmuck. Deal with it.


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