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Bloggingheads 08-02-2010 11:18 PM

Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 

nikkibong 08-02-2010 11:35 PM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
Bob

I love this site, but your defense of Synoglesias is weak weak weak. Of the names I listed, only Osnos still lives in China, so the technological issue is a wash. Moreover, it's obviously the case that bhtv suggests topics for 'heads to tackle -- we've heard this from the multiple 'heads, themselves.

I don't really want to relitigate the whole Yglesias on China thing, but, suffice it to say, I don't agree with you that, even as a generalist, he had anything to add on the subject. For example, it's hardly shocking that the Chinese population is strongly nationalist.

I get that you bring generalists on, but when people come who plainly don't know what they are talking about, it only serves to discredit this site. And I love this site, and don't want to see it embarrassed.

AemJeff 08-02-2010 11:51 PM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
Two words: Blackberry app!

One more: Please!

listener 08-02-2010 11:58 PM

I'll be here all week, folks
 
http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/298...0:44&out=01:00

And don't forget to tip your waitress!

Wonderment 08-03-2010 02:10 AM

Eye on the Prize
 
Ok, I will take a shot at the Palin-Panther prize.

What do Bristol Palin and the New Black Panther Party have in common? Well, the initials BP jump off the page, so the real hat trick would be to reveal what British Petroleum, (New) Black Panthers and Bristol P have in common?

Answer: Compassion for Small People.

1) BP Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg: "I hear comments sometimes that large oil companies are greedy or don't care, but that is not the case with BP. We care about the small people."

2) (New) BP(P) also cares about Small People, i.e., 9/11 victims:

Quote:

Amir Muhammad, an officer with the NBPP, [claimed] Jews were forewarned of the disaster: "There are reports that as many as 3,000 to 5,000 so-called Jews did not go to work [at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on 9/11], and we need to take a serious look at that."
3) Bristol Palin as "Abstinence Ambassador" is concerned about Small Horny People, adolescents on whose behalf she has taken an Abstinence Pledge, urging them to abjure condoms.

So there you have it: Reborn Virgins for Small People; Big Oil for Small People; 9/11 Truther/Anti-Semites for Small People. Pure altruism. Nonzero.

chamblee54 08-03-2010 02:25 AM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
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Mannish Boy 08-03-2010 03:37 AM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
How could anyone not like D-Drez? Honestly? He's my second-favorite Blogginghead (after you, Bob).

Edit: did Bob's response to dieter admit defeat? It appears he does, and then spends 30 seconds on a tangential US foreign policy rant (full disclosure: I am prone to them myself).

Ocean 08-03-2010 11:03 AM

Re: Eye on the Prize
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonderment (Post 173143)
Ok, I will take a shot at the Palin-Panther prize.

What do Bristol Palin and the New Black Panther Party have in common? Well, the initials BP jump off the page, so the real hat trick would be to reveal what British Petroleum, (New) Black Panthers and Bristol P have in common?

Answer: Compassion for Small People.

1) BP Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg: "I hear comments sometimes that large oil companies are greedy or don't care, but that is not the case with BP. We care about the small people."

2) (New) BP(P) also cares about Small People, i.e., 9/11 victims:



3) Bristol Palin as "Abstinence Ambassador" is concerned about Small Horny People, adolescents on whose behalf she has taken an Abstinence Pledge, urging them to abjure condoms.

So there you have it: Reborn Virgins for Small People; Big Oil for Small People; 9/11 Truther/Anti-Semites for Small People. Pure altruism. Nonzero.

Genius! :)

ChrisCatanese 08-03-2010 12:41 PM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
The diavlouge series where members of the blogging heads community debate commenters it should be called Commenter Coliseum

ChrisCatanese 08-03-2010 01:39 PM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
What do Bristol Palin and the New Black Panthers have in common?

Their Creators both want Less Government... More Guns... and Of Course, to kill Whitey

look 08-03-2010 02:27 PM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisCatanese (Post 173255)
What do Bristol Palin and the New Black Panthers have in common?

