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Bloggingheads 03-05-2009 10:06 PM

Livin' a Thug Life Like Doug Feith
 

Titstorm 03-05-2009 10:25 PM

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two geeky political types....giving praise to a w***er....who has stolen his act from black people....but is criticizing the first black president....and bob is linking to rick ross v 50 cent.....i'm so confused right now i don't know what the heck is going on. leave it to a white guy to steal his act from black people and then use it to be critical of policies that are in their best interest. wow, i guess this guy is so stupid he doesn't realize that not only is rap worthless but he's now using it for the exact opposite purpose it was invented.

*edit* holy crap everyone's gotta go watch the nerdy reporter interviewing the "rapper" bob his head to the verse he is "spitting." that's good stuff:) cons have officially hit rock bottom with this one. anyone else think they're noticing that young people don't have much interest in "conservatism" and so they're getting desperate? ah, a dying breed.

Titstorm 03-05-2009 11:00 PM

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i've said it before and i'll say it again: the Afghan war is the dumbest waste of time ever:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...briefing/view/

just another 500 years and we'll have everything under control!

FP came out with this:
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/c...?story_id=4738
today but i don't buy it. the reality is that we have our bravest guys walking around the middle of nowhere waiting for the the Taliban to shoot them so they can shoot back. awesome strategy! these guy aren't going anywhere anytime soon. just slowly leave and use the money to GET ME HEALTHCARE.

r108dos 03-05-2009 11:24 PM

Conservative clown de jour
 
Rush Limbaugh and now Hi Caliber. They're going to take away our guns! They are communists! Don't they have anything constructive to say? I think that Eli should team up with Hi-Caliber. I just wish the Republicans had exercised the nuclear option when they threatened to do so. I kept frantically sending e-mail against it and figured it out too late.

sugarkang 03-05-2009 11:59 PM

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no flow whatsoever.
no cleverness.
just regurgitated talking points that happen to rhyme.
BFD?

Downpressor 03-06-2009 12:51 AM

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no comment on the vlog yet...but this mc--leaving aside the whole conservative hip hop angle as a whole--is ridiculous. seriously, he asked if he could drop a rhyme about obama and then just spits a written. give me something off the top if you want to impress me!

also, "it just like talk radio with music behind it" is maybe the worst tagline for a genre i've ever heard.

bjkeefe 03-06-2009 01:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Downpressor (Post 105949)
also, "it just like talk radio with music behind it" is maybe the worst tagline for a genre i've ever heard.

Reminds me of what Philip Greenspun once said, when recommending a book about a less than favorite programming language:

Quote:

... Perl 5 does indeed offer 1000 times the syntactic complexity of Common Lisp, 10 times the semantic complexity of Common Lisp, and 1/10th the power of Fortran II.

pampl 03-06-2009 02:12 AM

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This is an absolutely brilliant diavlogue after the rap geekiness in the beginning, which I mostly tuned out anyway. Lake was in top form and Ackerman (who for some reason I had had vague feelings of dislike for before this) makes a good partner. There's not much conflict though, besides that I really liked this. Keep em coming

Jay J 03-06-2009 02:59 AM

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So this conservative rapper guy? Well I had never heard of him, and I went and listened to him online.

I may not be the best judge of these kinds of things because I haven't been into hip-hop (that term used to seem to at least connote a sub-category of rap) since the 90's. Back then I listened to Digable Planets, A Tribe Called Quest, Common, De La Soul, The Pharcyde, The Beastie Boys, etc. I kinda feel like the genre has changed though, even in groups that were around back then. And maybe I've changed somewhat too.

OK with that out of the way, this Hi-Caliber person is *nowhere* in the realm of the examples of pure hip-hop I listed above. From an artistic perspective, absolutely nowhere in the same universe.

But anyway, the real reason I posted this is that I heard the guy say that he had an epiphany from listening to Michael Savage on the radio for 10 minutes. WTF?

