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Bloggingheads 02-11-2010 08:39 AM

An Icy Hell (Robert Wright & Joel Achenbach)
 

tahitiwahini 02-11-2010 10:24 AM

Re: An Icy Hell (Robert Wright & Joel Achenbach)
 
Wow, this was a really painful diavlog to listen to. Normally I find both Bob and Joel to be quite entertaining and on a good day funny (in a droll sort of way). Maybe it was due to all the technical difficulties. The thing just never really gelled for me.

Ocean 02-11-2010 10:32 AM

Re: An Icy Hell (Robert Wright & Joel Achenbach)
 
Hilarious! Joel's histrionics at their best!

I agree that Bob should be called Robert instead. It gives him a je ne sais quoi.

I found the comments about the automatic antagonism that Obama is encountering very much on target. Their conversation about the new plans for NASA was, if not necessarily informative, at least a good summary of their essence. And the whole thing was pervasively infiltrated by humor!

Bob should have Joel more often on BhTV.

By the way, don't miss the video with Frazier and Milo playing on the snow.

Simon Willard 02-11-2010 11:09 AM

Re: An Icy Hell (Robert Wright & Joel Achenbach)
 
Bob contemplates mortality.

Me&theboys 02-11-2010 11:43 AM

battle of the blizzards
 
Wow. Dallas this morning looks like Bob's back yard. 5" and counting. But unlike NJ, the snow will all be gone from here by Saturday.

uncle ebeneezer 02-11-2010 12:19 PM

Re: An Icy Hell (Robert Wright & Joel Achenbach)
 
Oh man. My favorite bh combo and I won't be able to watch it until (at LEAST) Saturday.

Ocean 02-11-2010 12:49 PM

Re: An Icy Hell (Robert Wright & Joel Achenbach)
 
I hope Robert got power (electricity!) back. There are more than 100,000 people without it in the Philadelphia and surrounding areas.

I just read a news report and couldn't resist posting what makes human nature wonderful: finding humor in even the most adverse situations.

Quote:

...

But the news wasn't all bad. Washington has not had a homicide in a week. Ski areas were doing brisk business, when people could get to them. And private contractors were making money plowing driveways and parking lots.

But many people were just ready for the ordeal to end.

In a yard in Westmont, N.J., someone used bright orange paint to scrawl nature a message on a white backdrop: "Dear Mr Frost," it read. "We're good w/ snow."

___

look 02-11-2010 12:53 PM

Heh
 
This was the funniest Bob/Joel since the first one.

Bob, you're very funny, but you're the straight man, so please stop stepping on Joel's lines.

AemJeff 02-11-2010 12:55 PM

Re: Heh
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by look (Post 150559)
This was the funniest Bob/Joel since the first one.

Bob, you're very funny, but you're the straight man, so please stop stepping on Joel's lines.

Isn't that part of the fun? These guys are all about the mutual undermining.

look 02-11-2010 12:59 PM

Re: Heh
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AemJeff (Post 150560)
Isn't that part of the fun? These guys are all about the mutial undermining.

It's just too freqent. There's repartee, and there's stepping on good lines. For example, the last few seconds when Joel says he'll say nice things about Bob when he's gone, and is going to add more, Bob steps on it.

Ocean 02-11-2010 01:07 PM

Re: An Icy Hell (Robert Wright & Joel Achenbach)
 
Hmmm... talking about Ahmadinejad and religious power:

Quote:


Ahmadinejad Bucks Religious Establishment

In a country where obedience to the ayatollahs is expected, Iran's president is finding another way.
....

