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johnmarzan
01-10-2011, 01:35 AM
i'd love to get inside and see how message coordination is being done on AZ shooting from leader @markos to pin blame on Sarah Palin and Tea Partiers.

(has the former Journolist gang regrouped under a new name?)

bjkeefe
01-10-2011, 02:07 AM
i'd love to get inside and see how message coordination is being done on AZ shooting from leader @markos to pin blame on Sarah Palin and Tea Partiers.

(has the former Journolist gang regrouped under a new name?)

You really think it takes any sort of seekrit coordination to come to the obvious conclusions?

I remind you that even your humble servant was able to see the problems of the violent rhetoric being pounded out by St. Sarah (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showpost.php?p=155831&postcount=11) and other prominent conservatives and Republicans (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?t=5064) at the time it was being blared out for the mouth-breathers to soak up. That was noted here and (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2010/08/more-wingnut-hate-noted-for-record.html) elsewhere (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2009/10/fat-kid-and-his-metaphors-of-physical.html).

johnmarzan
01-10-2011, 03:18 AM
http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showpost.php?p=155831&postcount=11.

you're just as crazy as Loughner.

bjkeefe
01-10-2011, 03:42 AM
you're just as crazy as Loughner.

Easy enough to say.

Now for the challenge: Can you back that up with any sort of evidence or argument?

johnmarzan
01-10-2011, 03:52 AM
Easy enough to say.

Now for the challenge: Can you back that up with any sort of evidence or argument?

that you and the lefty media are willing to link sarah palin to the giffords shooting. are you CRAZY, or what?

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/is_daily_kos_to_blame_for_giff.html

johnmarzan
01-10-2011, 03:59 AM
I predict a Sister Souljah triangulation moment for Obama when he tells batshit crazy leftwingers to stop politicizing Giffords shooting

johnmarzan
01-10-2011, 07:47 AM
from the brilliant ann althouse:

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/01/theres-climate-of-hate-out-there-all.html

This attempt to connect Sarah Palin to the shooting is one of the most ridiculous and despicable political arguments I have ever seen.

bjkeefe
01-10-2011, 12:40 PM
that you and the lefty media ...

Look, johnny. If you're going to tell me ...

you're just as crazy as Loughner.

... then don't start wandering off into some vague muttering about teh media. Either make your case or admit you don't have one.

And be advised that mischaracterizing my views on the connection between Palin and the shooting in Arizona will only make you look weaker. Nowhere have I said she's directly responsible. My view is that she has contributed, significantly, to a poisonous climate. I also believe she's aware of that, as the initial attempt to scrub her Facebook site, and the later comical "surveyor's symbols (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2011/01/worst-political-spin-ever.html)" spin showed.

Here's an excerpt of what I said about it elsewhere (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2011/01/calm-down-overheated-rhetoric-about.html):

Can we blame an individual act by some loon on a specific statement by a specific prominent conservative blowhard? Probably not, not any more than we can attribute a single nasty storm to anthropogenic global warming. But, as with AGW, there is something we can say with confidence -- muck with the climate (http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2011/01/08/these-are-not-the-violent-extremists-you-are-looking-for/), and you increase the odds that extreme events will happen.

The frantic attempts by people like you to deny and deflect indicates to me that deep down, you share something of this view.

operative
01-10-2011, 10:36 PM
I predict a Sister Souljah triangulation moment for Obama when he tells batshit crazy leftwingers to stop politicizing Giffords shooting

That would be wonderful and I would give him some major props. The behavior of the Kos crowd has been thoroughly disgusting. They have no decency.

badhatharry
01-10-2011, 11:46 PM
That would be wonderful and I would give him some major props. The behavior of the Kos crowd has been thoroughly disgusting. They have no decency.

Can you imagine Olbermann's reaction? His head would explode, again.

sorry for the violent rhetoric.

johnmarzan
01-11-2011, 02:13 AM
hmmm... michelle goldberg, the girl who wants cheney dead, is one of the founders of Journolist 2.0 called "Cabalist"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/onmedia/0710/Journolist_20.html

The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg reports the existence of "Cabalist," a new email listserv of 170+ members (JournoList was around 400), including many veterans of JournoList.

The list was created by The New Republic's Jon Cohn, Michelle Goldberg (no relation) and Steven Teles.

i guarantee you the next big scandal is when somebody leaks the contents of it's site on how they the leftwing media message coordinated the Giffords shooting to target palin and the tea partiers.

(i wonder if spencer ackerman is a member of the Cabalist.)

EDIT: the violent rhetoric of journolisters

http://www.chequerboard.org/2011/01/joseph-welch-thou-shouldst-be-living-at-this-hour-journolist-edition/

recent bhtv talker mark schmitt was also a member of journolist.

johnmarzan
01-11-2011, 02:18 AM
if they're smart, they should be leaving posts about how "we should not prejudge" just in case their site is hacked.

popcorn_karate
01-12-2011, 05:29 PM
if they're smart, they should be leaving posts about how "we should not prejudge" just in case their site is hacked.

why? batshit crazy wingnuts like you and badhat have a worldview that is impervious to contradictory evidence.

to the rest of us, cabalist and journolist are pretty much a yawn.

operative
01-12-2011, 07:36 PM
hmmm... michelle goldberg, the girl who wants cheney dead, is one of the founders of Journolist 2.0 called "Cabalist"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/onmedia/0710/Journolist_20.html



i guarantee you the next big scandal is when somebody leaks the contents of it's site on how they the leftwing media message coordinated the Giffords shooting to target palin and the tea partiers.