When I first saw "conservative rapper," I thought *maybe* Matisyahu would fit, because of his strong religious convictions, and a person like that would certainly be an impressive artist to have as a self-identified conservative. But I think Matisyahu would stop short of doing such a thing.

So back to the point of the post: This Hi Caliber guy has an epiphany from listening to Michael Savage for 10 minutes? OMG! So much for art being motivated by something profound!

Jay J 03-06-2009 03:04 AM

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Titstorm,

Are you serious? I think you may notice from my post on this topic that I don't think highly (in any sense of the word) of Hi Caliber, but "leave it to a white guy?" WTF?

And rap is worthless?

Uh, maybe you should be more bombastic in your points so we can become even more confused as to what you're trying to say... Sarcasm intended...On the last sentence at least...

x9#z6 03-06-2009 03:57 AM

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Yo Eli, kick it to em man.

Titstorm 03-06-2009 07:59 AM

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what's not true about what I said?

gwlaw99 03-06-2009 10:16 AM

Freeman Response to Tiananmen
 
With respect to Freeman's support of China posted on a listserv in 2006. His response to the massacre in Tiananmen square was the that the crackdown was overly cautious:

Quote:

From: CWFHome@cs.com [mailto:CWFHome@cs.com]
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:29 PM

I will leave it to others to address the main thrust of your reflection on Eric's remarks. But I want to take issue with what I assume, perhaps incorrectly, to be yoiur citation of the conventional wisdom about the 6/4 [or Tiananmen] incident. I find the dominant view in China about this very plausible, i.e. that the truly unforgivable mistake of the Chinese authorities was the failure to intervene on a timely basis to nip the demonstrations in the bud, rather than -- as would have been both wise and efficacious -- to intervene with force when all other measures had failed to restore domestic tranquility to Beijing and other major urban centers in China. In this optic, the Politburo's response to the mob scene at "Tian'anmen" stands as a monument to overly cautious behavior on the part of the leadership, not as an example of rash action.
Johnathan Chait put it best in the Wshington post the other day:
Quote:

This is the portrait of a mind so deep in the grip of realist ideology that it follows the premises straight through to their reductio ad absurdum. Maybe you suppose the National Intelligence Council job is so technocratic that Freeman's rigid ideology won't have any serious consequences. But think back to the neocon ideologues whom Bush appointed to such positions. That didn't work out very well, did it?
The Chineese national oil company supports governments, including Sudan and Burma, with massive human rights violations and itself has commited human rights violations in Burma .

Also Freeman's connections to foreign governments are a completely different issue than Ackerman's analogy to Bill Lynne, who worked for an American defense contractor.

brucds 03-06-2009 10:27 AM

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Finally we've got a reactionary, flamingly ignorant asshole aspiring to greatness in the world of hip-hop by appealing to our baser instincts. I thought it would never happen.

Joel_Cairo 03-06-2009 11:34 AM

Burned!
 
Barbara Slavin is more interesting than Spencer Ackerman.

pampl 03-06-2009 11:39 AM

Re: Freeman Response to Tiananmen
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gwlaw99 (Post 105980)
With respect to Freeman's support of China posted on a listserv in 2006. His response to the massacre in Tiananmen square was the that the crackdown was overly cautious:

That's backwards. His criticism was that Beijing being overly cautious is what eventually made the crackdown necessary. Chas is a pretty callous and impolitic guy but it's a mistake to try to stretch the Tienanmen square comments into something worse than that, especially when he already ought to be disqualified for being a paid advocate on behalf of totalitarian governments

Jay J 03-06-2009 11:46 AM

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Well let me just say that if you can find nothing in rap of worth, then you're a myopic little cultural simpleton.

And "leave it to a white boy?" You seriously don't understand what's wrong with that?

Winspur 03-06-2009 12:21 PM

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Good one, although the brain power was really concentrated on the left side (as so often happens!) I got sick of hearing Eli say "what if Al Qaeda gets lucky in Europe?" Yeah, and if an asteroid hit Southern California tomorrow, that would change our military strategy too. So what?

