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uncle ebeneezer 01-08-2010 07:53 PM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
I agree. I usually just respond rather than analyze, but both are fun.

Quote:

There is music that reaches you and takes you to different levels and music that doesn't. Elvis doesn't do it for me... but I wouldn't discourage you to enjoy it all you want.
Some Elvis moves me, some doesn't.

Ken Davis 01-08-2010 08:20 PM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rcocean (Post 145738)
P.S. I've known several middle aged women in the 70s/80s who were Tom Jones fans. Do any men like Tom Jones or Neil Diamond (gag)? I don't.

I like Tom.

AemJeff 01-08-2010 08:47 PM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Davis (Post 145749)

Nice vid. Another reason to like Tom Jones is that he's a cool unpretentious guy with a sense of humor about himself. (See Mars Attacks, for instance.)

uncle ebeneezer 01-08-2010 08:58 PM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
I think Love On the Rocks is a pretty awesome tune (I even cover it with a band and frequently bust it out for karaoke), but generally yeah Neil Diamond is Barbara Streisand with testicles (fanbase consisting almost solely of females or gay men.)

Ocean 01-08-2010 09:23 PM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle ebeneezer (Post 145755)
(fanbase consisting almost solely of females or gay men.)

This fanbase is for Neil or Barbara? ;)

Seriously, there was one song by Neil Diamond that I used to really love, when I was really, really young, but I can't remember which one it is... (age!)

AemJeff 01-08-2010 09:33 PM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle ebeneezer (Post 145755)
I think Love On the Rocks is a pretty awesome tune (I even cover it with a band and frequently bust it out for karaoke), but generally yeah Neil Diamond is Barbara Streisand with testicles (fanbase consisting almost solely of females or gay men.)

His status as a success out of the Brill Building (along with Bacharach, Hal David, Carole King, Leiber and Stoller, etc..., etc...) prevents me from harboring much ill will toward him; though, speaking as a diabetic, I generally need to be sure of an accesible insulin supply when I'm subjected to a performance.

rcocean 01-08-2010 10:34 PM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle ebeneezer (Post 145755)
I think Love On the Rocks is a pretty awesome tune (I even cover it with a band and frequently bust it out for karaoke), but generally yeah Neil Diamond is Barbara Streisand with testicles (fanbase consisting almost solely of females or gay men.)

What, Babs Streisand doesn't have Balls? I'll have to rewatch Yentl - I think I missed something.

chamblee54 01-08-2010 10:51 PM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
Thank for this chat. What better birthday present to Elvis than to promote a book about him.
January 8 was a busy day for the Stork. Not only Mr. Presley, but Gypsy Rose Lee and David Bowie also appeared on this day.
.

basman 01-09-2010 12:41 AM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
Look:

Your link to Little Girl Blue was busted. Try this one: it's a phenomenal version--just redolent with vulnerabilty and heartbreak:

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVpDOIPx_sY

Etta James is da' bomb. Her range is unbelievable: from rockin' out--Tell Mama to classical, beautiful ballads--the great At Last to a truly sensitive reading of Billie Holiday--Mystery Lady: Songs Of Billie Holiday. She's a supreme talent.

bjkeefe 01-09-2010 01:25 AM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ocean (Post 145736)
You can examine art forms analytically if you want. But there is a dimension to art that is essentially emotional and doesn't respond to the kind of argument you make. There is music that reaches you and takes you to different levels and music that doesn't. Elvis doesn't do it for me... but I wouldn't discourage you to enjoy it all you want. ;)

Exactly right. I'm not an Elvis hater. It's just that he never did anything for me.

Maybe I came to him too late, but he never sounded like anything but a self-parody to me, even the early stuff. I can appreciate his contributions intellectually, I suppose, because many people whose taste I otherwise respect love him. But I have never been anything but mystified by the gushing.

uncle ebeneezer 01-09-2010 01:27 AM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
She had balls in Yentl, until the editor's cut (bu-dum-bum!)

bjkeefe 01-09-2010 01:32 AM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by basman (Post 145716)
Gorgeous man, just gorgeous.

Heh. I was just about to use that adjective.

She's got a gorgeous voice, iall right. That "singer-songwriter" sound, though, is too soft for my taste.

bjkeefe 01-09-2010 01:42 AM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chamblee54 (Post 145772)
Thank for this chat. What better birthday present to Elvis than to promote a book about him.
January 8 was a busy day for the Stork. Not only Mr. Presley, but Gypsy Rose Lee and David Bowie also appeared on this day.
.

