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Bloggingheads 10-06-2009 12:00 AM

Worldwise: Central and South East Asia (Sundaa Bridgett Jones & Alanna Shaikh)
 

kidneystones 10-06-2009 01:02 AM

Excellent
 
Welcome to Sundaa and Alanna.

Thanks to both for an interesting and fresh view of some difficult challenges. This link provides a lot of information about Aid programs in Kyrgyztan and other nations. I've no idea how accurate the information is. I also found I had to consult a map to get a decent basic understanding of the geography of the nations discussed.

I don't know if Sundaa and Alanna can provide a few more links, but I'd certainly appreciate any they might care to recommend.

DenvilleSteve 10-06-2009 07:52 AM

Democrats dither while thinly deployed American soldiers get picked off
 
regarding the diavlog, there was mention of community orgainizing in Pakistan. That seems wrong to me on a at least 2 levels. So, whatever.

What are democrats going to do about the American soldiers they have placed on the front lines in Afg? I am sure the strategy of deploying small detachments in remote locations has merit and is an effective counter insurgency tactic. While these detachments can defend themselves under most circumstances, the insurgents appear to have the advantage on the initial attack ( they fire first ) and the ability to overrun the outpost with their superior numbers. In both circumstances, the Americans need to be greater in number in order to better protect themselves. To detect the initial attack we need more monitoring equipment and people. To prevent being overrun, there have to be rapid response reinforcements within xxx distance of all remote outposts.

Why are democrats so unwilling to send in more soldiers? The additional troops would be tasked to defend those who are already in the field. No mission creep. Just less KIA.

Simon Willard 10-06-2009 10:06 AM

Re: Democrats dither while thinly deployed American soldiers get picked off
 
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Originally Posted by DenvilleSteve (Post 132735)
The additional troops would be tasked to defend those who are already in the field. No mission creep. Just less KIA.

Nothing is that simple. More troops means more targets, possibly more KIA.

DenvilleSteve 10-06-2009 10:26 AM

Re: Democrats dither while thinly deployed American soldiers get picked off
 
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Originally Posted by Simon Willard (Post 132738)
Nothing is that simple. More troops means more targets, possibly more KIA.

how do we know that? Is that what Obama thinks? If that is the objection, that more troops means more killed, then you have to replace the commanders. After all, they want more troops.

Obama, Jones and Biden think the way to win in Afg is to intervene with the US military as little as possible. I think there is merit to that. It pushes the Afg government to be more effective. Increasing the number of soldiers does not interfere with that policy. It provides more protection to the troops that are deployed.

Stapler Malone 10-06-2009 10:35 AM

Re: Democrats dither while thinly deployed American soldiers get picked off
 
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Originally Posted by DenvilleSteve (Post 132735)
...Why are democrats so unwilling to send in more soldiers?...

Even in a diavlog explicitly not about military affairs in AfPak, here we go again...

DenvilleSteve 10-06-2009 12:34 PM

Re: Democrats dither while thinly deployed American soldiers get picked off
 
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Originally Posted by Stapler Malone (Post 132740)
Even in a diavlog explicitly not about military affairs in AfPak, here we go again...

it is my opinion democrats are not alarmed by the casualty rate of American soldiers in Afg because few from their ranks serve in the combat arms.

If any from the WH had a personel connection to the soldiers manning those remote outposts would they make different decisions regarding force protection of those locations?

piscivorous 10-06-2009 12:48 PM

Re: Democrats dither while thinly deployed American soldiers get picked off
 
Captain Joseph Robinette "Beau" Biden III.

DenvilleSteve 10-06-2009 01:08 PM

Re: Democrats dither while thinly deployed American soldiers get picked off
 
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Originally Posted by piscivorous (Post 132748)
Captain Joseph Robinette "Beau" Biden III.

it is not the same thing. he serves in the signal corp. http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/9t6No...WUN/Beau+Biden

If you are going to assert the democrats are concerned for the fate of the soldiers on the front lines, then explain why they are denying them the force protection they need.

piscivorous 10-06-2009 01:16 PM

Re: Democrats dither while thinly deployed American soldiers get picked off
 
force protection is not the sine qua non of counter-insurgency; population protection is. A move to a counter-insurgency campaign from the counter-terrorist campaign we are currently conducting will result in higher initial casualty rates no matter the force levels.

PreppyMcPrepperson 10-06-2009 11:26 PM

Re: Worldwise: Central and South East Asia (Sundaa Bridgett Jones & Alanna Shaikh)
 
This diavlog is called "Central and South East Asia." Wrong. Central Asia extends down through Iran. South East Asia starts in Myanmar. What's in between--Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh--is South Asia, and it's culturally and politically a different place from the region's on either side. Indeed, the Himalayan parts of South Asia are culturally and politically different from the coastal parts of South Asia.

The diavloggers used the term South Asia during the chat, but also Southeast, to refer to the area south and east of Iran. That technical error is troubling insofar as our success in the region is premised on understanding what we're dealing with.


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