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bjkeefe 03-23-2010 05:03 AM

Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric
 
This is a thread that probably should have been started long ago, but ... better late than never, maybe.

So, to start us off with something quite recent, let us visit the official website of one of the two major political parties in the most powerful nation on Earth: GOP.com.

(via, via)

Hmmm ... interesting redirection there. And probably the flames surrounding the Speaker of the US House of Representatives and the prominent word BOMB "are just metaphors," amirite?

Please feel to contribute examples as you come across them. It is important to document the atrocities.

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[Added] For historical purposes, since this redirection will probably not last: as of this posting, gop.com redirects to http://www.gop.com/firepelosi/

[Added2] For several other examples, see also the thread titled "HCR and the right's reaction;" e.g., here, here, here, here, and here.

bjkeefe 03-23-2010 07:40 AM

Re: Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric
 
Screenshot from bow-tied twerp Tucker Carlson's new "news" site, just in case there was any doubt remaining about his being a full metal wingnut.

http://static1.firedoglake.com/29/fi....49.23-PM1.png

Or at least, desperate to pander to them. Which is worse.

bjkeefe 03-23-2010 08:32 AM

Brick follow-up
 
Remember the brick that was thrown through the window of the office of my Representative, Louise Slaughter?

Turns out (via) there were other bricks thrown through other Democratic offices in the same area, too, including one with this note:*

http://www.13wham.com/media/lib/16/2...0/Original.jpg

and that Slaughter also received a threat of assassination via "recorded message" at her office last Thursday.

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* Ironic that a t-bagger would forget that one letter, don't you think?

bjkeefe 03-23-2010 11:39 AM

Bob Owens ...
 
... <strike>fapped</strike> asked this past weekend:

Quote:

Ready to Riot?

I ran out on some errands this morning, and noticed several things.

The gun store downtown was doing what I suspect was unusually brisk business for an early Saturday morning outside of hunting season. This same gun store's parking lot was overflowing mid-afternoon yesterday shortly after 3:30 PM, with traffic filling the lot, the nearby on-street parking filled, and overflow parking spilling into the gravel lot next door.

I've also seen a minivan with a warning/threat against Obamacare written in red paint on the windows (I didn't get a great look at it as it was moving in the opposite direction, but I got the gist of it).

This is hardly the equivalent of militiamen forming on the village green, but there seems to be a distinct undercurrent of frustration and rage building against the federal government in general, the tricks of Democratic Party in specific, and tomorrow's Obamacare may be the catalyst.

I don't sense any organization, but strong sentiment appears to be brewing. Is anyone else seeing similar behavior where they live?
In another recent post, he says he "proudly stand[s] by" his statement that "the next one of these jackasses that calls #healthcare a 'right' deserves to be drawn and quartered." He also says the same should be done to "the Democrats who crammed this unwarranted bill down the throats of the American people."

[Added: A comment left under this post is nut-picking to a degree, but it does illustrate what this kind of talk produces: drooling readers eagerly chiming in, and upping the ante.]

In yet another:

Quote:

Where do we go from here?

Some are calling for the armed revolt against this encroaching tyranny. It was for this specific reason, after all, that our Founders made sure Americans would not be denied the use of arms.
This will later be referred to as "the morally-required alternative." He wags a finger at the brick-throwers, because:

Quote:

This sort of petty vandalism is not what the Founders sought to protect.
Oh, good.

Oh, wait.

Quote:

They sought to protect our right to replace—yes, overthow—would-be tyrants and rouges that history has taught us always eventually arrive to usurp power and run roughshod over the rights of the people.
Rouges? Interesting Freudian slip there, Bob.

He goes on to reminisce fondly about the Battle of Athens* and reminds us, with increasing tumescence, "We live in a nation full of freshly-experienced combat veterans and graying patriots," but somehow, does not see fit to mention a more recent and better-known combat veteran patriot. Maybe the dog-whistle was apparent enough?

How significant is Bob Owens? Eh, hard to say. Big enough, though, to get a gig with Pajamas Media, an earlier one with Brent Bozell's Media Research Center, and profiled by the Washington Post.