Titstorm 03-06-2009 01:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay J (Post 105987)
Well let me just say that if you can find nothing in rap of worth, then you're a myopic little cultural simpleton.

And "leave it to a white boy?" You seriously don't understand what's wrong with that?

oh, no, i'm pretty sure the simpleton is the retard who is so delusional that he actually thinks black people rhyming words about drugs and shooting each other is of value.
i'm assuming you're white:
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008...en-to-anymore/
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008...op-references/
you: "Back then I listened to Digable Planets, A Tribe Called Quest, Common, De La Soul, The Pharcyde, The Beastie Boys, etc."
man, he really nailed it, didn't he?

if you're not then you're still a moron. and, yes, i'm white and white people stole Rock and Roll from blacks along with all their money. are you not aware of this? rap was (barely) purposeful in 1989....now it's become this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWn6IZDCwNM

you see, there's a hierarchy of music - classical is on top....rap scrapes the bottom. Been had money;)

Lyle 03-06-2009 02:32 PM

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"Black people" have intellectual property rights to rap? What?

Titstorm 03-06-2009 02:36 PM

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Oooh, yeah, I forgot rap actually originated in Beverly Hills and Compton stole their idea. Posers!

Jay J 03-06-2009 02:56 PM

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I'm aware that white artists were given credit that probably should have gone to black artists, since Rock n' Roll came out of black culture. Was your question as to whether or not I knew this a serious one? I mean does anyone not realize this?

I'm also aware of the Stuff White People Like blog. i think it's funny. I also don't think the fact that there is a blog post about that stuff means that the artists I mentioned don't have great artistic value, if you do, then you're being fallacious.

I suppose you view Elvis and the Beatles as "stealing" Rock n' Roll rather than being one of many artists who authentically expressed themselves through the genre. That artists like these got credit over countless blues artists seems extremely unjust, and is almost certainly due to the prejudices of the day.

Do you notice the difference between this and saying white people "stole" Rock N' Roll? I doubt you do...

In any case, even if white people *had* stolen Rock N' Roll as crudely as you put it, it still wouldn't justify the reference "leave it to a white boy." I mean, the fact that black music was appropriated and made accessible to masses of whites, and that this was done by whites, still doesn't justify "leave it to a white boy."

And the fact that you believe that rap is identical with "black people rhyming words about drugs and shooting each other," shows how out-of-touch you must be...

EDIT: By the way, by "credit" I just mean historical credit. But this has changed right? I mean, doesn't virtually everyone know the historical roots of rock music? In any case, I don't mean to say that Elvis or the Beatles didn't deserve their record sales, since the only thing there is to deserving record sales is that people want to buy your stuff. But the fact that Elvis was called for so long "The King of Rock N' Roll" (it seems to have been shortened to "The King") seems very wrong, because clearly he wasn't... whoever should have been called the king of rock n' roll (to whatever extent there could ever be one person) was am African-American. I don't know if you prefer Chuck Berry, Little Richard, or some Blues artist, but it can't be denied that Rock N' Roll came out of, and was, a black art form, then becoming a world wide art form. And when this art form first became popular in the U.S., countless black artists lived in poverty, and all of sudden some cute (and albeit talented) white boys became rich and famous from taking this art form and using it to express themselves (and in many cases, adding their own personal touch to it). This seems to me like a historical injustice, which can't be fully remedied, but should be recognized. In any case, I probably whipping a dead horse trying to reason with titstorm.

Lyle 03-06-2009 04:07 PM

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So someone from Beverly Hills can't be a rapper? What? Only people from a lower socio-economic background should rap? What about German and Indian rappers, did they steal something from black people?

