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Wonderment
02-18-2011, 05:28 PM
We are looking at the probability of a 14-1 Security Council vote on Israeli Settlements. Voting in favor will be China, France, Russia, UK, Bosnia/Herzegovina, Brazil, Colombia, Gabon, Germany, India, Lebanon, Nigeria, Portugal and South Africa.

Voting against and vetoing will be the USA. (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/abbas-rejects-u-s-request-to-withdraw-un-settlement-resolution-1.344294)

This is not a done deal yet, but getting close.

Wonderment
02-18-2011, 05:30 PM
UPDATE:

Done. 14-1.

The resolution also had 120 co-sponsoring nations.

operative
02-18-2011, 05:31 PM
Does this mean you're going to stop supporting Obama?

Don Zeko
02-18-2011, 05:34 PM
Has Wonderment ever been an Obama supporter?

operative
02-18-2011, 05:37 PM
Has Wonderment ever been an Obama supporter?

I've interpreted past posts of his as expressing support of Obama.

Wonderment
02-18-2011, 05:43 PM
Has Wonderment ever been an Obama supporter?

I campaigned for Obama and voted for him. I fully expect to vote for him again in 2012.

The UN video of the Security Council member discussion of the failed resolution is still live here. (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/watch-live-un-security-council-vote-on-settlement-resolution-1.344331)

operative
02-18-2011, 05:44 PM
I campaigned for Obama and voted for him. I fully expect to vote for him again in 2012.
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Rats, I thought there was one fewer Obama voter :(

Don Zeko
02-18-2011, 05:46 PM
Rats, I thought there was one fewer Obama voter :(

Hey, nominate a Republicans that's to Obama's left on foreign policy and you might get him after all.

chiwhisoxx
02-18-2011, 05:57 PM
Has Wonderment ever been an Obama supporter?

Pretty sure "voting for and actively campaigning for" qualifies as a supporter. Calling him out on things he thinks the President hasn't done right doesn't make him a heretic or non believer, it makes him honest.

Ocean
02-18-2011, 05:58 PM
Pretty sure "voting for and actively campaigning for" qualifies as a supporter. Calling him out on things he thinks the President hasn't done right doesn't make him a heretic or non believer, it makes him honest.

On occasion, one wonders about Wonderment. ;)

operative
02-18-2011, 06:29 PM
Hey, nominate a Republicans that's to Obama's left on foreign policy and you might get him after all.

There's hope for Ron Paul yet.

bjkeefe
02-18-2011, 08:24 PM
There's hope for Ron Paul yet.

Well, there is at least the never-ending comedy of the catfights between the wingnuts (http://rogerailes.blogspot.com/2011/02/libertarians-are-new-new-black-panther.html) and the Paultards (http://rogerailes.blogspot.com/2011/02/libertarian-fever-catch-it-and-watch.html).

Wonderment
02-18-2011, 08:48 PM
This was not only the first Obama SC veto, it's the first US veto since 2006, when Bush was on the wrong side of a 10-1 decision to green light the Israeli invasion of Gaza and the Beit Hanoun massacre of civilians.

Also noteworthy is the option Obama had to abstain rather than veto this resolution.

The USA under Carter, for example, abstained on U.N. Security Council Resolution 446 which found the Settlements illegal under international law ("no legal validity"). 446 passed 12-zip, which the US, UK and Norway abstaining.

look
02-18-2011, 09:24 PM
Pretty sure "voting for and actively campaigning for" qualifies as a supporter. Calling him out on things he thinks the President hasn't done right doesn't make him a heretic or non believer, it makes him honest.
Yep, Wondie calls 'um likes he sees 'um.

Don Zeko
02-18-2011, 10:17 PM
Pretty sure "voting for and actively campaigning for" qualifies as a supporter. Calling him out on things he thinks the President hasn't done right doesn't make him a heretic or non believer, it makes him honest.

Ok, ok. I didn't remember him discussing his vote around here.

opposable_crumbs
02-18-2011, 10:59 PM
Obama is against the illegal settlements the same way he against Arab dictatorships. He brought the hope, but AIPAC has the change.

Speaking of the invasion of Gaza, Andrew Sullivan hi-lighted this Wikileaks regarding the ceasefire which preceded Operation Cast Lead.

Hacham said the Israelis assess that Hamas is making a serious effort to convince the other factions not to launch rockets or mortars. Israel remains concerned by Hamas' ongoing efforts to use the Tahdiya [ceasefire] to increase their strength, and at some point, military action will have to be put back on the table. The Israelis reluctantly admit that the Tahdiya [ceasefire] has served to further consolidate Hamas' grip on Gaza, but it has brought a large measure of peace and quiet to Israeli communities near Gaza.



http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/02/the-gaza-memo.html

chiwhisoxx
02-18-2011, 11:29 PM
Ok, ok. I didn't remember him discussing his vote around here.

Yar. That post seemed more hostile towards you than I intended. My frustration is more with those that assume that you have to cheerlead for your guy/team 24/7, and I know you aren't one of those people.

bjkeefe
02-19-2011, 12:39 AM
Well, there is at least the never-ending comedy of the catfights between the wingnuts (http://rogerailes.blogspot.com/2011/02/libertarians-are-new-new-black-panther.html) and the Paultards (http://rogerailes.blogspot.com/2011/02/libertarian-fever-catch-it-and-watch.html).

The comedy continues (http://instaputz.blogspot.com/2011/02/stalinist-purges-on-right.html):

A prominent conservative activist group has given Ron Paul the boot.

The Young Americans for Freedom has voted the Texas congressman off its national advisory board in the aftermath of his straw poll win at CPAC over his positions on national security issues.

Orwell smiled.

Wonderment
02-19-2011, 09:06 PM
Protest at the US Embassy (http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=208943)against the 14-1 UN Security Council draft resolution against the Settlements.

One protester, 68-year-old Beate Zilversmidt from Holon, held a sign reading “Obama: A real friend doesn’t let me drive drunk.”

Zilversmidt said she came to demonstrate because the veto “gives Israel more time to think we can keep doing whatever we want, that it doesn’t matter what the world thinks because we have this big friend the US supporting us.”...

[Ronnie] Barkan called the veto “just a continuation of the same policies of the US, which are going against the consensus of world opinion and civil society protests against Israeli actions. The veto clearly shows how utterly complicit the US is in funding and supporting Israeli crimes and shows again that Israeli apartheid is an American-Israeli project.”

Ocean
02-19-2011, 09:16 PM
Protest at the US Embassy (http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=208943)against the 14-1 UN Security Council draft resolution against the Settlements.

Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! It still hurts!