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* Yeah, me neither. But I guess they fantasize about this quite a bit. Wolverines!!!1!

bjkeefe 03-23-2010 12:06 PM

Re: Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric
 
Speaking to a crowd of teabaggers Sunday night, after the House passed its HCR bill, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) encouraged secession and violence:

Quote:

If I could start a country with a bunch of people, they’d be the folks who were standing with us the last few days. Let’s hope we don’t have to do that! Let’s beat that other side to a pulp! Let’s take them out. Let’s chase them down. There’s going to be a reckoning!
(via, via)

kezboard 03-23-2010 01:04 PM

Lambchop's law again
 
James Zogby at the Huffington Post on violations of Lambchop's law as frightening behavior. I don't really like the whole warnings of creeping totalitarianism thing, but I like that he pinpointed the same phenomenon that all the commenters here did earlier.

TwinSwords 03-23-2010 02:09 PM

Re: Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric
 
It's not going to take long for this thread to fill up.

bjkeefe 03-23-2010 02:15 PM

Re: Lambchop's law again
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kezboard (Post 155485)
James Zogby at the Huffington Post on violations of Lambchop's law as frightening behavior. I don't really like the whole warnings of creeping totalitarianism thing, but I like that he pinpointed the same phenomenon that all the commenters here did earlier.

That is a good post. Thanks for the link. I agree he probably didn't need to throw that T-word in there; on the other hand, a minority faction claiming to speak for "the people" does have some disturbing historical resonances.

BTW: Just in case anyone else is hesitating about clicking, the author is not that dubious pollster guy. Completely different person.

bjkeefe 03-24-2010 08:56 PM

Re: Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric
 
Here is a flyer that Heather Armstrong recently found tucked in her doorway.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4036/...1932f7de_o.jpg

This organization, America Forever, appears quite well-funded, judging by their website -- for one thing, it costs a lot to host your own video, rather than putting it up on YouTube. (Looks like someone has posted a copy on YouTube, too, for the record.)

If you'd rather not sit through their latest, "Obama Killer Song," here is a partial description of what's in it, from the Salt Lake Tribune:

Quote:

The video, now playing on YouTube, features a man who appears to be light-skinned wearing a full-head Obama mask. Three men sing as the Obama figure skulks into a bedroom to "kill grandma" by strangling her in her sleep. He snatches a "U.S. Constitution" from an infant and burns it. He interrupts a CIA agent waterboarding a suspect and uses a noose -- a noose! -- to choke the agent.

It just gets worse: a couple of GI Joe figures holding hands, rainbows in the classroom. The Obama figure ducks into a room and emerges, transgendered, in a pink jacket and feather boa.

And the worst: the figure approaches a pregnant woman drowsing in a chair and stabs her belly repeatedly.

Oh, and the Obama figure with a scoped rifle taking aim at political opponents. The video ends, predictably, with a nuclear blast ...
More information on America Forever in that column. From that and a glance at Google, it looks like this group used to be driven exclusively by their anti-gay hate. Good to see them branching out, huh?

(h/t for the dooce link: mistermix)

TwinSwords 03-24-2010 09:26 PM

Interactive map tracks Republican violence, threats, vandalism
 
Talking Points Memo has decided to put up an interactive map to visualize and track the wave of violence, threats, and vandalism committed by conservatives in recent days.

You might want to bookmark that page, because we're obviously now seeing what TPM describes as the beginnings of a domestic terror campaign against Democrats.

Ocean 03-24-2010 09:49 PM

Re: Interactive map tracks Republican violence, threats, vandalism
 
I'm also hoping that FBI, CIA, Secret Service, and all Homeland security forces are keeping track of threats of potential violent actions.

claymisher 03-24-2010 10:50 PM

Re: Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric
 
What these guys want is a general strike, but they're too anti-socialist to know it.

bjkeefe 03-24-2010 11:05 PM

Re: Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric
 
Below is how "alarmrideratl" (aka restoretheconstitution@alarmandmuster.com) plans to present himself on 19 April 2010, at the "Restore the Constitution rally." This will be held at Gravelly Point Park, Virginia, billed elsewhere as "based on research so far, the closest carry-legal location to [Washington] DC."