In his efforts to undercut the religious basis of the clerics' political authority, Ahmadinejad has begun emphasizing "pragmatic values" in governance. When addressing an Iranian university in November, Mashaei took the attack on the mullahs' authority much further: "God does not unify humans…[because] each person's [notion of] God varies from the God of others based on individual understanding." His words, it was quickly noted by aghast ayatollahs, are blasphemous under Islamic law and therefore punishable by death. Rebukes by Shiite leaders fell on deaf ears in the executive branch.

uncle ebeneezer 02-11-2010 01:36 PM

Re: Heh
 
I would imagine that their inability to see one another has alot to do with that. (Though Jeff knows better having done an Apollo project or 2). Part of wit is indeed in the quickness. So they can't hang back and wait too much when they have a funny thought. I haven't watched this one yet, but I often enjoy their overlapping quips. Can't wait to watch.

listener 02-11-2010 04:44 PM

Re: An Icy Hell (Robert Wright & Joel Achenbach)
 
I spent much of the diavlog trying to figure out if Robert and Joel were funny or just plain silly... in the end, I would say that I was amused by their constant efforts to undermine and belittle each other. My favorite line was Robert, after making a particularly cutting remark, saying to Joel something like, "I sensed a vulnerability and thought I'd exploit it. You okay with that?"

Starwatcher162536 02-11-2010 05:52 PM

No Fusion, no Mars, no point for Constellation.
 
Mars? Is going there even remotely possible without a working fusion reactor? I'm thinking probably not.

Cosmic Rays. Ionizing radiation disassociates a hydrogen atom from a water molecule in your cell, now there is a rather mean spirited hydroxide in your cell which immediately proceeds to open up a chemical can of whoop ass on your DNA. On the whole, I bet a rather unpleasant experience.

We could use material shielding, of course bankrupting the entire western world hauling up (I'm being literal here) 500+ tons of ethylene has been seen by some as not a very optimal solution.

We could use an EM field, but It would have to be one hardcore EM field, I'm thinking like 30 tesla min, and big enough so at least one person could live in it for awhile. I am not sure how to calculate the energy requirements, but whatever it is, it would be massive. Sorry, no offense Osmium, but I don't think your up to the challenge, so batteries aren't an option.

Of course, things become alot easier if we are content to get a corpse to mars. We would still technically be sending a human to Mars. I nominate Dick Cheney.

TwinSwords 02-11-2010 06:02 PM

Re: Heh
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle ebeneezer (Post 150567)
I would imagine that their inability to see one another has alot to do with that.

Yeah, exactly. Not to mention, it's a conversation, not a performance. If they rehearsed it for weeks before recording it, perhaps then the timing would be perfect. Alas, this is real life, not theater.

Markos 02-11-2010 06:34 PM

Re: An Icy Hell (Robert Wright & Joel Achenbach)
 
I vote FOR this diavlog. It was very enjoyable.

look 02-11-2010 07:04 PM

Re: Heh
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle ebeneezer (Post 150567)
I would imagine that their inability to see one another has alot to do with that. (Though Jeff knows better having done an Apollo project or 2). Part of wit is indeed in the quickness. So they can't hang back and wait too much when they have a funny thought. I haven't watched this one yet, but I often enjoy their overlapping quips. Can't wait to watch.

Let us know what you think...I just think Bob, funny as he is, could lay back bit and leave some space.

look 02-11-2010 07:12 PM

Re: Heh
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TwinSwords (Post 150580)
Yeah, exactly. Not to mention, it's a conversation, not a performance. If they rehearsed it for weeks before recording it, perhaps then the timing would be perfect. Alas, this is real life, not theater.

Alas. As you have the subtlety of a Chia Pet, I'm not surprised you could not understand my point, and would have been even more surprised if you had tried.

themightypuck 02-11-2010 08:17 PM

Interplanetary Cowboy
 
Robert Wright. Asteroid Cowboy

Baltimoron 02-11-2010 08:41 PM

Space: the Financial Frontier.
 
Bob Wright: "Someone needs to cast it in more inspirational terms."

With all respect to Joel Achenbach, Phil Plait makes a privatized, science-based space program sound attainable, profitable, and scientific, and still dealing with the complications. Achenbach;s humor is just not as infectious as Plait's, and Plait has more cred as a science popularizer. Achenbach's fixation with the romance of humans in space highlights exactly why NASA will probably get a budget that wastes taxpayer money and human resources.

themightypuck 02-11-2010 08:44 PM

Whoa!! Sh*t!!
 
