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Don Zeko
07-17-2011, 07:42 PM
When you make James Fallows (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/07/the-most-incredible-thing-fox-news-has-ever-done/242037/) shrill (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/07/more-on-the-most-incredible-fox-news-travesty/242040/), you've done something wrong:

Via Erik Wemple of the Washington Post, the simply unbelievable Fox and Friends segment below. It's about the News of the World hacking scandal....

Watch, if you can stand to. They roll out some expert, Bob Dilenschneider, to say how hacking is a big problem. It's happened at the Pentagon. It's happened at Citibank. It's happened at the News of the World. When are we going to get serious about it?

HEY, WAIT A MINUTE!!! Citibank and the Pentagon were the hackees -- the objects of hacking, by criminals or spies. Murdoch's News of the World was the hacker -- the perpetrator, the criminal-or-spy counterpart.

I submit that this could not happen at any other news organization. Rather, it could not happen at a news organization. It happened at the agitprop operation known as Fox News.

bjkeefe
07-17-2011, 11:20 PM
When you make James Fallows (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/07/the-most-incredible-thing-fox-news-has-ever-done/242037/) shrill (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/07/more-on-the-most-incredible-fox-news-travesty/242040/), you've done something wrong:

Agreed. And I liked that bit you excerpted. But he punted a bit in the conclusion of his second post:

It's become conventional wisdom in the UK to say that this episode could lead to a fundamental rethinking of the interactions among press, politicians, lobbyists and interest groups, and even police. On what we know, the depth of the snarl and corruption in England far exceed any related effects in the United States. [...]

Beltwayer, please.

bjkeefe
07-18-2011, 10:10 AM
Bonus fun fact:

In the case of News America Marketing, its obscure but profitable in-store and newspaper insert marketing business, the News Corporation has paid out about $655 million to make embarrassing charges of corporate espionage and anticompetitive behavior go away.

And, from the same article (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/18/business/media/for-news-corporation-troubles-that-money-cant-dispel.html?pagewanted=all):

News America was led by Paul V. Carlucci, who, according to Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2005/1031/066.html), used to show the sales staff the scene in “The Untouchables” in which Al Capone beats a man to death with a baseball bat. Mr. Emmel testified that Mr. Carlucci was clear about the guiding corporate philosophy.

According to Mr. Emmel’s testimony, Mr. Carlucci said that if there were employees uncomfortable with the company’s philosophy — “bed-wetting liberals in particular was the description he used” Mr. Emmel testified — then he could arrange to have those employees “outplaced from the company.”

Eh, "was led," amirite? Surely that was in the past and this one of the proverbial few bad apples was long since shown the door by the esteemed Mr. Murdoch.

So what became of him? Mr. Carlucci, as it happens, became the publisher of The New York Post in 2005 and continues to serve as head of News America, which doesn’t exactly square with Mr. Murdoch’s recently stated desire to “absolutely establish our integrity in the eyes of the public.”

A representative for the News Corporation did not respond to a request for comment.

Never mind.

stephanie
07-18-2011, 11:20 AM
When you make James Fallows (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/07/the-most-incredible-thing-fox-news-has-ever-done/242037/) shrill (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/07/more-on-the-most-incredible-fox-news-travesty/242040/), you've done something wrong:

Heh. Fallows seems to actually be surprised that Fox could be so cynical and dishonest. It seems typical of that program to me.

Don Zeko
07-18-2011, 11:51 AM
Heh. Fallows seems to actually be surprised that Fox could be so cynical and dishonest. It seems typical of that program to me.

I think I can understand his shock. I think a useful way to explain this is to imagine what Fox employees are thinking or saying at the editorial meeting or whatever that led to this segment. With most of Fox's output, one could easily imagine that the people producing content aren't explicitly operating in a dishonest way, they're just all conservatives who share views about the liberal media, counterbalancing, or what have you. Sure, it leads to the propaganda masquerading as journalism that Fox produces, but the people involved can still tell themselves that they are honest journalists.

That doesn't fly with this segment. Implying that News of the World was the victim rather than the perpetrator of this hacking scandal requires Fox employees to be sitting around actively plotting to misinform their audience. That's a shocking level of cynicism, even for Fox.

stephanie
07-18-2011, 01:12 PM
That's a shocking level of cynicism, even for Fox.

Having seen the Fox & Friends show, it's pretty much what I would have expected, and I'm not at all minimizing how disgusting and dishonest I think it is by saying that. I'm also not disagreeing with your larger point.

But I don't think that Fox is people doing journalism who happen to be conservatives, for the most part. I think it's quite different in kind. When you add in the Murodch connection, well, again, depressing and despicable, but not surprising.

Ocean
07-18-2011, 08:44 PM
But I don't think that Fox is people doing journalism who happen to be conservatives, for the most part. I think it's quite different in kind. When you add in the Murodch connection, well, again, depressing and despicable, but not surprising.

Yes, I share that feeling.

JonIrenicus
07-20-2011, 04:16 PM
this was discussed in the John Batchelor show here


http://wabcradio.com/getpodcast.aspx?sid=33447&lid=5145&id=2240068&source=1&url=http://podloc.andomedia.com/dloadTrack.mp3?prm=10803xhttp://podfuse-dl.andomedia.com/800185/podfuse-origin.andomedia.com/citadel_origin/pods/WABC/WABC-Batchelor/jbs_071811c.mp3



David Carr is the first guest, but the second guest from the atlantic is the one that talks about the fox news reaction. specific area after 14m, stop around 18 minutes unless you want to hear about Bob Dylan

bjkeefe
07-20-2011, 08:50 PM
When you make James Fallows (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/07/the-most-incredible-thing-fox-news-has-ever-done/242037/) shrill (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/07/more-on-the-most-incredible-fox-news-travesty/242040/), you've done something wrong:

And now for some data, courtesy of Pew's PEJ (http://www.journalism.org/numbers_report/fnc_trails_far_behind_rivals_murdoch_coverage):

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6452/newswhatnews.png

You might also be interested in a related post from the PEJ: "The Wall Street Journal under Rupert Murdoch (http://www.journalism.org/commentary_backgrounder/wall_street_journal_under_rupert_murdoch)."