Does the 19th of April have any significance? Yes. It is the day Timothy McVeigh bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City.

In another, more recent, post, this guy begins:

Quote:

It doesn’t look like the “conventional” forms of protest (signs, chants, phone calls, emails) that we’ve been using so far are having enough of an impact on our representatives. Been there, done that, let’s try something else.
Hurrah for the democratic process! And patience, also, too!

Steve M. at No More Mister Nice Blog (via) has a bunch more on this event.

http://restoretheconstitution.files....pg?w=500&h=612

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P.S. Screen grab from another post on the site linked to above as "elsewhere:"

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1...illasniper.png

bjkeefe 03-24-2010 11:06 PM

Sarah Palin's Violent Rhetoric
 
The following appears on Sarah Palin's Twitter feed:

Quote:

Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.
10:01 PM Mar 23rd via OpenBeak
Here's what she refers to on her Facebook page: a map of "20 House Democrats," with their locations marked with obvious cross-hairs.

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._2736968_n.jpg

Accompanying text includes this:

Quote:

We’ll aim for these races and many others. This is just the first salvo in a fight ...
Backup copies of the Tweet and Facebook graphic here.

(h/t: John Cole)

TwinSwords 03-25-2010 12:51 AM

Re: Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by claymisher (Post 155820)
What these guys want is a general strike, but they're too anti-socialist to know it.

They are planning one -- April 15 - 18.

They say it's our "last chance to do something peacefully."


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AemJeff 03-25-2010 01:25 AM

Michelle Malkin Shows Some Grace
 
You didn't think that title wasn't ironic, did you? What a piece of shit that woman is.
Quote:


Condemning Threats, Condemning Assumptions


...

The fact that plenty of Republicans get threats every day and nobody says a thing notwithstanding, taking Hoyer’s words at face value, as a conservative Republican, I condemn real threats of violence almost as much as I condemn desperate claims that are manufactured in a cheap attempts to further broken agendas. That said, I’d like Rep. Hoyer and people of all political stripes to condemn the assumption that any physical threats of retribution over the health care bill are coming from Republicans.

Sure, maybe some of us owe Steny an apology for over-reacting to the completely unfounded fear that thousands of IRS agents may soon be monitoring our blood pressure, collecting urine samples and making sure we haven’t kicked our 25-year-old kids out of our basements and off our insurance doles — but, as sure as Bart Stupak’s already secretly working on his concession speech, I know this bothers more than just Republicans.

Steny’s been busy serving the constitution the way a dog serves a fire hydrant, so maybe he hasn’t had time to notice, but a solid majority of the country is against this bill that recently passed through the Senate and House, and is in the process of passing through America like shards of glass through the bowels of a hemophiliac. Hoyer may not have taken the time to consider that Americans are incensed by the passage of this bill, and as such there’s a slight chance that non-Republicans are less than happy too.

...

TwinSwords 03-25-2010 01:28 AM

Re: Michelle Malkin Shows Some Grace
 
Wow. It's almost like she's saying "not only Republicans have reason to fantasize about violence and make threats!!"

TwinSwords 03-25-2010 01:33 AM

Sarah Palin wants you to murder your representative
 
There is so much more I could have added to this Republicans-advocating-violence thread today, if only I had more time.

This really is, I'm sure, the most under-reported story of the last year. I wish someone could explain to me why it goes almost completely unremarked upon.

I've said it a zillion times, but if you follow Republican blogs, or read comments on newspaper articles or on youtube videos, or listen to the people who call into radio or TV call-in shows, it's a constant drumbeat of conservatives calling for violent retribution against Democrats and liberals. And it's not just the base: the leadership of the party and the conservative movement are doing it, too. Sarah Palin herself just issued a demand that her followers "reload" and "take aim" at a list of Congressmen she identified on a map with rifle scopes.

It's a deliberate campaign of incitement and intimidation.