Titstorm 03-06-2009 04:27 PM

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calm down, man. it's all gonna be ok;)

Titstorm 03-06-2009 04:31 PM

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man, i'm glad someone's willing to stick up for white people;) anyway, a decent attempt. i'll give it a "C" cuz you didn't back down even though you couldn't win - "adequate" comes to mind/good use of nuance.

Lyle 03-06-2009 04:35 PM

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Calm down? Am I upset? I just asked you a question.

Jay J 03-06-2009 04:36 PM

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You're not making any sense at all. And you didn't respond to anything I said. Simply asserting that I couldn't win is not a sufficient defense of your blabbering.

Jay J 03-06-2009 04:42 PM

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Well I wouldn't blame you if you were upset, seems like as posters, we have a right to expect that people will have arguments to back up their claims. When they don't, and they just fall back on rhetorical gestures, then they just aren't doing what they should to make the comment section an intellectually edifying place, in which case, they should hit the bricks...

Lyle 03-06-2009 04:51 PM

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I agree. Everyone posts something "hot headed" every once in a while, but he's got nothing going with his rap has been stolen from black people meme.

Titstorm 03-06-2009 04:57 PM

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ok, we're still going? if you have a problem with "leave it to a white boy" then you probably need a xanex. sum up your other problems cuz i'm not reading the book you wrote on the last post. you and lyle are both obviously very "pc." i am not. why are you both getting indignant about the opposite people you should be looking out for? honestly, i can't even remember what your problem is with what i said and i'm very close to not caring.

Jay J 03-06-2009 05:09 PM

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I've had a couple of arguments with people making knee-jerk (mostly liberal) arguments on this very website. So your estimate of me is hasty, and it turns out, off base. See I actually engaged with you on why you were wrong, I didn't behave in the way knee-jerk "PC" people do when they simply accuse people of latent racism, sexism, etc. I challenged you to defend your wild assertions with reasons, and you failed or refused.

And I must say, after going through a couple rounds of arguing against several knee-jerk positions on this very site, yours are the most moronic positions I've seen, and I've been here on and off since the very beginning.

Have a nice day... Goodbye.

Titstorm 03-06-2009 05:13 PM

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:( thanks, i learned a lot!

claymisher 03-06-2009 05:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 105953)
Reminds me of what Philip Greenspun once said, when recommending a book about a less than favorite programming language:

Oh please. Perl was terrific for its time. All that syntactic complexity is easy to learn. What's hard is picking up a thousand lisp idioms. What's the right way to write a for loop in lisp? Oh yeah, you should be using recursion instead. Of course. And which lisp is the right one for doing real work anyway?

http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006...able-lisp.html

AemJeff 03-06-2009 05:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by claymisher (Post 106014)
Oh please. Perl was terrific for its time. All that syntactic complexity is easy to learn. What's hard is picking up a thousand lisp idioms. What's the right way to write a for loop in lisp? Oh yeah, you should be using recursion instead. Of course. And which lisp is the right one for doing real work anyway?

http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006...able-lisp.html

Perl? Lisp? Those are languages? If you can't find it in K&R or Stroustrup, it's not worth knowing.

Jay J 03-06-2009 05:49 PM

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Whatever you said down there, I'm not gonna read it. Interacting with you is poisoning my mind. take care tit.

uncle ebeneezer 03-06-2009 05:56 PM

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Conservative rap sounds about as cool as Christian rock or Conservative comedy.

Titstorm 03-06-2009 06:13 PM

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yes, the guy who defends rap and white people is the one who should complain.

Nate 03-07-2009 06:53 PM

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Attackerman and Vitamin ought to release a new single that took the form of a bhtv diavlog. That would be as ill as a cancer ward.

opposable_crumbs 03-07-2009 07:56 PM

Re: Freeman Response to Tiananmen
 
It's like the neocon right have learnt nothing from the election, and instead of mopping up the mud they propose more slinging.

rfrobison 03-07-2009 08:29 PM

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Or "market-friendly socialists" or "pro-life Democrats"... ;-)


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