Their Creators both want Less Government... More Guns... and Of Course, to kill Whitey

Epic Fail

Aryeh 08-03-2010 04:46 PM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nikkibong (Post 173123)
it's obviously the case that bhtv suggests topics for 'heads to tackle -- we've heard this from the multiple 'heads, themselves.

Just wanted to clarify this--for the majority diavlogs, we just arrange for the two participants to talk, we don't tell them what or what not to talk about. Here are the exceptions to this general rule: When we set up a diavlog on a specific topic, like John McWhorter and Richard Thompson Ford on "acting white." When something is in the news, usually something that just broke that day, we sometimes suggest to the participants that they might want to discuss it. That's it.

nikki, your objection was that we "brought Yglesias here" to discuss China. This we did not do. While I wasn't involved in setting up the Yglesias/Chotiner diavlog, I can assure you we did not tell them they had to discuss anything in particular. Moreover, because the diavlogs aren't edited, once the two people get started taping, it's entirely out of our hands what they do or don't discuss.

piscivorous 08-03-2010 05:05 PM

Re: Eye on the Prize
 
Just a reminder that the largest recipient of BP campaign contributions was not Bristol Palin but none other than the marvelous one won himself.

listener 08-03-2010 05:40 PM

My crystal ball
 
I believe I may see an autographed dollar bill in your future.

Wonderment 08-03-2010 08:08 PM

From henceforth...trust but verify, BP
 
Quote:

I believe I may see an autographed dollar bill in your future.
I don't know. There are so many other great entries. :)

Anyway, I will close this chapter in my award-winning life by noting once again our future President's extraordinary BP parenting and governing wisdom, as expressed today in People Magazine.

"I wish for Bristol to be able to move forward in life with her same forgiving, gracious, optimistic spirit, but from henceforth she'll know to trust but verify."

So from henceforth, when your boyfriend wants to drill, baby, drill, smack you upside the head with his billy club or show you his Dong-2, just trust but verify.

look 08-03-2010 09:45 PM

Aryeh
 
What would you think of starting the 'dingalink of the week' again? Not necessarily for a prize, but just the fun of it. Or maybe the best the month (out of four weekly winners) could get a t-shirt or something?

StillmanThomas 08-03-2010 11:35 PM

Heart of stone? Says who?
 
Guys, guys, where in my original post did I say, intimate for even imply that I thought Bob had a heart of stone? Quite the contrary, here's exactly what I did say:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bokonon (Post 160320)
[Bob] seems so incredibly unhappy, so completely committed to keeping everything and everyone away from his gut. Everything is sarcastic, cynical, and always from his head, never his heart.

(Emphasis added.)

My feeling was that we'd all be better off (including Bob) if he'd let us experience his heart once in awhile.

I've thought about this post quite a lot over the intervening months, and I think I wasn't fair to Bob in one respect. He's showing us his public persona, and I know that anyone living the public life now must develop a thick skin, because the criticism can be devastating. The point being, that I don't know Bob at all; I only know the face he shows the world. And I've written elsewhere recently (The Dangling Conversation) about my being a singer/songwriter and wrestling with performance anxiety all my life. So, I have enormous respect for Bob's contribution to the world, and for his (sometimes prickly) courage.

I think this little snippet shows just how much Bob has grown since he read my post. He could have delivered this line just dripping with sarcasm, but he glides right through it. I'll take this as a personal triumph (I'm LMAO, here).

About sharing my philosophy, I'm putting together a blog, but there's not much content yet. I'll put a link in my signature when I'm ready to go live.

And, in a nutshell, here's what Bob could become if he saw the light:

http://thestillcenter.org/wp-content.../Cool_Bear.jpg

Yes, it's a totally cool teddy bear (with apologies to Elvis).

listener 08-03-2010 11:41 PM

Re: Heart of stone? Says who?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bokonon (Post 173374)
xx

Sez these guys. (Sorry, couldn't resist) :)

StillmanThomas 08-04-2010 12:05 AM

Re: Heart of stone? Says who?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by listener (Post 173376)
Sez these guys. (Sorry, couldn't resist) :)

And they would know! Hope you'll read my actual post. I hit submit before I wrote anything. But perhaps that would have been better. :)

listener 08-04-2010 12:26 AM

Re: Heart of stone? Says who?
 