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2...crosshairs.jpg

bjkeefe 03-25-2010 02:50 AM

Fallout
 
The House Minority Leader, John Boehner (R-Ohio), speaking to National Review, 18 Mar 2010, about a Democratic colleague from his same state:

Quote:

“Take [Rep.] Steve Driehaus, for example,” he says. “He may be a dead man. He can’t go home to the west side of Cincinnati."
Shortly afterward, an attack ad ran in a local newspaper, The Cincinnati Inquirer, featuring a picture of Driehaus with his kids, and anti-HCR bloggers also posted directions to his house.

Driehaus is one of a number of Democratic members of Congress who have received death threats since the bill passed. Rachel Maddow reports: part one, part two.

listener 03-25-2010 03:20 AM

Re: Michelle Malkin Shows Some Grace
 
Quote:

Steny’s been busy serving the constitution the way a dog serves a fire hydrant
Putting aside for a moment the ugly hateful vitriol, isn't "Constitution" supposed to be capitalized? Freudian slip, perhaps.

bjkeefe 03-25-2010 04:59 AM

Re: Michelle Malkin Shows Some Grace
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AemJeff (Post 155874)
You didn't think that title wasn't ironic, did you? What a piece of shit that woman is.

It continues, unsurprisingly, and she's getting her fans riled up. Reports LGF:

Quote:

To Michelle Malkin, if President Obama shows any sign of being even slightly happy about the success of his health care reform bill, it’s “gloating.”

And in the comments for her thread (among dozens of comments talking about buying food, guns, and ammunition, joining militias, and going on “a war footing”), “Snowfire” tries to raise the plummeting morale by posting the poem “Invictus” by William Ernest Henley — which also happens to be the final statement of Timothy McVeigh.

listener 03-25-2010 05:27 AM

Re: Fallout
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 155895)
The House Minority Leader, John Boehner (R-Ohio), speaking to National Review, 18 Mar 2010, about a Democratic colleague from his same state:

Shortly afterward, an attack ad ran in a local newspaper, The Cincinnati Inquirer, featuring a picture of Driehaus with his kids, and anti-HCR bloggers also posted directions to his house.

Driehaus is one of a number of Democratic members of Congress who have received death threats since the bill passed. Rachel Maddow reports: part one, part two.

I've been listening to some of the recorded messages that have been left on Rep. Stupak's answering machine. Absolutely chilling. I'd never thought that anything could ever cause me to view Stupak as an admirable and courageous patriot, or that I'd ever want to rally to his defense, but the unspeakably vicious hatred contained in those phone messages (and there were many of them) rattled me to my core, and my heart went out to the Congressman.

The recent numerous violent acts and threats of violence, including murder, toward various other members of Congress and their families are equally appalling to me. And I am very disturbed by the language used by influential Republicans that serves to fuel such violence. How can they ignore the dire consequences such incitement has led to in our past?

TwinSwords 03-25-2010 07:37 PM

Tea Party threatens One Thousand Wacos
 
Ladies and Gentlmen, the conservative movement:

Quote:

VANDERBOEGH: I am telling you we are motivated to break windows, we feel a deadly threat from the Federal government and the orders that the Democrat party has given us. [...]

COLMES: You’re telling people to break the windows of Democratic headquarters. You’re telling people to commit acts of vandalism. You’re supporting breaking the law.

VANDERBOEGH: May I tell you my personal motive for doing this? I’m trying to save the lives of Nancy Pelosi, and every one of these people who do not understand the unintended consequences of their actions. [...] Because they are not paying attention to the million of people across this deepening divide that politics no longer avails them. [...] We refuse to participate in the system, and we refuse to pay the fines, and we refuse arrest. Now where do you suppose that’s going but a thousand little Waco’s.
Vanderboegh runs a blog devoted to inciting revolution.

I wonder what the reasonable conservatives in the forum think about this growing right wing movement.

TwinSwords 03-25-2010 07:46 PM

Cantor's Bullet
 
Rep. Eric Cantor, desperate to trick our deeply pathetic media into reporting the story as "both sides are doing it," filed a police report stating that his office was fired upon.

