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Bloggingheads 12-30-2009 09:27 PM

Terrorism, Iran, and Underwear (Spencer Ackerman & Eli Lake)
 

kezboard 12-30-2009 09:37 PM

Ooh!
 
I was just thinking that what we really needed on Bloggingheads was an Ackerman underpants bomber diavlog, and I'm glad to see that they're going to be talking about Yemen too. Consider yourselves forgiven for all the boring diavlogs of the past week.

olmeta 12-31-2009 01:10 AM

Re: Terrorism, Iran, and Underwear (Spencer Ackerman & Eli Lake)
 
It seems to me that Mr. Akermann is not sufficiently knowledgable on these matters to contribute an interesting point of view. Lake does well, as usual.

harkin 12-31-2009 01:14 AM

Re: Terrorism, Iran, and Underwear (Spencer Ackerman & Eli Lake)
 
I prefer the term Knickerbomber.

How Napolitano still has a job after her 'system worked' comment is testament to this admin's incompetence. Nice to see they're attacking complaceny by trying to unionize. First things first.

A better link re Ackermaing than anything posted:

"But geez, the guy could at least get some of his facts straight!"


SA should stick to Bush death chants.

piscivorous 12-31-2009 02:13 AM

Re: Terrorism, Iran, and Underwear (Spencer Ackerman & Eli Lake)
 
I like BVD Bomber it has sort of a ring to it.

kezboard 12-31-2009 03:16 AM

Re: Terrorism, Iran, and Underwear (Spencer Ackerman & Eli Lake)
 
Bush death chants?

AemJeff 12-31-2009 09:22 AM

Re: Terrorism, Iran, and Underwear (Spencer Ackerman & Eli Lake)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by piscivorous (Post 144430)
I like BVD Bomber it has sort of a ring to it.

Harkin's got his knickers in a twist, is all.

propagandhi 12-31-2009 10:59 AM

Re: Terrorism, Iran, and Underwear (Spencer Ackerman & Eli Lake)
 
LOL - Pat Buchanan wants to own people.

JonIrenicus 12-31-2009 07:36 PM

Attackerman - counterinsurgency strategy making "cause theories" acceptable to neocons
 
I just wanted to say that this is probably correct to an extent. That said, swallowing cause theories in general is far easier when it does not come across as the single overriding explanation for all that is wrong with an area. When the proponent of such a theory believes that, and further, goes out of their way to link every cause under the sun back to the US, it undermines the effectiveness and persuasiveness of that theory.


Because even if some of us grant significant leeway for cause and effect, we can still get tired of people spouting endless barrages of personal US blame for every ill they see in an area, speaking nothing of the homegrown ills and causes. Where you place the focus of the causes can render your analysis too skewed for a proper and complete understanding of the problems in a given area. Worse, it can often add to the deflections of the homegrown causes towards outside entities ( the US !!! ) and give rotten self governance quarter by placing undue weight on the effects of outside entities.

All one need do to guard against all that, is make a more complete case, show SOME acknowledgment in a non throw away way that there is a greater breadth of causes, many of which are internal that have NOTHING to do with the outside, and we would fall into the hands of the argument. At least until we got to details we disagreed with. But there the disagreement would be more technical, before it would be conceptual.


On a side note, Attackerman is a great name play, and the site firedoglake is a great name for a site, whoever came up with it. It is one of those names that is nice to say.

graz 12-31-2009 09:30 PM

Re: Terrorism, Iran, and Underwear (Spencer Ackerman & Eli Lake)
 
I think you may have learned the wrong lesson Attackerman. Your mistake was in checking your alerts and tweeting during a movie. How rude. Please repent. You kids today! Ugh.
http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/249...2:29&out=03:03

harkin 01-01-2010 02:13 PM

Re: Terrorism, Iran, and Underwear (Spencer Ackerman & Eli Lake)
 
Gotta love Attackerman's tweet on the Knickerbomber.