Lights Out Potty Mouth Hope Bob has his power back or gets it back soon. Achenbach totally won the blizzard competition up to that point and then Bob killed it. It was pretty impressive how Bob finished up the dvlog.

propagandhi 02-11-2010 10:10 PM

Re: An Icy Hell (Robert Wright & Joel Achenbach)
 
I was literally laughing out loud at the beginning.

ledocs 02-12-2010 04:16 AM

Re: An Icy Hell (Robert Wright & Joel Achenbach)
 
It's droll, but also monotonous. I would like to have heard them actually discuss aging rather than just referring to it, since this is something very much on my own mind.

On the NASA stuff, I did not find the "discussion" serious in any way. Why, for example, does NASA have to say where we're going next? How about nowhere? Maybe they should invert things and figure out how to travel to the center of the earth. I'm for space travel that advances theoretical physics and cosmology, i.e. probably unmanned flight, and even then it depends upon the price tag. Hubbell telescope yes, manned flights to Mars no. This idea of a manned colony on Mars is so preposterous.

It's not that I'm humorless, far from it. But Robert has a tendency to get into schtick with Joel and Mickey and it just becomes tedious after a while. More precisely, I would prefer more substance and less schtick, and the humor would probably be more effective, at least for me.

Here's a question. How much like this are the off-camera relationships of these pairs? I'm guessing that there is some competitive teasing, but nothing like the antics that go on on camera. It's a performance. That's OK, and perhaps inevitable, but I don't click on these things to watch an improvised sitcom. As I say, this sort of humor would be more effective in smaller doses and intermixed with some actual emotional depth, if they leveled with us about the psychology of aging, for example.

If I want to watch a sitcom, I'll watch "Curb Your Enthusiasm."

Florian 02-12-2010 05:31 AM

Re: No Fusion, no Mars, no point for Constellation.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Starwatcher162536 (Post 150578)
Of course, things become alot easier if we are content to get a corpse to mars. We would still technically be sending a human to Mars. I nominate Dick Cheney.

I second that..... Thanks for pointing out that science and science fiction are unrelated activities.

Given the present financial condition of the United States and all the other problems facing mankind, talking about the colonization of Mars struck me as an exercise in the silliest kind of escapism. Inspired by Avatar perhaps?

Baltimoron 02-12-2010 08:01 AM

Re: No Fusion, no Mars, no point for Constellation.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Florian (Post 150614)
Given the present financial condition of the United States and all the other problems facing mankind, talking about the colonization of Mars struck me as an exercise in the silliest kind of escapism. Inspired by Avatar perhaps?

It's a symptom related to the nationalistic fervor churned up by the Olympics.

osmium 02-12-2010 08:28 AM

Trained killer
 
I watched the youtube videos of the dogs, and I'm happy I understand now that Frazier is vicious, vicious I tell you.

Ocean 02-12-2010 08:34 AM

Re: Trained killer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by osmium (Post 150618)
I watched the youtube videos of the dogs, and I'm happy I understand now that Frazier is vicious, vicious I tell you.

Indeed!

grits-n-gravy 02-12-2010 10:41 AM

Re: Againstness
 
Robert and Joel underestimate Obama's own role in fueling the climate of "againstness", particularly from his own supporters. Tim Dickinson's piece in Rolling Stones Magazine, No We Can't, describes exactly how Obama and his advisors undermined one of the most successful and potentially powerful grassroots campaign organizations by turning it into an arm of the DNC. That's not change we can believe. I'm AGAINST that!

tahitiwahini 02-12-2010 11:01 AM

Re: An Icy Hell (Robert Wright & Joel Achenbach)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ledocs (Post 150613)
It's not that I'm humorless, far from it. But Robert has a tendency to get into schtick with Joel and Mickey and it just becomes tedious after a while. More precisely, I would prefer more substance and less schtick, and the humor would probably be more effective, at least for me.

I agree.

However, the chemistry between Bob and Mickey works for me whereas this one doesn't. I think Bob and Mickey bring out the best in each other. Here not so much.