Read the police report:

Quote:

A preliminary investigation shows that a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window. The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds. There was no other damage to the room, which is used occasionally for meetings by the congressman.
So, it almost certainly was not a shot fired at Cantor's office and likely had no political connection.

Suppose, though, that it did. Let's just stipulate for the sake of argument that some unhinged lefty fired the shot into the air and carefully calculated the trajectory so that the bullet would fall through the window of Cantor's office.

It would still prove nothing, and it certainly would not prove that "extremism is a problem on both sides."

How do we know? We know because you almost never can find any examples of violent liberal rhetoric, but you can't miss violent conservative rhetoric. Go to virtually any political news story or YouTube video, or conservative blog, and read the comments, and you are sure to find several threats of violence. It would be exceedingly difficult to find examples of the same kind of rhetoric coming from the left.

bjkeefe 03-26-2010 02:16 AM

Re: Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric
 
I know the feeling, Ezra.

uncle ebeneezer 03-26-2010 03:32 AM

Re: Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric
 
And Newt is making speeches saying that the Dems are partly to blame because of their arm-twisting approach to legislation. Pot meet...well you know.

What disturbs me the most is: where is the outrage among the decent people on the Right? I've seen very little from pundits, politicians or just GOP-leaning civilians expressing any disgust over these terrible offenses. Even people on this board who I generally think have morals not far from my own though we may disagree on policy have been strangely hesitant to call out their party's abhorrant behavior. I'd like to think that if Democrats were encouraging this kindof dangerous atmosphere, I would be willing to speak up and point out that these people are sick and demented and this kinda shit has no place in politics for either party. So far...nothing but crickets from all the decent, God-loving Amurkens. It's pretty disappointing.

listener 03-26-2010 04:04 AM

Re: Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle ebeneezer (Post 156029)
And Newt is making speeches saying that the Dems are partly to blame because of their arm-twisting approach to legislation. Pot meet...well you know.

What disturbs me the most is: where is the outrage among the decent people on the Right? I've seen very little from expressing any disgust over these terrible offenses. Even people on this board who I generally think have morals not far from my own though we may disagree on policy have been strangely hesitant to call out their party's abhorrant behavior. I'd like to think that if Democrats were encouraging this kindof dangerous atmosphere, I would be willing to speak up and point out that these people are sick and demented and this kinda shit has no place in politics for either party. So far...nothing but crickets from all the decent, God-loving Amurkens. It's pretty disappointing.

Yes, the outrage from those you mention sounds kinda like this.

popcorn_karate 03-26-2010 04:40 AM

Re: Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by listener (Post 156033)
Yes, the outrage from those you mention sounds kinda like this.

the most interesting part being that you are all gleeful about implementing a right wing heritage foundation plan.

bjkeefe 03-26-2010 04:50 AM

Re: Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by popcorn_karate (Post 156036)
the most interesting part being that you are all gleeful about implementing a right wing heritage foundation plan.

Aren't you one for saying you care about good ideas, not where they come from?

bjkeefe 03-26-2010 05:06 AM

Re: Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 156025)
I know the feeling, Ezra.

On a related note, Roy Edroso:

Quote:

SHORTER ENTIRE RIGHTWING: All these claims of threats against Democratic legislators, hah! These sissies just can't face up to the will of the people. Plus how do we know it isn't all a fraud? Why, in olden times OH SHIT ERIC CANTOR SAYS SOMEBODY SHOT AT HIS OFFICE DEMOCRATZ ARE OBVS KRAZY MURDERERS!

Bonus: Confederate Yankee, who explained the necessity of violence yesterday, is outraged by this alleged assault, and blames Rep. John Lewis.

