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Bloggingheads 03-29-2009 01:10 AM

UN Plaza: Keeping the Conversation Elevated (Mark Leon Goldberg & Matthew Lee)

BeachFrontView 03-29-2009 04:24 AM

Re: UN Plaza: Keeping the Conversation Elevated (Mark Leon Goldberg & Matthew Lee)
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bjkeefe 03-29-2009 10:41 AM

Re: UN Plaza: Keeping the Conversation Elevated (Mark Leon Goldberg & Matthew Lee)
Good diavlog, as always. I especially liked Matthew's observations early in the diavlog about the politics involved in whether or not the UN will officially speak about actions that cause slaughter of civilians.

I'm not a UN hater, but I do hate this aspect of the UN.

I'd also like to make a renewed request that M&M keep us up to date in future diavlogs on the resolution being pushed by Pakistan on behalf of the Muslim world that seeks to prohibit defamation of religion. In particular, I have seen some reports that there is talk that the resolution my be binding, not non-binding. The problem is that most of these sources are more or less dubious. The other problem is that left-leaning publications and the MSM tend too often to shy away from doing stories that could be spun as Islam-bashing. In the end, I am left unable to evaluate this resolution situation.

If I am coming off as no better than a Lou Dobbs-style crank, I'm sorry, but I do want to make it clear that even as I dismiss the idea that a UN resolution would have any effect on free speech in the US, I do worry about the consequences of such a resolution in other parts of the world. This is a truly a place where the old line about eternal vigilance being the price of liberty applies. So please, try to make a few minutes for it in the coming weeks.


Wonderment 03-29-2009 02:58 PM

Five days and counting
Great reporting on Sri Lanka, especially bringing out the craps shoot nature of the international response.

Comparing the situation to Israel-Gaza, however, does play into the Israeli view that everyone-is-picking-on-us-all-the-time, as they slaughter civilians in Gaza and bomb the shit out of convoys in Sudan, not to speak of appointing a racist loon (Avigdor Lieberman) Foreign Minister in the Netanyahu government.

Another breaking story that should provoke at least some whispering at the UN and a challenge for the Obama administration is this:


CNN) -- A senior Spanish judge has ordered prosecutors to investigate whether key Bush aides should be charged with crimes over the Guantanamo Bay detention center, a lawyer said Sunday.

[Baltasar] Garzon says the case can be brought under Spanish law because several Spaniards were held at Guantanamo.

Investigating magistrate Baltasar Garzon has passed a 98-page complaint to prosecutors that accuses former Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales and five others of being the legal architects of system that allowed torture in violation of international law, human rights lawyer Gonzalo Boye told CNN.

Prosecutors will review the document to determine if a crime has been committed.

The prosecutor's office will make a decision within five days, said Boye, one of the report's authors. Garzon accepted the complaint under Spanish law because there were several Spaniards at Guantanamo who allegedly suffered torture.

The complaint was filed in March 2008 by Boye and the Association for the Rights of Prisoners.

It names Gonzales -- who was President George W. Bush's counsel when the Guantanamo Bay detention center was established -- and other top Bush administration officials John C. Yoo, Douglas J. Feith, William J. Hayes II, Jay S. Bybee and David S. Addington.

A former top aide to Colin Powell, who was secretary of state in the early days of the Bush administration's "war on terror," testified before Congress last summer that the six officials "colluded" to develop a legal rationale for allowing detainees to be subjected to harsh treatment.

Lawrence Wilkerson was Powell's chief of staff in President Bush's first term.

Yoo, the author of a memo which critics say authorized torture, also testified before Congress last year.

The former deputy assistant attorney general said that his role in the administration had simply been to provide legal advice.

"We were functioning as lawyers. We don't make policy. Policy choices in these matters were up to the National Security Council or the White House or the Department of Defense," he said.
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Gonzales was Bush's legal counsel at the time and later became attorney general. Yoo and Bybee were at the Department of Justice, Haynes and Feith worked for the Department of Defense, and Addington was Vice President Dick Cheney's legal counsel.

Addington proved difficult to pin down when he testified under subpoena before a House of Representatives subcommittee June 26 with Yoo, who testified voluntarily but repeatedly refused to answer questions.

Addington, by then Cheney's chief of staff, delivered a flat "No" in answer to a question from New York Democrat Rep. Jerrold Nadler about whether Addington "contributed to the analysis or assisted in the drafting of the August 1, 2002, interrogation memo."

But when Nadler followed up with: "You had nothing to do with that," Addington again replied: "No. I didn't say I had nothing to do with it."

Addington never clarified what, if any, his role was.

Garzon, Spain's best-known investigating magistrate, issued the precedent-setting arrest warrant for former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet in 1998.

The judge has investigated human rights abuses in former military governments in Chile and Argentina, Islamic terrorists operating in Spain, the armed Basque separatist group ETA....

uncle ebeneezer 03-29-2009 09:55 PM

Matt Lee Acting Pesky
I think Matt was in rare form on this one.

Another great UN episode. Awesome work guys. I feel like my brain grows by a substantial amount every time you do this.

PS Thanks Matt, for keeping the mic further from your face. Don't know if this was on purpose or due to my complaints, but the audio on your side was much better this time.

uncle ebeneezer 03-29-2009 10:08 PM

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uncle ebeneezer 03-29-2009 10:42 PM

Re: UN Plaza: Keeping the Conversation Elevated (Mark Leon Goldberg & Matthew Lee)
Wow, what a great diavlog. This is what BHTV is all about. Matt & Mark are so passionate about this stuff that they can just pull you in like a master storyteller. After a week where my brain has been soiled by far too much Ann Althouse, this was like a cleansing bath in dis-Ann-fectant for my BH soul. Thanks Bob, for continuing to let these guys do their thing regardless of the # of views/comments etc. --Uncle Eb

bjkeefe 03-30-2009 03:37 AM

Re: Matt Lee Acting Pesky

Originally Posted by uncle ebeneezer (Post 108405)
I think Matt was in rare form on this one.

The closing line really made this one, intentional or not.

Starwatcher162536 03-30-2009 05:36 PM

Re: UN Plaza: Keeping the Conversation Elevated (Mark Leon Goldberg & Matthew Lee)
Another highly enlightening diavlog, largely free from the tired old left/right spin that seems to permeate everything else.

Since M&M are so informed about international matters, I wonder if they could switch gears abit and have a diavlog for the upcoming G20 summit. It would be nice to have someone explain why each country takes certain stances.

On another note, I would like to again reiterate my desire for M&M to have a diavlog about the structural makeup of the UN, or at the very least, endorse a good book they feel closely matches with reality.

barackObama 04-04-2009 02:16 AM

Re: UN Plaza: Keeping the Conversation Elevated (Mark Leon Goldberg & Matthew Lee)
Well said Matthew Lee. It is quite clear without a doubt UN security council is trying to protect Sri-Lanka, despite the outrageous terror the government has unleashed on the Tamil minorities. Thank you again for exposing the UN biasness.

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