Also the Bob/Mickey efforts usually seem to be about something substantive. Although I'm sure someone could bring up exceptions to that, I think it's generally true.

bjkeefe 02-12-2010 03:01 PM

Re: No Fusion, no Mars, no point for Constellation.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Starwatcher162536 (Post 150578)
Of course, things become alot easier if we are content to get a corpse to mars. We would still technically be sending a human to Mars. I nominate Dick Cheney.

On a related note (last line) ...

And see also.

Florian 02-12-2010 05:35 PM

Re: No Fusion, no Mars, no point for Constellation.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bjkeefe (Post 150653)
On a related note (last line) ...

And see also.

Mars or bust....or Mars and busts?

Starwatcher162536 02-12-2010 06:08 PM

Re: An Icy Hell (Robert Wright & Joel Achenbach)
 
I agree. I will be disappointed if this diavlog takes up the discussion about NASA slot here on bloggingheads.

BornAgainDemocrat 02-12-2010 08:21 PM

Laughter as a form of employment.
 
If all else fails these two can do a stand-up comedy routine.

look 02-12-2010 08:38 PM

Re: Laughter as a form of employment.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BornAgainDemocrat (Post 150705)
If all else fails these two can do a stand-up comedy routine.

I just flew in from Philadelphia, and boy are my arms tired!

look 02-12-2010 08:46 PM

Re: Againstness
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grits-n-gravy (Post 150620)
Robert and Joel underestimate Obama's own role in fueling the climate of "againstness", particularly from his own supporters. Tim Dickinson's piece iolling Stones Magazine, No We Can't, describes exactly how Obama and his advisors undermined one of the most successful and potentially powerful grassroots campaign organizations by turning it into an arm of the DNC. That's not change we can believe. I'm AGAINST that!

Thanks for the interesting article. I'm always puzzled when analysts opine that it's Obama's advisers or party that are leading him astray. He is one savvy political animal. As Mom said today:

Quote:

The political class this week blamed it on the Chicago Mafia, the longtime Obama friends and associates who surround him in the Oval Office. But even that doesn't explain it. What did they do wrong? And why do people think Mr. Obama's advisers are different from Mr. Obama?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...elowLEFTSecond

look 02-12-2010 08:49 PM

Re: No Fusion, no Mars, no point for Constellation.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Florian (Post 150672)
Mars or bust....or Mars and busts?

Can I still call you Franc, Franc?

What a colossal waste of money, going to Mars. Even the movies about it are stupid. Except for Total Recall.

grits-n-gravy 02-12-2010 09:44 PM

Re: Againstness
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by look (Post 150714)
Thanks for the interesting article. I'm always puzzled when analysts opine that it's Obama's advisers or party that are leading him astray. He is one savvy political animal. [/URL]

Yep. Savvy, but as political scientist Adolph Reed, Jr. put it, vacuous in terms of a real progressive agenda. He's a political opportunist, not a movement or visionary leader.

look 02-12-2010 10:09 PM

Re: Againstness
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grits-n-gravy (Post 150724)
Yep. Savvy, but as political scientist Adolph Reed, Jr. put it, vacuous in terms of a real progressive agenda. He's a political opportunist, not a movement or visionary leader.

I don't know. I still have not figured him out. An opportunist with a heart of gold?

Florian 02-13-2010 03:40 AM

Re: No Fusion, no Mars, no point for Constellation.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by look (Post 150715)
Can I still call you Franc, Franc?

What a colossal waste of money, going to Mars. Even the movies about it are stupid. Except for Total Recall.

So you dislike florian? It sounds better in French than in English. It is the name of one of my nephews.

Pronunciation (approximate) flowreeeahn. R should be slighty rolled and the final an nasilized.

Francoamerican is unavailable for comment.

look 02-13-2010 10:07 AM

Re: No Fusion, no Mars, no point for Constellation.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Florian (Post 150756)
So you dislike florian? It sounds better in French than in English. It is the name of one of my nephews.

Pronunciation (approximate) flowreeeahn. R should be slighty rolled and the final an nasilized.

Francoamerican is unavailable for comment.

I get set in my ways.

So if I sound like I'm hacking up a furball, I've gone too far?


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