This is why I tend to be phlegmatic about this kind of story -- not because they're necessarily untrue, but because by the time such reports get to us punters, there's nothing left but bloody shirts and instructions for waving them.
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Bonus for me: Following that penultimate link to TIDOS Wankee's post o' incoherent outrage, I did get to see the magic word (emph. added):

Quote:

The Democratic thuggocracy has, without a doubt, underestimated the American public's resolve to stand up to their Alinsky tactics ...
Ding ding ding ding! Add it to the collection!

bjkeefe 03-26-2010 05:28 AM

Re: Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle ebeneezer (Post 156029)
[...] What disturbs me the most is: where is the outrage among the decent people on the Right? I've seen very little from pundits, politicians or just GOP-leaning civilians expressing any disgust over these terrible offenses. Even people on this board who I generally think have morals not far from my own though we may disagree on policy have been strangely hesitant to call out their party's abhorrant behavior. I'd like to think that if Democrats were encouraging this kindof dangerous atmosphere, I would be willing to speak up and point out that these people are sick and demented and this kinda shit has no place in politics for either party. So far...nothing but crickets from all the decent, God-loving Amurkens. It's pretty disappointing.

Indeed. Others wonder, too, like Jill and her friend:

Quote:

To quote the always-observant Choire, “Hey, also, remember when the right wing talking point was always “ALL MUSLIMS MUST LOUDLY RENOUNCE THE TERRORISM OF THE (40 or 50 TERRORIST) MUSLIMS?” Anyone? Because… So… You see… Oh never mind.”
Lyle ...?

bjkeefe 03-26-2010 06:18 AM

Pajamas Media
 
Pajamas Media blogger Stephen "Vodkapundit" Green is noticed by Steve M.:

Quote:

... here's Green's conclusion:

The important part is this: If this abominable, unconstitutional, usurperous, injurious, unsustainable and ruinous new health care law has a mere ten legislatures afraid for their safety, then this country might already be too far gone to save itself.

Translation: fellow right-wingers, you're not terrorizing Democrats enough. What's wrong with you? If you were men and not mice, you'd be threatening even more of them, dammit.

When exactly did we cross this line? When was it decided that, in our system, criminal intimidation is just a vigorous form of hardball? Were you consulted on this rewriting of the rules of our political life? I sure wasn't.
As with most such wingnuttery, if it were just this post, I'd be all, "Eh," just as with the recent Boehner. But when there's enough of them dancing up to the edge, and not thinking about that small fraction of the truly unhinged who are hanging on their every word ... I dunno. Worth continuing to document, at least, I suppose.

(Referred by a link from Teh Sadlys, who had been observing some more "tough talk" from Hindrocket, who had been applauding Doughy and State(ist?) Employee Instapundit talking tough on PJTV.)

bjkeefe 03-26-2010 06:57 AM

A Moment of Comic Relief
 
As Roy noted, the wingnuts have been spending a lot of time trying to downplay or dismiss the violent rhetoric emanating from some of their comrades. False equivalence has been among the favored tactics ("Why didn't biasedliberallamestreamstaterunmedia report it when X got a threatening phone call, back in month Y???!?", etc.) But they've really reached up to touch bottom with one comparison it just occurred to me to check: Kenneth Gladney.

Yeah, try to tell me you didn't just say, "Who?"

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What made me think of 14-minute teabagger hero Kenneth? Oh, another Hateway Pundit antic, reported by va at Whiskey Fire (Hateway was part of the crowd that brought a coffin to the home of Rep. Russ Carnahan (D-Missouri)). And this, of course, led to the canonical post connecting Hateway and Kenneth. (And Russ Carnahan!)

And yeah, that Kenneth news link is almost certainly time-sensitive.

Almost as fleeting as that great new (as of last September, I mean) hub of teabagger rebellion, IAmKennethGladney.com.

(No, really. That used to be a thing.)

bjkeefe 03-26-2010 11:37 AM

"Going to Extreme"
 
Column from Paul Krugman.

Excerpt:

Quote:

What has been really striking has been the eliminationist rhetoric of the G.O.P., coming not from some radical fringe but from the party’s leaders. John Boehner, the House minority leader, declared that the passage of health reform was “Armageddon.” The Republican National Committee put out a fund-raising appeal that included a picture of Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, surrounded by flames, while the committee’s chairman declared that it was time to put Ms. Pelosi on “the firing line.” And Sarah Palin put out a map literally putting Democratic lawmakers in the cross hairs of a rifle sight.