(i wonder if spencer ackerman is a member of the Cabalist.)

EDIT: the violent rhetoric of journolisters

http://www.chequerboard.org/2011/01/joseph-welch-thou-shouldst-be-living-at-this-hour-journolist-edition/

recent bhtv talker mark schmitt was also a member of journolist.

Figures. Goldberg is an unintelligent dope (and a hateful jerk) and needs to be fed talking points by others in order to provide anything remotely readable.

Ocean
01-12-2011, 08:51 PM
Figures. Goldberg is an unintelligent dope (and a hateful jerk) and needs to be fed talking points by others in order to provide anything remotely readable.

Are you referring to Jonah?

operative
01-12-2011, 09:05 PM
Are you referring to Jonah?

Nope. Jonah hasn't publically longed for the death of a major Democrat (or minor one, for that matter), nor has he gotten basic facts wrong (as MG did in her most recent diavlog). Nor is he starting a circlejerk echochamber to coordinate talking points/spread violent fantasies directed against ideological opponents :o

Ocean
01-12-2011, 09:12 PM
Nope. Jonah hasn't publically longed for the death of a major Democrat (or minor one, for that matter), nor has he gotten basic facts wrong (as MG did in her most recent diavlog). Nor is he starting a circlejerk echochamber to coordinate talking points/spread violent fantasies directed against ideological opponents :o

It's clear that you don't like Michelle. But do you seriously think she's anything close to an unintelligent dope?

I think she is among the smartest BhTV women.

operative
01-12-2011, 09:22 PM
It's clear that you don't like Michelle. But do you seriously think she's anything close to an unintelligent dope?

I really do. BH has plenty of intelligent women, including some on the left (eg Eve Fairbanks). She's just not one of them. I've never been impressed by her analysis, and I think she regularly substitutes bile and (not terribly clever) snark for actual insight. In other words, I think she's a female Kos. Megan McArdle handled her rather easily.

Ocean
01-12-2011, 10:24 PM
I really do. BH has plenty of intelligent women, including some on the left (eg Eve Fairbanks). She's just not one of them. I've never been impressed by her analysis, and I think she regularly substitutes bile and (not terribly clever) snark for actual insight. In other words, I think she's a female Kos. Megan McArdle handled her rather easily.

Megan McArdle? No doubt, to each his (or her) own.

bjkeefe
01-13-2011, 02:20 AM
Nope. Jonah hasn't publically longed for the death of a major Democrat (or minor one, for that matter), ...

Pretty close (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/10/29/murder-he-wrote-2/).

... nor has he gotten basic facts wrong ...

Also not true (e.g. (http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/20/jonah-goldberg-asks-a-question/), e.g. (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908240010), e.g. (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_07/019157.php), e.g. (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201011230026), e.g. (http://open.salon.com/blog/myles_spicer/2011/01/12/the_perversion_of_a_tragedy), e.g. (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005180029), e.g. (http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9932.html), e.g. (http://mediamatters.org/research/200803110010), etc. (http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aalicublog.blogspot.com+stupidest+t hing+ever+written)).

Nor is he starting a circlejerk echochamber to coordinate talking points/spread violent fantasies directed against ideological opponents :o

Correct. Jonah Goldberg did not start The Corner.

operative
01-13-2011, 10:12 AM
Pretty close (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/10/29/murder-he-wrote-2/).

Assange isn't a domestic political adversary, he is a foreign cyberterrorist attempting to destabilize the US, and putting the lives of Americans, Afghanis, etc. in peril in the process. Attempting to equate that with Michelle Goldberg's "DIE, DICK CHENEY, DIE" moment would be like me equating Sharon Angle's moment of stupidity with Barack Obama's increased use of targeted assassination.



Correct. Jonah Goldberg did not start The Corner.

Ok, find Cornerites spreading violent fantasies about Democrats. Go go go.

bjkeefe
01-13-2011, 04:42 PM
... Michelle Goldberg's "DIE, DICK CHENEY, DIE" moment ...

That never happened. I will not discuss anything with you until you stop lying.

operative
01-13-2011, 07:00 PM
That never happened. I will not discuss anything with you until you stop lying.

You can make believe all you want to but Michelle Goldberg is on record expressing glee at the thought of Dick Cheney's death. Of course, that's not quite as bad as Kos' open celebration of the death of civilian contractors in Iraq.

bjkeefe
01-14-2011, 12:34 AM
[...]

You lied and you got called on it. Backpedaling is an insufficient admission, given everything else you have to account for. Your response will therefore not otherwise be addressed.

graz
01-14-2011, 01:09 AM
You lied and you got called on it. Backpedaling is an insufficient admission ...

He's a liar, an authoritarian and a narcissist. It's just a random shuffle for which trait or combo exhibit at any given time.

operative
01-14-2011, 01:16 AM
You lied and you got called on it. Backpedaling is an insufficient admission, given everything else you have to account for. Your response will therefore not otherwise be addressed.

No, I did not lie. Unlike you.