Ha! Funny post! I liked the Elvis reference (one of my all time favorite stupid ridiculous rock & roll lines comes from that song: "I don't wanna be a tiger/Cause tigers play too rough/I don't wanna be a lion/Cause lions ain't the kind/You love enough").

As for Bob's brusqueness and sarcasm, I have to say that for the most part I enjoy it because it is so obviously the kind of "public front" or persona that you refer to. And oddly enough, it shows that beating heart underneath clearly enough to me. I think the Bobster himself hit the mark on that subject here.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Bokonon (Post 173379)
I hit submit before I wrote anything. But perhaps that would have been better.

Good advice for many of our fellow commenters! I'll have to try that myself some time. :D

StillmanThomas 08-04-2010 12:36 AM

Re: Heart of stone? Says who?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by listener (Post 173384)
I liked the Elvis reference (one of my all time favorite stupid ridiculous rock & roll lines comes from that song....

I loved Elvis. Grew up with him (if I grew up at all). Another American tragedy, an immensely talented person surrounded by jerks and users who didn't care about him at all. Did you know that at the time of El's death, Colonel Tom Parker was still taking fifty cents out of every dollar he earned? Astonishing!

Quote:

Originally Posted by listener (Post 173384)
I think the Bobster himself hit the mark on that subject here.

I think your dingalink got messed up somehow. (Sounds obscene, doesn't it?)

PreppyMcPrepperson 08-04-2010 12:37 AM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aryeh (Post 173299)
While I wasn't involved in setting up the Yglesias/Chotiner diavlog, I can assure you we did not tell them they had to discuss anything in particular. Moreover, because the diavlogs aren't edited, once the two people get started taping, it's entirely out of our hands what they do or don't discuss.

Still, Aryeh, as a commenter who agreed with nikki when he originally voiced this complaint, I wonder if--without dictating specific DV topics--you could provide the 'heads with a general rule to keep their chats on subjects that are central to their work. I also think it would be great to arrange a DV with someone who really knew China.

bjkeefe 08-04-2010 12:39 AM

Re: From henceforth...trust but verify, BP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonderment (Post 173349)
So from henceforth, when your boyfriend wants to drill, baby, drill, smack you upside the head with his billy club or show you his Dong-2, just trust but verify.

Anyone getting a 403 message on the second link might try here (with a little scrolling), instead.

AemJeff 08-04-2010 12:49 AM

Re: From henceforth...trust but verify, BP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 173393)
Anyone getting a 403 message on the second link might try here (with a little scrolling), instead.

Chee-zeuss that is one dumb name for a blog. Thankfully, the light humor embodied in the subhead seems to redeem it.

uncle ebeneezer 08-04-2010 01:07 AM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
I just want to raise my voice to the BH overlords to say that I completely disagree. Let the heads talk about whatever they want to talk about. That's what makes the site interesting and fun. If I want to watch two experts talk about their areas of expertise, I will watch the diavlogs that fit that model (and there are many of them up here regularly.) One of the best selling points of bhtv is that I can hear these wonks go off on tangents and speak off the cuff and throw ideas around that have not been studied vigorously by the speaker. Anyways, just my 2 cents.

uncle ebeneezer 08-04-2010 01:10 AM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
I just want to humbly thank Aryeh for my first award in his name. That dingalink was one that I was particularly proud of. So like Susan Lucci, I feel like my many years of hard work have finally been acknowledged. I just want to thank my lord and savior, the Flying Spaghetti Monster for making this all possible.

listener 08-04-2010 01:21 AM

Re: Heart of stone? Says who?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bokonon (Post 173389)
I think your dingalink got messed up somehow. (Sounds obscene, doesn't it?)

Hmm, I just checked it out, and it worked okay for me. It was Bob saying, "You can express affection by kidding with people, y'know? Right? By giving people shit... I think I do that sometimes."

StillmanThomas 08-04-2010 01:32 AM

Re: Heart of stone? Says who?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by listener (Post 173413)
Hmm, I just checked it out, and it worked okay for me. It was Bob saying, "You can express affection by kidding with people, y'know? Right? By giving people shit... I think I do that sometimes."