"Some idot set firecrackers off on a jet and were spsed to be afraid of that? Al-Q is a joke"

And Yglesias tries to out-do him:

"Obviously, people shouldn’t be lighting anything on fire inside airplanes. That said, all the big Christmas airline incident really shows to me is how little punch our dread terrorist adversaries really pack. Once again, this seems like a pretty unserious plot. And even if you did manage to blow up an airplane in mid-air, that would be both a very serious crime and a great tragedy, but hardly a first-order national security threat...."

Does Yglesias have any idea as to the financial devastation done by the Lockerbie bomber (just ask Pan-Am)? He doesnt consider mass murder and devastating a once vibrant major carrier as a national security threat?

Kinda scary that these two idjits influence public policy.

look 01-01-2010 02:29 PM

Re: Terrorism, Iran, and Underwear (Spencer Ackerman & Eli Lake)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by piscivorous (Post 144430)
I like BVD Bomber it has sort of a ring to it.

Pretty good, but how about the undiebomber?

AemJeff 01-01-2010 03:34 PM

Re: Terrorism, Iran, and Underwear (Spencer Ackerman & Eli Lake)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by harkin (Post 144513)
Gotta love Attackerman's tweet on the Knickerbomber.

"Some idot set firecrackers off on a jet and were spsed to be afraid of that? Al-Q is a joke"

And Yglesias tries to out-do him:

"Obviously, people shouldn’t be lighting anything on fire inside airplanes. That said, all the big Christmas airline incident really shows to me is how little punch our dread terrorist adversaries really pack. Once again, this seems like a pretty unserious plot. And even if you did manage to blow up an airplane in mid-air, that would be both a very serious crime and a great tragedy, but hardly a first-order national security threat...."

Does Yglesias have any idea as to the financial devastation done by the Lockerbie bomber (just ask Pan-Am)? He doesnt consider mass murder and devastating a once vibrant major carrier as a national security threat?

Kinda scary that these two idjits influence public policy.

Kinda nice that harkin doesn't.

bjkeefe 01-01-2010 04:02 PM

Re: Terrorism, Iran, and Underwear (Spencer Ackerman & Eli Lake)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AemJeff (Post 144519)
Kinda nice that harkin doesn't.

Indeed. FSM save us from the bed-wetters, who are letting the terrorists accomplish the only thing they can even hope to accomplish.

Surprisingly, David Brooks actually makes some sense on this point. (Proving once again, of course, that he is Not A Real Conservative™.)

piscivorous 01-02-2010 01:05 AM

Re: Terrorism, Iran, and Underwear (Spencer Ackerman & Eli Lake)
 
You mean the ones that think reading a book in the first and last hour of flight is sufficient to deter the terrorists. No blankets no pillows no access to the overhead in that same time frame? Then there is the Emily Latel of homeland Security with the "the system worked" well never mind because I was quoted out of context (unless you actually look at the context, which make her look even stupider, than the in context quote) to the final never mind delivered by her boss with his "systemic failure" declaration. I quit flying in 1998/1999 because I was tired of being treated like a bovine being funneled through a sluice, now passengers are treated more like amoebas.

uncle ebeneezer 01-02-2010 02:47 AM

Re: Cleaning Lung!
 
Just wanted to say congrats to Eli for becoming Nicotine-free. Neo Conservatism's first real accomplishment!!!

piscivorous 01-02-2010 03:06 AM

Re: Terrorism, Iran, and Underwear (Spencer Ackerman & Eli Lake)
 
There is nothing like a good Iowahawk perspective on the whole BVD thing. The ability to use some humor to make a point is precious, even about deadly serious issues.

MikeDrew 01-07-2010 07:20 AM

Re: Terrorism, Iran, and Underwear (Spencer Ackerman & Eli Lake)
 
I'm not sure I see why it is utterly inconceivable that in a revolution the IRGC doesn't stay significantly intact and change their spots enough to fit into the new reality. Who's going to take their guns away?


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