All of this goes far beyond politics as usual. Democrats had a lot of harsh things to say about former President George W. Bush — but you’ll search in vain for anything comparably menacing, anything that even hinted at an appeal to violence, from members of Congress, let alone senior party officials.

No, to find anything like what we’re seeing now you have to go back to the last time a Democrat was president.
Conclusion:

Quote:

For today’s G.O.P. is, fully and finally, the party of Ronald Reagan — not Reagan the pragmatic politician, who could and did strike deals with Democrats, but Reagan the antigovernment fanatic, who warned that Medicare would destroy American freedom. It’s a party that sees modest efforts to improve Americans’ economic and health security not merely as unwise, but as monstrous. It’s a party in which paranoid fantasies about the other side — Obama is a socialist, Democrats have totalitarian ambitions — are mainstream. And, as a result, it’s a party that fundamentally doesn’t accept anyone else’s right to govern.

In the short run, Republican extremism may be good for Democrats, to the extent that it prompts a voter backlash. But in the long run, it’s a very bad thing for America. We need to have two reasonable, rational parties in this country. And right now we don’t.

bjkeefe 03-26-2010 12:03 PM

Re: Republicans and Their Violent Rhetoric
 
What Fox "News" reported:

Quote:

Quote:

FOX has learned that the Richmond, VA campaign office of House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA) was shot at Monday.

Cantor, is the highest-elected Jewish official in the country and the only Jewish Republican in the House.

And do you not love their caption for their TV report? [imglink]

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ass...o-custom_1.jpg

What actually happened, according to the Richmond police:

Quote:

A preliminary investigation shows that a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window. The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds. There was no other damage to the room, which is used occasionally for meetings by the congressman.
NB: a bullet.


Additionally, Wonkette has an email from someone who says he or she lives in the area, who says, in part:

Quote:

Quote:

The office building that Cantor is talking about is not clearly marked as being associated with him, there are no big signs.

It is also not listed on the internet, and seems to be used mainly by a “election consulting company” but turns into his campaign headquarters when he is actively running.

It’s right around the corner from the intersection of First and Main.

It’ s an area where it is very plausible that some one would just randomly bust a cap off into the air.

It’s close to drug selling areas.

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[Added] Of course, we must have audio and video of the shooter before we can believe any of this. If we don't get it, we must conclude that Andrew Breitbart will not "promise" (credible! (?)) to pay you $10,000, and we must not believe anything else Eric Cantor says.

bjkeefe 03-26-2010 12:54 PM

Get yer fresh hot new talking points!
 
Dave Weigel has a round-up of the "pushback" the wingnuts (including certain Republican members of Congress) have been deploying, now that they're finally beginning to realize their non-stop violence talk might, just might, be making them look bad. (Short version: it's all the Democrats' fault, and anyway, they should just STFU.)

And, oh yeah, "ram" and "throat" are used in the same sentence. Does this still surprise you?

kezboard 03-26-2010 01:56 PM

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Has someone made a bingo card yet?

popcorn_karate 03-26-2010 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 156038)
Aren't you one for saying you care about good ideas, not where they come from?

and aren't you one for judging things based on their provenance? or are you completely open to ideas emanating from the Templeton foundation - evaluating each with an open mind?

I think the health care "reform" is pretty horrifying. the idea that i have to pay private corporations for the right to be alive is sickening. It is also sickening how the bush administration set-up a surveillance state that is still operating (but nobody complains now that Obama is in charge of the apparatus).

The basic model I've seen since Reagan is the parties take turns selling us out to corporate interests, and gutting the constitution. they get people riled-up enough about pointless distractions that the base on the right and left both turn a blind eye to what is going on when "their" party is in charge of fucking America.

claymisher 03-26-2010 07:37 PM

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You know, there are non-profit health insurers. With rescission and pre-existing conditions banned, and the new 85% minimum medical-loss ratio, things are looking good for the non-profits.

listener 03-26-2010 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by claymisher (Post 156183)
You know, there are non-profit health insurers. With rescission and pre-existing conditions banned, and the new 85% minimum medical-loss ratio, things are looking good for the non-profits.

Interesting. I'd like to know more about that.


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