That's in my diavlog, and I agree that's its pretty funny and honest, but here's the link that works on my system. Don't know what's going on, but your link is beyond the end of the diavlog for me. Weird.

graz 08-04-2010 01:35 AM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle ebeneezer (Post 173402)
Let the heads talk about whatever they want to talk about. That's what makes the site interesting and fun.

Agreed. Did you ever notice when they sometimes allude to the email they exchanged considering topics? And while they often hew close to the framework, this format allows lots of leeway ... and that's just fine.

StillmanThomas 08-04-2010 01:35 AM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle ebeneezer (Post 173404)
I just want to thank my lord and savior, the Flying Spaghetti Monster for making this all possible.

Does salvation come with meatballs? If so, sign me up.

listener 08-04-2010 01:36 AM

Re: Heart of stone? Says who?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bokonon (Post 173416)
That's in my diavlog, and I agree that's its pretty funny and honest, but here's the link that works on my system. Don't know what's going on, but your link is beyond the end of the diavlog for me. Weird.

Huh. Weird indeed. Oh well, thank goodness for good old-fashioned typing to clear things up.

listener 08-04-2010 01:39 AM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bokonon (Post 173418)
Does salvation come with meatballs? If so, sign me up.

Sorry, it only comes with one meatball.

bjkeefe 08-04-2010 01:41 AM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle ebeneezer (Post 173402)
I just want to raise my voice to the BH overlords to say that I completely disagree. Let the heads talk about whatever they want to talk about. That's what makes the site interesting and fun. If I want to watch two experts talk about their areas of expertise, I will watch the diavlogs that fit that model (and there are many of them up here regularly.) One of the best selling points of bhtv is that I can hear these wonks go off on tangents and speak off the cuff and throw ideas around that have not been studied vigorously by the speaker. Anyways, just my 2 cents.

Second that.

Also: One of the things I like about bloggers who have general interests rather than obsessively narrow concentrations is that I am much like that -- interested in lots of things, expert at none. I'm tired of nikkibong complaining about Yglesias/China, for example.

graz 08-04-2010 01:52 AM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PreppyMcPrepperson (Post 173390)
Still, Aryeh, as a commenter who agreed with nikki when he originally voiced this complaint, I wonder if--without dictating specific DV topics--you could provide the 'heads with a general rule to keep their chats on subjects that are central to their work.

But then we would be deprived of Pinkerton on the colonization of Mars or the Moon.

And why wouldn't you want breaking news of the day -- if warranted -- to be addressed by the random heads assigned on a given day? This is a feature, not a bug of bhtv.

StillmanThomas 08-04-2010 01:54 AM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by listener (Post 173421)
Sorry, it only comes with one meatball.

Funny! One of my oldest songwriting buddies, Chuck McCabe, always used to play that song. Haven't heard it since I moved away from the Bay Area.

uncle ebeneezer 08-04-2010 02:00 AM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
Well for the truly enlightened, they are infinite.

StillmanThomas 08-04-2010 02:09 AM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle ebeneezer (Post 173431)
Well for the truly enlightened, they are infinite.

I can see I've been totally out of the loop on the Church of the FSM. My bad, eb, sorry. :)

uncle ebeneezer 08-04-2010 02:16 AM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
I remember when I first saw a guy wearing one of the tee-shirts and he had to explain it to me. I thought: what kind of wise-ass, secular, god-bashing, liberal am I that I somehow had never even heard of this? It was my burning-bush moment.

StillmanThomas 08-04-2010 02:20 AM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle ebeneezer (Post 173437)
It was my burning-bush moment.

Too funny! The new revelation.

bjkeefe 08-04-2010 02:25 AM

Re: Commenter Court: Fresh-Faced Edition (Robert Wright & Aryeh Cohen-Wade)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PreppyMcPrepperson (Post 173390)
... as a commenter who agreed with nikki when he originally voiced this complaint, I wonder if--without dictating specific DV topics--you could provide the 'heads with a general rule to keep their chats on subjects that are central to their work. [...]

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