Please either keep linking to your posts, or better, add your blog's URL* as your sig, to remind me to click over. Always great pictures, and that's just for starters.

==========

* Use the following

[URL="http://chamblee54.wordpress.com/"]Chamblee54[/URL]

which will present as

Chamblee54

as a starting point if you're unsure how to make a link in your sig using this forum's mark-up code. Go through the control panel ("User CP") link. Ask if you want more tech-nerd details, either by PM or here, but I'm guessing you didn't even need the above. But please add the sig. kthxbai.

bjkeefe 01-09-2010 01:46 AM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by basman (Post 145779)
Look:

Your link to Little Girl Blue was busted. Try this one: it's a phenomenal version--just redolent with vulnerabilty and heartbreak:

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVpDOIPx_sY

Or try this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVpDOIPx_sY

which may work marginally better.

;)

Awesome (well, it would have been if someone had taken the arranger outside for a beating) find, though. Thanks. Woman had pipes like almost no one else.

bjkeefe 01-09-2010 02:13 AM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rcocean (Post 145738)
Do any men like Tom Jones or Neil Diamond (gag)? I don't.

On TJ: When I was very young, I loved "What's New Pussycat?"

(Even before it became the soundtrack for a Purina commercial, I think.)

I was going to say Neil Diamond deserves absolution for Song Sung While Cracklin' Rosie's Sweet Caroline Blue (or something) due to procreating Mike D., but the Internets are unsure whether this truthiness has complete wikiality.

Ocean 01-09-2010 09:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 145796)
... , but the Internets are unsure whether this truthiness has complete wikiality.

LOL!

harkin 01-09-2010 09:56 AM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
Quote:

Do any men like Tom Jones or Neil Diamond (gag)? I don't.
Tom Jones was reportedly Elvis' favorite singer. His voice is extrordinary but the material wasn't really my cup of tea.

Neil Diamond is one of those singers who just prompts me to spin the dial.

look 01-09-2010 12:03 PM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by basman (Post 145779)
Look:

Your link to Little Girl Blue was busted. Try this one: it's a phenomenal version--just redolent with vulnerabilty and heartbreak:

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVpDOIPx_sY

Etta James is da' bomb. Her range is unbelievable: from rockin' out--Tell Mama to classical, beautiful ballads--the great At Last to a truly sensitive reading of Billie Holiday--Mystery Lady: Songs Of Billie Holiday. She's a supreme talent.

Thanks, basman (and Brendan). That's great.

One final one for Etta, with Chuck Berry. They're having a ball, especially Chuck:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z2wu...eature=related

propagandhi 01-09-2010 01:27 PM

Re: BOB DYLAN Apollo Diavlog - Takers?
 
How is it not even mentioned that Elvis DIDN'T WRITE HIS OWN MUSIC. Honestly, it made not be the end all to judge a singer on, but it is surely relevant that unlike, say, BOB DYLAN, who at 20 years old was already WRITING and singing songs that would change the hearts of minds of people, Elvis merely sang the melody to songs written for him.

I sent a request to BHTV to take part in a Bob Dylan Diavlog via the Apollo Project, can i get some support for this? Is there a Bob Dylan skeptic out there who would want to chat about this, or a fellow supporter who thinks two minds together could make our case?

basman 01-09-2010 01:53 PM

Re: BOB DYLAN Apollo Diavlog - Takers?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by propagandhi (Post 145837)
How is it not even mentioned that Elvis DIDN'T WRITE HIS OWN MUSIC. Honestly, it made not be the end all to judge a singer on, but it is surely relevant that unlike, say, BOB DYLAN, who at 20 years old was already WRITING and singing songs that would change the hearts of minds of people, Elvis merely sang the melody to songs written for him.

I sent a request to BHTV to take part in a Bob Dylan Diavlog via the Apollo Project, can i get some support for this? Is there a Bob Dylan skeptic out there who would want to chat about this, or a fellow supporter who thinks two minds together could make our case?

Lemme know, jrking123@gmail.com

Might I politely suggest that it is entirely irrelevant to Elvis's greatness or not greatness as a singer that he didn't write any songs, this strange point--song writing as a criterion by which to judge performing greatness or not--having been made somewhere above. It's akin to saying Glenn Gould was not a great musician because he composed nothing or that Aaron Copland was a greater musician than Glenn Gould because Copland composed music. That argument, respectfully, seems confused.

Itzik Basman (not to be confused with Itzik Basman)

AemJeff 01-09-2010 02:07 PM

Re: BOB DYLAN Apollo Diavlog - Takers?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by basman (Post 145841)
Might I politely suggest that it is entirely irrelevant to Elvis's greatness or not greatness as a singer that he didn't write any songs, this strange point--song writing as a criterion by which to judge performing greatness or not--having been made somewhere above. It's akin to saying Glenn Gould was not a great musician because he composed nothing or that Aaron Copland was a greater musician than Glenn Gould because Copland composed music. That argument, respectfully, seems confused.

Itzik Basman (not to be confused with Itzik Basman)

Clearly, judging somebody as a singer or as a songwriter are two different things based on separate standards. The "singer/songwriter" didn't even show up as a distinct option until just about... Bob Dylan. Applying that standard to Elvis is an anachronism, and misses the clear, logical point just made by basman - you don't judge somebody's performances based on their songwriting skills.

harkin 01-09-2010 03:54 PM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by basman
Might I politely suggest that it is entirely irrelevant to Elvis's greatness or not greatness as a singer.......

In the catagories of singer and performer, Elvis really stands at the top along with very few others.

When I listen to those I think of as the greatest singers of all time (e.g. Patsy Cline, Nat King Cole, Frank Sinatra, Billie Holiday) the fact that they only co-wrote at best a few songs never impedes my enjoyment when I listen to them sing.

Another thing to remember is the originality that Presley brought to his performances. Yes, Cab Calloway and others had danced and gyrated while they sang but this was something completely new.

"His energy was incredible, his instinct was just amazing. ... I just didnít know what to make of it. There was just no reference point in the culture to compare it." - Roy Orbison on seeing Presley live at age 19.

basman 01-09-2010 06:25 PM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
"...Another thing to remember is the originality that Presley brought to his performances. Yes, Cab Calloway and others had danced and gyrated while they sang but this was something completely new..."

I'm not so sure about this. What I have read, some time ago, was that Elvis got both his performance clothes style and his stage dancing/gyrating style from the local black performers who played in clubs on and around Beale Street.

...The "singer/songwriter" didn't even show up as a distinct option until just about... Bob Dylan...

Hank Williams?

He just didn't make such a big deal about the great, great songs he wrote. Plus he died way too young.

Interesting question now is whether we can consider Dylan's "anthemic" songs like the The Times They Are A-Changin' and Like a Rolling Stone "anthemic" still. They sure were for me and my friends in the sixties. But today: I wonder? I can see the the question being argued both ways. One argument contra: who sings them nowadays; where are they played and sung?

Itzik Basman (not to be confused with Itzik Basman)

AemJeff 01-09-2010 06:28 PM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by basman (Post 145879)
"...Another thing to remember is the originality that Presley brought to his performances. Yes, Cab Calloway and others had danced and gyrated while they sang but this was something completely new..."

I'm not so sure about this. What I have read, some time ago, was that Elvis got both his performance clothes style and his stage dancing/gyrating style from the local black performers who played in clubs on and around Beale Street.

...The "singer/songwriter" didn't even show up as a distinct option until just about... Bob Dylan...

Hank Williams?

He just didn't make such a big deal about the great, great songs he wrote. Plus he died way too young.

Interesting question now is whether we can consider Dylan's "anthemic" songs like the The Times They Are A-Changin' and Like a Rolling Stone "anthemic" still. They sure were for me and my friends in the sixties. But today: I wonder? I can see the the question being argued both ways? One argument contra: who sings them nowadays; where are they played and sung?

Itzik Basman (not to be confused with Itzik Basman)

Doh! You're right about Williams - he pretty much created the mold.

rcocean 01-09-2010 06:37 PM

Re: BOB DYLAN Apollo Diavlog - Takers?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AemJeff (Post 145843)
Clearly, judging somebody as a singer or as a songwriter are two different things based on separate standards. The "singer/songwriter" didn't even show up as a distinct option until just about... Bob Dylan. Applying that standard to Elvis is an anachronism, and misses the clear, logical point just made by basman - you don't judge somebody's performances based on their songwriting skills.

Dylan is a singer? I thought he just mumbled.

AemJeff 01-09-2010 06:43 PM

Re: BOB DYLAN Apollo Diavlog - Takers?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rcocean (Post 145881)
Dylan is a singer? I thought he just mumbled.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OyekdHf4Hs

look 01-09-2010 07:05 PM

Re: BOB DYLAN Apollo Diavlog - Takers?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AemJeff (Post 145882)

Damn. Thanks for adding to my education.

a- LOL
b-this is the first time I've thought him to be handsome
c-his look and style here remind me of Adam Sandler
d-must forward to son

AemJeff 01-09-2010 07:07 PM

Re: BOB DYLAN Apollo Diavlog - Takers?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by look (Post 145894)
Damn. Thanks for adding to my education.

a- LOL
b-this is the first time I've thought him to be handsome
c-his look and style here remind me of Adam Sandler
d-must forward to son

:)

look 01-09-2010 07:08 PM

Re: Blue Suede Diavlog (Robert Wright & Mark Alan Stamaty)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by basman (Post 145879)
"...Another thing to remember is the originality that Presley brought to his performances. Yes, Cab Calloway and others had danced and gyrated while they sang but this was something completely new..."

I'm not so sure about this. What I have read, some time ago, was that Elvis got both his performance clothes style and his stage dancing/gyrating style from the local black performers who played in clubs on and around Beale Street.

...The "singer/songwriter" didn't even show up as a distinct option until just about... Bob Dylan...

Hank Williams?

He just didn't make such a big deal about the great, great songs he wrote. Plus he died way too young.

Interesting question now is whether we can consider Dylan's "anthemic" songs like the The Times They Are A-Changin' and Like a Rolling Stone "anthemic" still. They sure were for me and my friends in the sixties. But today: I wonder? I can see the the question being argued both ways. One argument contra: who sings them nowadays; where are they played and sung?

Itzik Basman (not to be confused with Itzik Basman)

I gave my son The Essential Bob Dylan a few years ago, and we usually listen to it on long trips, but I wouldn't guess they are anthemic for him, but nostalgic and cool.

look 01-09-2010 07:42 PM

And now for something completely different
 
Dark and silent late last night
I think I might have heard the highway calling
Geese in flight and dogs that bite...

AemJeff 01-09-2010 07:57 PM

Re: And now for something completely different
 
I'm a fan, too. This is also a Tom Waits cover, which definitely make it a two-fer from my POV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UktYJFxj5PA

basman 01-09-2010 08:06 PM

Re: right back atcha'
 
Right back atcha': (except for the dulcet tones; he wrote it.)

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVZmSEpuJtg

and another version (even though the sound's crappy even for YouTube):

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?...eature=related

Itzik Basman

TwinSwords 01-09-2010 08:33 PM

Re: And now for something completely different
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AemJeff (Post 145906)
Tom Waits

Indeed.

AemJeff 01-09-2010 09:25 PM

Re: And now for something completely different
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TwinSwords (Post 145914)

Heh. "Don't you know there ain't no Devil, there's just God When He's drunk!"

-Tom Waits ("Heartattack and Vine"/Heartattack and Vine)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C49H3aWdiK8

Ocean 01-09-2010 09:53 PM

Re: And now for something completely different
 
Is it allowed to free-associate?

Two for one.

TwinSwords 01-09-2010 10:04 PM

Re: And now for something completely different
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AemJeff (Post 145921)
Heh. "Don't you know there ain't no Devil, there's just God When He's drunk!"

-Tom Waits ("Heartattack and Vine"/Heartattack and Vine)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C49H3aWdiK8

Great song - thanks. And from the same album:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3elb...eature=related

Damn, this is reminding me of how much I loved smoking.

TwinSwords 01-09-2010 10:07 PM

Speaking of singing ....
 
You know who can sing?

Aaron Neville. That's who.

AemJeff 01-09-2010 10:09 PM

Re: And now for something completely different
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ocean (Post 145926)
Is it allowed to free-associate?

Two for one.

Perfect! btw, Taylor appears on Young's "Harvest" album (released in '71) singing backing vocals and playing "banjo-guitar" on a cut or two.

AemJeff 01-09-2010 10:22 PM

Re: And now for something completely different
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TwinSwords (Post 145929)
...

Damn, this is reminding me of how much I loved smoking.

Yeah, me too... I take consolation in the fact that he quit long before I did (but, I never made it look so good.)

Ocean 01-09-2010 10:22 PM

Re: And now for something completely different
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AemJeff (Post 145932)
Perfect! btw, Taylor appears on Young's "Harvest" album (released in '71) singing backing vocals and playing "banjo-guitar" on a cut or two.

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As we get closer to the first anniversary...


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